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is it possible to get real clean gains quick?

liftingfreak

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i am 20 years old about 6'1" 190lbs and ive always been really skinny and lean. i just started a new diet of eating almost 400 grams of protein a day and keeping the carbs real low and no carbs after 6PM. i was told that its pretty much impossible to get clean muscle gains in a quick amount of time.....im not looking to bulk thats why im asking......
 
liftingfreak said:
ive heard that but ive noticed that i have lost fat around my mid-section since i have been on this diet......?

How many carbs and fats are you eating along with the 400g pro?
 
400g of protein is only 2000 calories. Assuming someone has a BMR of about 3000 calories, then combined with the energy expendature of workouts you may burn another 300. That leaves 1300 calories from carbs and fats. Then of course to gain some weight you're gonna have to go over this number. He's already said he's always been lean and skinny so I doubt he's even eating enough to gain by what he's said so far.

This sounds a bit like DC's diet plan which many seem to be having great success on. Down double your weight in protein(better to get more protein than needed and waste it than to get less and possibly slow muscle gain. Pro also has high TEF so it's safer to get extra calories from it versus carbs or fat), eat it first in every meal and then fulfill the rest of your hunger with some fat and protein, preferably of the good kind. If you eat 6 meals a day thats 60-70 grams of protein per meal... If a good portion of that comes from real food then it will go a long way towards filling you up. That's about 8oz of cooked lean steak per meal, or 10oz of chicken breast, etc... If you pound down an 8oz steak then you probably won't have as much room to eat an overabundance of good carbs. Perhaps for one or two meals you may, but 6 times a day? In fact for ectomorphs that simply don't have enough hunger or require massive calories to gain weight he advices for you to not eat clean so long as you get in your protein first. He also advices downing olive oil with protein shakes for extra calories.

The answer to his question is yes you can get some good clean gains in short order if you can put down enough food/protein and stimulate your muscles enough and be consistant about all of it. If you're an ectomorph it may be slower than a mesomorph, though most likely you'll be able to stay leaner doing it. Personally I can pack on muscle pretty quickly, it's keeping fat at bay that is the challenge. As I'm an open minded guy I am going to be giving DC's methods a try very soon and hope to see good results. Based on his theories which I belive to hold water, and on the success of many others I think it's a valid method.

At any rate if he is getting leaner while doing what he's doing I'd definately say he should keep it up. Who are we to tell him it's wrong if it's working? If he gets no muscle gain after a week or so then he should simply up his calories until the scale moves.
 
last 7 wks, i've been consuming about 215 g protein/day and eating pretty clean... Also eq, but put on 6 lbs of lean muscle mass.... went from 183 lbs to 189 lbs at 6'0
 
vageta,
i have been doing DC's routine in the gym as well as his theory of high protein intake. the routine is the most intense workout i have ever experienced but i havent really put on any good pounds from it.....i have been doing it for about a month.....maybe i need to keep eating clean, up my calories, and keep my protein high......?
 
I'd say due to your build that you probably simply need to take in more calories. Also if you seem to be naturally lean I'd say that you don't have to eat so cleanly, in fact it may benefit you not to eat clean all of the time. The protein requirement itself is not enough to guarantee growth, you basically have to increase calorie intake until you see the scale start to move. It may be hard for you to get enough calories in while eating clean so as I said go for some higher calorie foods in a few meals and see what the scale says. DC recommends adding olive oil to protein shakes for ectomorphs(which you probably are).

Basic rule is if you aren't gaining weight then you aren't eating enough. Since you're getting that much protein just increase the carbs and fats but still follow the 6pm cutoff rules.
 
ya i ocassionly add some extra virgin olive oil to my protein shakes but its hard cause i read that you shouldn't mix your EFA's with your carbs (which i eat during the day), and i dont drink shakes at night cause i usually mix them with milk and i dont take it carbs at night.....so i sometimes mix the olive oil with tuna at night....
 
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