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captainahole
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absolutely.
YOu have entered into the 1/4 ton club. congrats
YOu have entered into the 1/4 ton club. congrats
it puts things into perspective doesnt it. thats why i gave up on pl'ing a few years ago and switched to bb'ing. i couldnt hit the 650lb dl to save my life. but i am able to hold some size. so i turned into one of the guys i used to laugh at.
I think Amy Weisberger pulled 500 at 148 last year...but there is only 1 Amy 
Laura Phelps-Sweatt recently competed and did a 745 squat, 500 bench, and 525 deadlift in the 181 class as well.
Always remember that YOU have to be happy. Man, you have accomplished a 510 deadlift, nobody can take it away from you!!!
Laura Phelps-Sweatt recently competed and did a 745 squat, 500 bench, and 525 deadlift in the 181 class as well.
Always remember that YOU have to be happy. Man, you have accomplished a 510 deadlift, nobody can take it away from you!!!
djeclipse
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I think Amy Weisberger pulled 500 at 148 last year...but there is only 1 Amy
Laura Phelps-Sweatt recently competed and did a 745 squat, 500 bench, and 525 deadlift in the 181 class as well.
Always remember that YOU have to be happy. Man, you have accomplished a 510 deadlift, nobody can take it away from you!!!
She is not even breaking parallel with those squats, how do they pass in competition? Power lifting has become a joke.
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Big_BK
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I was thinking the same thing just along the lines that her stance is so fucking side its like a 1/8th squat. Anyone can do that with a fucking suit and wraps.
djeclipse
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ya, powerlifting has such potential to be a great world wide sport, but they are so laxed about what passes for an actual lift these days it's truly become a joke.
Her squat travel was probably 6-8". That's not a squat, it's a 1/4 squat at best.
You know the sport is bad when new "federations" are starting every other day with rule changes that make the lifts easier and easier.
I'll pass that along to Laura.
Till then...suit and wrap up and do it yourself.
Jeeze...the embarassment is the people sitting behind a keyboard who have never unracked a weight NEAR that, much less as a WOMAN.
You ever worn an Inzer Canvas Suit? Know what kind of wraps she has on?
Did she hit "depth" on those lifts...yes she did. She got 3 white lights!
Can't wait to see you suit up man. I hope nobody gives you a single compliment for squatting 4.1x your bodyweight, benching 2.7x your bodyweight, and deadlifting 2.9x your bodyweight.
djeclipse
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Sure she got 3 white light's, but that is the problem. The rules are so far gone that she wasn't even at parallel (regardless of the wide stance) and it still passes as a lift.
I am not taking anything away form her or the lifts. She has nothing to do with the rules, only follows them and lifts accordingly. I am saying that the rules as to what qualifies as a lift these days are a joke.
Soon we'll be seeing 1500 walk outs counted as a full squat.
i was thinking the same thing...those are squats?? her legs are almost in the splits and she moves maybe 5 inches? wow
still impressive lifts...but mind boggling those are "squats"
bblazer
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510 is a very good DL. Especially from (and this is not an insult in any way, just noting a training difference) a BBer.
I think if you work at it, you will be surprised how fast 600 will come. A lot of people seem to make the jump to 600 from the low 5's very quickly. Please note that information is purely anecdotal; I have nothing to back it up other than my observations, and conversations with others.
One BBer I know changed from conventional to sumo once he hit 520 just to change things up and work different muscles. He had to drop weight but in a few months had it back up to his conventional numbers. I asked him if he feel that it helped, and he said it did, but never really quantified what exactly was helped, and not being a BBer I would have no idea.
Not to take the wind out of your sails, but I work out with a 17 year old 168 who pulls 630. I only mention that for the sake of it. Your 510 is still something to be proud of.
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I think if you work at it, you will be surprised how fast 600 will come. A lot of people seem to make the jump to 600 from the low 5's very quickly. Please note that information is purely anecdotal; I have nothing to back it up other than my observations, and conversations with others.
One BBer I know changed from conventional to sumo once he hit 520 just to change things up and work different muscles. He had to drop weight but in a few months had it back up to his conventional numbers. I asked him if he feel that it helped, and he said it did, but never really quantified what exactly was helped, and not being a BBer I would have no idea.
Not to take the wind out of your sails, but I work out with a 17 year old 168 who pulls 630. I only mention that for the sake of it. Your 510 is still something to be proud of.
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i cant compare with the freaks. that kid must be freaky. i used to train a ton of teenage athletes and a few were freaks. i can believe your numberss as ive seen similar and its crazy.
I wouldn't worry about it. I weigh 223lbs(mostly fat, only been deadlifting for about 3 months now) and I when I deadlift 225 for 5x5's I scream/grunt like I'm pulling 1000+. Everyone looks at me weird, but it doesn't matter because it's heavy for me. Your 510 is freaken awesome. I couldn't imagine pulling that any time soon.
Taken from a video camera. Anyone who knows anything about powerlifting, knows that you can NOT judge depth from any video unless it is set up at the judges head.
This one looks "borderline" as her legs are freaking huge in size and you can NOT see the crease in her hip (she also has a woman's hips) since it is not from the judge's perspective.
This one looks "borderline" as her legs are freaking huge in size and you can NOT see the crease in her hip (she also has a woman's hips) since it is not from the judge's perspective.
djeclipse
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No matter how much you can lift, no matter how fast you can run, no matter how good you are at what you are doing there will always be someone that can do it better, even if it is just a little bit better.
The key is to worry about your own lifts, your own personal goals and new Pr's.
That is an AMAZING way to put it!!!
And even when some of the World's Best step off the platform...they immediately start thinking about what they want to do next!
djeclipse
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Cheers
Too many people get caught up in what everyone else is lifting, what is a good amount of weight to be lifting etc.
If you go into the gym with the mindset that you want to be the one lifting the most weight you will always fail. There will always be that one guy that can simply lift more, no matter who you are. Why set yourself up to fail? Worry about your own PR's and focus on the success you've had to get there, lift for yourself not for anyone else.
I've always said some kid benching 135 for the first time in his life deserves just as much props for making a new PR as someone that just benched 405 or 500 for a new PR. Both are bench marks in said persons lifting life, the 405 or 500lbs is more impressive as not as many people can do it, but 135lbs for that kid is like 500lbs for the seasoned lifter. It's all relative.
lotta positivity in this thread. good bros. thanks again everybody.
funny, i was telling 1 guy who was with me when i did 510 that i always wanted to do 3 times my bodyweight but dont think its possible. he immediately cut me off and said dont fail before you even try. just train as hard as you can and see where it goes. great metality to have!
funny, i was telling 1 guy who was with me when i did 510 that i always wanted to do 3 times my bodyweight but dont think its possible. he immediately cut me off and said dont fail before you even try. just train as hard as you can and see where it goes. great metality to have!
billyawesome
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I think 510 is friggin awesome i weigh 212 and dl 475 for 3 reps and let me tell you i hardely even see anyone pull more than 315...people look at you like you are crazy once you get 4 plates on there ...everyone else stops doing what they were doing just to watch. I got the comment the other day "my back hurts just watching you" I cant wait to put the 5th on there 
although still wont be in 500 lb club yet
although still wont be in 500 lb club yet
I pulled a PR of 770 today...was pretty happy.
thats awesome! nice work.
letsrun4it
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to the OP 510 is very solid at any weight, I've never pulled that. that "chick" doesn't impress me at all...let me see her do a video of even 315 ass to the floor with no suit and I'll be very impressed.
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Big_BK
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I don't mean anything against her personally. I just think the rules are stupid if they are going to allow you to wrap up in shit that keeps you so tight it adds soooooooooooooo much weight to your lifts.
And saying that "anyone could do it..."
I think Amy Weisberger pulled 500 at 148 last year...but there is only 1 Amy
Laura Phelps-Sweatt recently competed and did a 745 squat, 500 bench, and 525 deadlift in the 181 class as well.
Always remember that YOU have to be happy. Man, you have accomplished a 510 deadlift, nobody can take it away from you!!!
So at what point of exogenous testosterone levels do you stop being classified as a woman?
The lack of respect given to any competitive athlete on this board reminds me why I left this board for a long time. I thought that things had changed. Clearly I am wrong.
And since she weighs less than you and can outlift you on all 3 lifts...why would one want to take the time to insult such an accomplished lifter when their time needs to be spent eating and training instead.
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Big_BK
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I will admit that was not the best wording. Surely not everyone can do that i was just trying to exaggerate how much the equipment helps is all. Sorry Bfold you know were bro's.
djeclipse
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I believe the comments (at least mine are), are more geared towards the powrlifting federations and not at her specific lifting.
She is only following the rules, it would be stupid to do any more then she has to, or to not wear any equipment the federation allows her to wear. To do anything else would only make it harder for herself and why would she want to do that? She didn't make the rules, only follows them.
Powerlifting could and should be a great sport, but it is pathetic the way these federations have butchered the lifts, allowed constantly decreasing depth and allowed people to use equipment just for the sake of big numbers.
Scotsman
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I will admit that was not the best wording. Surely not everyone can do that i was just trying to exaggerate how much the equipment helps is all. Sorry Bfold you know were bro's.
I'm going to have to quote Louie Simmons here:
"I've got a bottle of test and a bench shirt laying on the bench back there and I've yet to see it lift a pound."
Cheers,
Scotsman
It was a legit question scots.
djeclipse
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When I tore my achilies tendon and was in a cast for 3 month's the crutches didn't do jack shit on their own either... but they sure helped me walk around the house when I used them. Something I was unable to do to without them.
Scotsman
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Not in the training forum. If you wish to make backhanded insults via questions you will not post here.
If you wanted to ask a medical classification there is a med board. If you were looking for info on test levels there in an anabolics board.
Do we have an understanding?
Cheers,
Scotsman
Scotsman
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When I tore my achilies tendon and was in a cast for 3 month's the crutches didn't do jack shit on their own either... but they sure helped me walk around the house when I used them. Something I was unable to do to without them.
Yes because crutches like pl equipment are simply tools. They don't work the same for everyone. With use and practice you get more out of them. Stop and think about how well you got around with those crutches when you first got them and then after you had used them a while.
I just get sick of people saying "Well anyone can do that with all of that equipment". I know guys who get virtually nothing out of equipment and others who get tremendous help from the same gear. But anyone who realistically thinks that they'll gain X amount more on their lifts instantly from using equipment is a half wit.
I do agree that some of the federations have gone a bit overboard with the rules but that's why there are different feds so everyone can compete on their own terms. I also realize that the only way to get spectators is to push those numbers up. When I was at the Arnold classice there were probably 2,000 people gathered around to watch Mendelson try a 1,014lb bench. As soon as he bombed out over half the crowd left even though there were several other lifters left to go. Without crowds there is no sponsorship, without sponsorship there are no big meets, etc.
Cheers,
Scotsman
We absolutely do and I agree the training forum is for training.
But please do not put the words "competitive athlete" anywhere in here either. True competition requries that only genetics and skill determine the winner. Powerlifting absolutely does not have that.
My comment was meant in that way. Remove the equipment and the juice and then let's get some true competition.
drugs have been used in all professional athletics. why remove them from powerlifting? and these people dedicate their body, mind, and life to completing these feats of strength. as competitive as it gets really. who is stronger pound for pound? i would say these people are actually leaning more towards elite status than just athletes. athletes can be anyone, top of your sport, thats elite.
Scotsman
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Ok then remove the drugs from every other sport. And their equipment as well. So no football player has ever made it on anything but genetic talent, or baeball player, or soccer player, or hockey player, etc.?
So in your words no professional or top level amateur sport is true competition?
Don't make rediculous statements that are impossible to back up. It makes you look foolish and bitter. Because as you have stated once people actually started training for a competition true competition ended.
Cheers,
Scotsman
djeclipse
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ya, though I have and never will performance enhancing drugs, I say for sports, all and any sports let the athletes use what ever they want.
People want to see the big hits, they want to see people break records. Steroids saved baseball and the comity now has the audacity to try and persecute the very players that brought baseball back after the strike? Bunch of hypocrites.
And to Scotsman,
I am saying there has to be a line drawn somewhere as to how much "aid" you are getting when lifting. I just feel it has gone too far and powerlifting has lost a lot of respect as a sport. Soon they will be using that bionic suit to lift 5000lbs+ that the army developed, lol
I understand the big lifts bring in people and the sponsors, but at what cost? To most it is a joke now days. Which is truly sad because I would love to watch power lifting on tv, but it will never happen.
I'm not insulting the people, I 100% agree these people are athletes of the highest order. If I didn't think so then I myself wouldn't deadlift and squat and bench every week. I'm talking about the logic of competition.
If the playing field isn't even then how can you ever determine who is the best? It's the same reason you won't ever say barry bonds was a better hitter than Hank Aaron, because you don't know how much the steroids helped him or didn't. Maybe they had no effect at all, maybe they made him a worse hitter, the fact is you will never know.
Would you run any kind of science experiment without controls? The same holds true for competition. If you knew for a fact that powerlifter X took 1gram of test every week, and powerlifter Y took 1.5grams of test every week and they both had the same lift total, would you conclude that they were equal? Or would some place in your mind think that if powerlifter X had that extra 500mgs of test he would lift that one extra pound that the other guy could not?
Its just logic man, nothing else, I know these people only do what the rules say they can do and try to succeed within them, but its the rules that need to be changed for it to be considered true competition.
Scotsman
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Well the biggest and most respected PL division IPF is still a singleply poly only and tested federation. The USAPL which is the American affiliate follows those same rules. Since the collapse of the WPO due to financial reasons if you see powerlifting on tv it's either USAPL or IPF. They also still make you squat deep, hold a legitimate press, and do a full deadlift.
Hell the IPF banned just about half the elite Russian squad in the last year due to violations in out of comp testing proceedures.
Cheers,
Scotsman
510 EF dl lbs converted into RL lbs is about 225 with shitty forum
bastard!
bigdave2628
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My opinion only. If u wear a deadlift, squat or bench shirt that is not a true lift. I believe raw is the way to go.
artificialaspirations
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Raw numbers mean more to me too as it helps me compare apples to apples. There are so many suits, organizations, and regulations that it just confuses me. If I see someone do something raw, than I understand what work was involved.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for suits, I'm just not to that level, nor have I seen a double-ply, etc.
DaveTSI
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alot more than 90% of the men on this board... seriously
Clearly you are an experienced and accomplished lifter, so you must be aware of who Rickey Dale Crain is.
" RAW IS A PHENOMA OF THE PAST 5-10 YEARS....IT DID NOT EXIST BEFORE THAT.....
I AM NOT SURE WHAT HAS PROPAGATGED IT OTHER THNA GIVE SOME VERY AVERAGE OR BELOW AVERAGE LIFTERS A CHANCE TO WIN A TROPHY OR BREAK SOME RECORD THAT REALLY MEANS NOTHING.....
MOST LIFTERS THAT LIFTED IN THE 60'S AND 70'S WHO USED WHATEVER THEY COULD DREAM UP TO LIFT IN TO HELP THEIR NUMBERS AS WELL AS A SAFETY FACTOR......LIFTED WAY MORE THAN 99% OF TODAY'S SO CALLED RAW LIFTERS SO WHAT HAVE THEY ACCOMPLISHED??????
I SQUATTED 575 IN A SINGLET IN 1976 AT 147 POUNDS AT AGE 22....
I DARE SAY PROBABLY NO 148'ER TODAY COULD DO THAT......AND WITH IPF JUDGES LOOKING AT IT...BUT I WOULD BE FOOLISH INDEED NOT TO BELIEVE THAT IF I CONTINUED LIFTING IN THAT SINGLET FOR 35 PLUS YEARS I WOULD BE CRIPPLED FROM INJURIES BY THIS TIME...
Rickey Dale Crain"
if that's the case then a joosed up sonofabitch doesn't have true lifts.
he's cheating!!!
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