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Is there any difference between Shoulder & Military Press?
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silver_shadow
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there are different definitions for military press going around. in any case, the best presses are the ones which have you move the maximum amount of weight possible. and those would be flat bench and push presses (both behind the neck as well as in front). add dips and food - that's the perfect recipe for weight gain!
I always thought shoulder press was an umbrella term for a few different over head pressing movement, whereas, military press had to be done with a barbell while standing (I didn’t know foot spacing made any difference).
Just out of interest when does a ‘push press’ become a ‘jerk’?
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GT
Just out of interest when does a ‘push press’ become a ‘jerk’?
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GT
A push press is when you are doing a standing OHP, & instead of just pressing the weight up, you drop down & bend your knees a little bit. As you snap back up, you use the upward momentum to help get the weight off the shoulders & up. IMO it's good for doing negatives, 'cause you can go slightly heavier, than OHP, then lower the weight under tensiion.gtjacko said:
I’ve been focusing on the push press for a little while now… I bend my legs and explode the weight up, but recently as the weight had been getting high (for me that is), I’ve put in a second bend in the knees as the weight is on the way up, so I’m dropping under it and catching the weight at the top… I was wondering if I’m venturing into ‘jerk’ territory?
Either way, I’m loving the movement, and managed a PB the other day of my bodyweight (90kgs), pretty chuffed with that. Cant wait till I’m putting 2 plates aside over head!!
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GT
Either way, I’m loving the movement, and managed a PB the other day of my bodyweight (90kgs), pretty chuffed with that. Cant wait till I’m putting 2 plates aside over head!!
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GT
TomoUK
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gtjacko said:
Yeah a push or power-jerk involves re-bending the legs to recieve the bar lower and then standing up with it, so it does sound like your doing that, although obviously for it to be jerk the bar has to go straight from the shoulder to lock out without any pressing. you can see the different exercises demontrated here
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html
deathdroprob
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I do seated DB press with my back againts the bench bar with hand rotation. And later in the routine I also do the same but with a barbbell and put a rake across the bench to lean on hahaha. I do my shoulders in my shed on saturdays abut the rest at the gym. Can youse tell me excatly these excerisses are?
Inhibitor13
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Try doing a bradford press...I tried it and love it !
al420
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Smurfy said:
Sillyness. BTN work done w/ a barbell is just fine. The bar starts where you squat, and ends in a snatch. If you go to narrow I could see how a shoulder could get aggrevated, but that is just doing them improperly.
Doing BTN work on a Smith on the other hand is a recipe for disaster IMO.
BTW - I have had RC issues on both shoulders and BTN work does not bother them in the slightest. Flat Bench is the worst, but going CG makes them just fine. SO, WG BTN's and CG FLats for me.
I also prefer the Jerk over any other pressing movement. It is BY FAR the hardest press for me to execute properly, and I would only be doing those w/ bumbers.
Putting silly amounts of weight overhead is just cool.
silver_shadow
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yep! my gym has a number of mirrors and when i've locked out an OHP i get a chance to see myself in the mirror... kind of vain but a nice feelingal420 said:Putting silly amounts of weight overhead is just cool.
Protobuilder
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al420 said:
+1
Flat bench can be a real shoulder wrecker, but maybe that just means people are doing it "wrong" (e.g., elbows not tucked, upper back not tight, etc.). I just stay away from it now too and do nothing but close-grip work or board presses.
IMHO, a person should be able to do BTN presses. Caution is required and it's not something you want to just jump right into. But you should have the shoulder flexibilty to do it. And if not, you need to work on it. Hell, many people can't even lock out a normal military press behind their head b/c their shoulder girdle is so fucked. Every healthy male should have the flexibility to lock out in teh snatch position. If you can do that, you can do BTN presses.
if you're really worried about it, do a bit of a push press to get out of the very bottom part of the ROM, but press the rest of the way.
Kabeetz
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And if you CAN'T do that stuff... you need to make it a priority to do it right and THEN add weight... instead of learning the movement sloppily. It really doesn't take more than a few weeks to get your body in line for anything.
I had trouble with my heels lifting when I started squatting, so I improved my hamstring flexibility.. I had trouble with keeping elbows out in rack position with the power cleans, I'm working on my wrist flexibility... etc.
There should be no "I can't" so therefor "I won't"
I had trouble with my heels lifting when I started squatting, so I improved my hamstring flexibility.. I had trouble with keeping elbows out in rack position with the power cleans, I'm working on my wrist flexibility... etc.
There should be no "I can't" so therefor "I won't"
Protobuilder
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There are still a lot of people (including some knowledgeable & well-respected trainers) who say "don't press BTN!!" I don't really see it as any diff't than saying "don't squat past parallel!" yeah you can fuck yourself up, as you can with any lift, if you do it sloppy or go past your limit. I guess maybe the risk is greater than the reward to them. A fucked rotator cuff is no laughing matter, so I could see avoiding BTN work, when front presses are about the same movement, just w/ less risk. Still though, personally, I think w/ good flexibility and attention to form, you SHOULD be able to do a full BTN press, push press, jerk, snatch lockout, etc., without any problem. Same way as you SHOULD be able to sink into a deep squat position w/out falling over, roudning your back, etc. And if you can't, you need to work on it. Eventually everyone can do it.
I believe that the only real medical issue with BTN springs from using those seated overhead press stations which have a single pre-fixed angle. Unracking the weights often causes you to move in an awkward fashion.
I've always found it to be uncomfortable in any case and always use a rack.
One way to attack a flexability problem may be to start off using a snatch grip- hands placed about 6" from the ends of the bar. As you get used to pressing this way you can start sneaking them in a few inches at a time.
I've always found it to be uncomfortable in any case and always use a rack.
One way to attack a flexability problem may be to start off using a snatch grip- hands placed about 6" from the ends of the bar. As you get used to pressing this way you can start sneaking them in a few inches at a time.
Synpax
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Going to share a thought that may be contrary.
The purpose here is to build shoulders.
The best excercise for this, and one that builds a lot of stabalizing muscles as well, is the standing DB shoulder press.
Each shoulder will be working harder and you will also build a lot of balancing muscles.
Unlike normal barbell bench work where the tension between the hands gets worked by the pecs, you don't have a similar muscle benefiting from the tension between our hands on the barbell.
Forget the military press, forget the amount of weight you 'loose' by switching to DB. And unless you have a back issue, standup.
The purpose here is to build shoulders.
The best excercise for this, and one that builds a lot of stabalizing muscles as well, is the standing DB shoulder press.
Each shoulder will be working harder and you will also build a lot of balancing muscles.
Unlike normal barbell bench work where the tension between the hands gets worked by the pecs, you don't have a similar muscle benefiting from the tension between our hands on the barbell.
Forget the military press, forget the amount of weight you 'loose' by switching to DB. And unless you have a back issue, standup.
s8nlilhlpr
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Synpax said:
If you are worried about 'bb-looks' then i suppose this is a good idea. From my standpoint, DB's are very hard to progress on. Most gyms only go up by 5 at a time, so 10lbs total. Barbell I can add 1lb at a time. And for strength/power, the more weight lifted the better, stabilizer muscles are still used to press the weight overhead and keep it balanced.
Its good to use both, but I HIGHLY favor standing barbell press's for people interested in moving more weight, or oly training.
