Is Serostim good for bodybuilding?

[Segundus]

I've used Zomacton HGH before along with a Sustanon/Primobolan cycle which yielded great results. However, I am looking to try it again but the only growth-hormone I can get my hands on is Serostim. I've read an article a while back that said that Serostim is not good for building lean muscle mass while working out. Also, that it is missing an amino acid or some kind of chemical that keeps the hgh good for more then a day after reconstitution. I hear so many conflicting views about Serostim, what is right? Is Serostim a good hgh to use with a steroid cycle? And if so, what amounts of Serostim should be used and when? I heard 4iu to 8iu a day, but broken up into 2 shots (one in the morning and one at night). What about right before working out? Would that be a good time to shoot the hgh? I will definitely be using Sustanon 250 with my next stack, so I'd like to know what everyone thinks is the best way to go. Serostim HGH + Sustanon 250 + Primbolan = Good Stack? I'm naturally tall and lean (6'3" & 195 lbs, 4-6% body fat) but I am looking to get bulkier while keeping as much of the rippedness as possible. Any advice on Serostim with a Sustanon/Primobolan cycle would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

-Seg

 

[Stew Meat]

Bro, GH is way overated.



-Stew

 

[Segundus]

Who has used Serostim before?

GH may be overrated, but I still got some great gains from it which I have not lost. Gains which I normally am unable to keep from just steroids. So I have the money and I still plan on doing another GH + Steroid cycle. However, I'd like to hear back from someone who's used not only GH but Serostim GH. I can get just about any type of GH I want, but Serostim is the cheapest full kit. So anyone here used it before with steroids who can tell me whether or not they had gains related to the use of GH? Thanks!

-Seg

 

[M.O.D]

i love the stuff (GH)..i did a lot of genotropin last year with minimal gains...problem was i didnt stack it with anything....30 days into this cycle of gh with test and tren i have made incredible gains...

from 220 to 240.....my abs looked like a KEG..i could grab a hand full of fat around my belly....now i have a 4 pack and im pinching very little fat....

 

[Jae]

I used Serostim last fall at 4ius per day and had GREAT - FANTASTIC - KICK ASS results. Very good. Get enough for me and mail it to me.

 

[Jae]

P.S. I think the reason that GH is overated is because people take minimum amounts for 6-8 weeks and expect unrealistic gains. It is not magic, but a damn good enhancer.

Of course, you are not going to get out of a bottle what God didn't give you in the first place.

 

[Segundus]

What steroid cycle with Serostim?

Ok, so I've heard some good things about Serostim from you guys in here, which is greatly appreciated! Now I need to determine what cycle is best. I'll be using Sustanon 250 and Primobolan for sure. So, in a 126 iu Serostim kit at 4iu's a day means a total of about 31 shots. Now, should someone stacking steroids with the GH take a shot of Serostim everyday? Or maybe 5 out of 7 days a week? What's the shooting schedule for GH, with someone bodybuilding who's looking for optimal muscle gain as the desired outcome? I'm not really worried about losing fat since I'm already pretty lean. However, I do want to get as ripped as possible, but my main concern is bulk muscle which I won't lose as easily without the GH. And any ideas on what cycle schedule I should use with the Sustanon and Primobolan? I heard Sustanon cycles should last at least 10 weeks. Any help from the big guys or pro's is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

-Seg

 

[Krusher]

You'll need 2 kits bro..4-6iu's daily divided in 2 shots for about 12 weeks..5 days on/2 off. Stack it with high androgens and orals..sust and fina would be my choice..run the sust at about a gram/wk for the first 8-10 weeks then add 75mg/day of fina to the last 4-6 weeks of the cycle..To get the full benefit of gh you may wish to consider slin..but do your homework on it before deciding..you may need to have some arimidex on hand.

I'm in my first gh cycle as we speak and am likinmg it so far but patience is required..I'm using the serotism, it's good stuff.

 

[M.O.D]

i go 6 days on one day off....2 iu's as soon as my eyes open and 2 right before they close at night....


are you going to use arimidex or nolvadex?



im using nolv but thinking about trying ari after hearing good things about here and what i have read up on it...

 

[Segundus]

Serostim, Sustanon & Primobolan...

I'm not going to use Arimadex or Nolvadex, just Proviron. I've done a lot of research over the past couple years about roids and what they do, but my knowledge on what cycle schedule I should use is not very vast. So thats why I'm asking to see who's done what and gotten the best results. The reason I am going to use just Proviron is because I am naturally thin. I graduated highschool at 6'3", 150 lbs! LOL! I managed to get up to 220 lbs last year, but after losing my great job I've been unable to support my diet, steroids, and gym membership. Not to mention I was focusing on school. So I dropped down to about 195-200 lbs. It was a very slow drop. It's all because of slacking off over the past year. So I am going to take a month to get back into it, then start up.

-Seg

 

[Stew Meat]

Bro, GH is way overated.



-Stew

Just to let you know that GH is NOT what you think it is, and to show that I'm not just talking out of my ass...


"Serostim does increase lean body mass. Don't assume that lean body mass means muscle. Several studies indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival."



"Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men." Yarasheski KE; Campbell JA; Smith K; Rennie MJ; Holloszy JO; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 262(3 Pt 1):E261-7 1992 Mar

2. Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth and strength in older men. Yarasheski KE; Zachwieja JJ; Campbell JA; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 268(2 Pt 1):E268-76 1995 Feb

In this study there was also a lack of effect on muscle tissue, but in older men who lifted weights. The authors said: "The greater increase in fat free mass (FFM) with GH treatment may have been due to an increase in noncontractile protein and fluid retention." Note that "contractile protein" tissue is muscle, so "noncontractile" tissue could mean connective tissue like ligaments, or organs like kidneys.


3. Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength. Yarasheski KE. Exerc Sport Sci Rev, 22():285-312 1994

In this one the author said, "On the basis of the similar increases in muscle protein synthesis, muscle cross-sectional area, and muscle strength observed in placebo and GH-treated exercising young adults, it is doubtful that the nitrogen retention associated with daily GH treatment results in an increase in contractile protein, improved muscle function, strength and athletic performance."




-Stew

 

[Stew Meat]

If you want to pay thousands of dollars for gyno, organ enlargement, brain tumors, migranes, irreversable disfigurement, and God knows what other long term damages, then by all means, go ahead. But I say GROWTH HHORMONE IS OVERATED.



-Stew

 

[M.O.D]

i disagree..30 days ago i could pull about 8 inches of fat from my lower abs.,....now i pull about 2 inches or less....and i doubt its from the tren or androgel becasue i just added both those 7 days ago

 

[Segundus]

Serostim, Sustanon & Primobolan...

Well, that's your opinion but I have used GH before with great results (Zomacton). Before I used GH I did two cycles of steroids. First an oral steroid cycle then the next was an injectable steroid cycle. Due to my lack of knowledge, I lost all my 2nd cycle gains. So with my third I did the same steroids but added growth hormone. I gained twice as much weight, and it stayed on! Even after slacking off the past year, not eating right, not lifting, not juicing I am still keeping the majority of my gains. How can growth be overrated if I lost all my first gains from slacking off the first time, but then after adding growth to my next cycle I've managed to keep the majority of my gains even with slacking off. I say growth is definitely worth it, and either way I don't really care because I see the results I want with it. Whether the growth adds minimal results or major, I still get where I want a keep it. And that's what's important to me. And no more slacking off for me since I am living at home again and don't need to worry about bills! LOL!

-Seg

 

[M.O.D]

first of all ALL the top PROS are on GH and.shit just look at their jaws..yeah they are doing a shit load but to say it doesnt work is not true....or at least it has for me

 

[Stew Meat]

Yes, you can make good gains from Serostim, but THAT WEIGHT GAIN IS NOT MUSCLE TISSUE. Pros use it as a fat burner... that is, the ones who do. The evidence provided above is irrefutable and conclusive. Just like I wouldn't gain muscle from eating a turd, you won't gain muscle from using Serostim. To say, "growth hormone worked miracles for me in gaining muscle" is saying "I'm a sucker everytime for the placebo effect."




-Stew

 

[M.O.D]

stew is this your opinion on all gh or just serostim...what about humatrope

 

[Segundus]

Why did I get the best gains then?

I'm not sure about Serostim, but isn't all GH the same since it's the same 191 amino acid chain? I know Serostim is missing a preservative called m-Cresol. But I don't think that effects it's outcome when used. So why is it that I got the best gains from using GH with Steroids? I worked out just as hard, ate the same amount, and slept the same amount. Nothing changed except for the additional of GH. I know what it's like to get massive gains from roids, and then gains with roids and GH together. And my body was just harder, stronger, bigger and more ripped with the GH additional, and I haven't lost the ripped look. So if Serostim is really useless, why is everyone I know using it? And why do they all look better then the guys I see using just roids?

-Seg

 

[e-man]

I know a few guys that have done GH and they all had the same results, i.e. lost fat. They stacked the GH with juice so in fact they look like they gained more lean mass from the GH, but it was the juice that gave them the muscle/strength gains. GH gave them mostly fat reduction.
I have read a lot on GH they all say that GH alone is not enough, you have to use juice with it. The big question is what's happening with their internal organs, i.e. are they getting larger, damaged, etc..

Question:
Why would you use GH if you have not maximized your juice gains?? Once you start using GH then you cannot go back to just roids!

 

[Stew Meat]

stew is this your opinion on all gh or just serostim...what about humatrope

Just serostim... that's probalby why it is so cheap. However, all GH is way overated and will lead to very minimal additions as far as muscle gains.



-Stew

 

[Stew Meat]

Re: Why did I get the best gains then?

I'm not sure about Serostim, but isn't all GH the same since it's the same 191 amino acid chain? I know Serostim is missing a preservative called m-Cresol. But I don't think that effects it's outcome when used. So why is it that I got the best gains from using GH with Steroids? I worked out just as hard, ate the same amount, and slept the same amount. Nothing changed except for the additional of GH. I know what it's like to get massive gains from roids, and then gains with roids and GH together. And my body was just harder, stronger, bigger and more ripped with the GH additional, and I haven't lost the ripped look. So if Serostim is really useless, why is everyone I know using it? And why do they all look better then the guys I see using just roids?

-Seg

GH is great for fat loss.



-Stew