is a 510 pound deadlift respectable at ......

[Scotsman]

When I tore my achilies tendon and was in a cast for 3 month's the crutches didn't do jack shit on their own either... but they sure helped me walk around the house when I used them. Something I was unable to do to without them.

Yes because crutches like pl equipment are simply tools. They don't work the same for everyone. With use and practice you get more out of them. Stop and think about how well you got around with those crutches when you first got them and then after you had used them a while.

I just get sick of people saying "Well anyone can do that with all of that equipment". I know guys who get virtually nothing out of equipment and others who get tremendous help from the same gear. But anyone who realistically thinks that they'll gain X amount more on their lifts instantly from using equipment is a half wit.

I do agree that some of the federations have gone a bit overboard with the rules but that's why there are different feds so everyone can compete on their own terms. I also realize that the only way to get spectators is to push those numbers up. When I was at the Arnold classice there were probably 2,000 people gathered around to watch Mendelson try a 1,014lb bench. As soon as he bombed out over half the crowd left even though there were several other lifters left to go. Without crowds there is no sponsorship, without sponsorship there are no big meets, etc.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[skinsfan]

Not in the training forum. If you wish to make backhanded insults via questions you will not post here.

If you wanted to ask a medical classification there is a med board. If you were looking for info on test levels there in an anabolics board.

Do we have an understanding?

Cheers,
Scotsman

We absolutely do and I agree the training forum is for training.

But please do not put the words "competitive athlete" anywhere in here either. True competition requries that only genetics and skill determine the winner. Powerlifting absolutely does not have that.

My comment was meant in that way. Remove the equipment and the juice and then let's get some true competition.

 

[timtim]

We absolutely do and I agree the training forum is for training.

But please do not put the words "competitive athlete" anywhere in here either. True competition requries that only genetics and skill determine the winner. Powerlifting absolutely does not have that.

My comment was meant in that way. Remove the equipment and the juice and then let's get some true competition.

drugs have been used in all professional athletics. why remove them from powerlifting? and these people dedicate their body, mind, and life to completing these feats of strength. as competitive as it gets really. who is stronger pound for pound? i would say these people are actually leaning more towards elite status than just athletes. athletes can be anyone, top of your sport, thats elite.

 

[Scotsman]

We absolutely do and I agree the training forum is for training.

But please do not put the words "competitive athlete" anywhere in here either. True competition requries that only genetics and skill determine the winner. Powerlifting absolutely does not have that.

My comment was meant in that way. Remove the equipment and the juice and then let's get some true competition.

Ok then remove the drugs from every other sport. And their equipment as well. So no football player has ever made it on anything but genetic talent, or baeball player, or soccer player, or hockey player, etc.?

So in your words no professional or top level amateur sport is true competition?

Don't make rediculous statements that are impossible to back up. It makes you look foolish and bitter. Because as you have stated once people actually started training for a competition true competition ended.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[djeclipse]

drugs have been used in all professional athletics. why remove them from powerlifting? and these people dedicate their body, mind, and life to completing these feats of strength. as competitive as it gets really. who is stronger pound for pound? i would say these people are actually leaning more towards elite status than just athletes. athletes can be anyone, top of your sport, thats elite.

ya, though I have and never will performance enhancing drugs, I say for sports, all and any sports let the athletes use what ever they want.

People want to see the big hits, they want to see people break records. Steroids saved baseball and the comity now has the audacity to try and persecute the very players that brought baseball back after the strike? Bunch of hypocrites.

And to Scotsman,

I am saying there has to be a line drawn somewhere as to how much "aid" you are getting when lifting. I just feel it has gone too far and powerlifting has lost a lot of respect as a sport. Soon they will be using that bionic suit to lift 5000lbs+ that the army developed, lol

I understand the big lifts bring in people and the sponsors, but at what cost? To most it is a joke now days. Which is truly sad because I would love to watch power lifting on tv, but it will never happen.

 

[binö]

510 EF dl lbs converted into RL lbs is about 225 with shitty forum

 

[skinsfan]

drugs have been used in all professional athletics. why remove them from powerlifting? and these people dedicate their body, mind, and life to completing these feats of strength. as competitive as it gets really. who is stronger pound for pound? i would say these people are actually leaning more towards elite status than just athletes. athletes can be anyone, top of your sport, thats elite.

I'm not insulting the people, I 100% agree these people are athletes of the highest order. If I didn't think so then I myself wouldn't deadlift and squat and bench every week. I'm talking about the logic of competition.

If the playing field isn't even then how can you ever determine who is the best? It's the same reason you won't ever say barry bonds was a better hitter than Hank Aaron, because you don't know how much the steroids helped him or didn't. Maybe they had no effect at all, maybe they made him a worse hitter, the fact is you will never know.

Would you run any kind of science experiment without controls? The same holds true for competition. If you knew for a fact that powerlifter X took 1gram of test every week, and powerlifter Y took 1.5grams of test every week and they both had the same lift total, would you conclude that they were equal? Or would some place in your mind think that if powerlifter X had that extra 500mgs of test he would lift that one extra pound that the other guy could not?

Its just logic man, nothing else, I know these people only do what the rules say they can do and try to succeed within them, but its the rules that need to be changed for it to be considered true competition.

 

[Scotsman]

ya, though I have and never will performance enhancing drugs, I say for sports, all and any sports let the athletes use what ever they want.

People want to see the big hits, they want to see people break records. Steroids saved baseball and the comity now has the audacity to try and persecute the very players that brought baseball back after the strike? Bunch of hypocrites.

And to Scotsman,

I am saying there has to be a line drawn somewhere as to how much "aid" you are getting when lifting. I just feel it has gone too far and powerlifting has lost a lot of respect as a sport. Soon they will be using that bionic suit to lift 5000lbs+ that the army developed, lol

I understand the big lifts bring in people and the sponsors, but at what cost? To most it is a joke now days. Which is truly sad because I would love to watch power lifting on tv, but it will never happen.

Well the biggest and most respected PL division IPF is still a singleply poly only and tested federation. The USAPL which is the American affiliate follows those same rules. Since the collapse of the WPO due to financial reasons if you see powerlifting on tv it's either USAPL or IPF. They also still make you squat deep, hold a legitimate press, and do a full deadlift.

Hell the IPF banned just about half the elite Russian squad in the last year due to violations in out of comp testing proceedures.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[ScMc]

i wonder how much she could bench and squat without a suit. deadlift was impressive..

 

[timtim]

510 EF dl lbs converted into RL lbs is about 225 with shitty forum

bastard!