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Interesting situation....Advice?

Johndogg

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What's up guys....I'm a long time reader of the boards, newbie to post.
I'm a former fat ass....I'm 23 yrs old, 5'8, 200 lbs, about 18% bf (I know, not great, but from where I was, it's pretty good). In high school, I weighed almost 300lbs, with a bf around 30%. I was always athletic, just ate like shit and am blessed with a less than stellar metabolism.

Anyway, I started eating right, hitting the gym, making strides. I'm sensitive to carbs, so when I feel froggy and want to speed up the process I cut back.

I just thought I'd give you a briefing before I get to my situation...

My interesting situation is this:

I live in the Caribbean now (transplanted from NY). There are a few universities on this island, and I'm friends with a bunch of students. One of my good friends gets gear shipped down here, and is hooking me up for free. ( I know, I'm a lucky bastard) Obviously I can't go bananas, but I can do pretty well. The stuff is from a very reputable source in the Southeast of the U.S. I've done tons of research and am really just looking for more advice.

I've started with an oral winstrol cycle 50mg tabs ED( I have been taking milk thistle and drinking loads of water- I like my liver!), to help me cut more, allow me to go low calorie and not lose the muscle. This will hold me over.... It is also b/c this happens to be what he has alot of, more stuff is coming in 2 weeks and I am planning my first legit stack.

As of now, we've planned for the stack to be a front load, and then steady dose of test-e, along with deca and winstrol....I'll combat side effects with clomid and nolvadex. The idea, is to gain muscle, shed fat, and to do it on a semi-restricted diet. (lower cal, low carb, high protein).

Would anyone like to share their opinions on my gameplan?

Thanks in advance,
JDogg
 
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sounds like you have a good idea of what you want to do I would run some test E or cyp for 10-12weeks @250-500mg totl per week back the wiiny off and replce with deca. then put the winny back in for 2-4 weeks at end
 
Sounds like a first cycle to me .. leave the deca out of it and stick with test e @ 500mg for 10 weeks.. if you eat correctly you'll lose fat and put on muscle.. i wouldnt keep in a caloric deficit though -- hard as hell to gain muscle that way.
 
Are you sure your bf is only 15%? I'm just about your height and 180lbs....I'm under 15% bf.... if I had 20 more pounds on my frame, it'd be alot of fat.... maybe consider losing some more fat first...don't rely on AAS for that... I personally wouldn't rely on oral winstrol alone as a fat-burner.... then, when you're ready, as the others have suggested, run a 10-wk test only cycle...you'll make great gains on that.... use an anti-estrogen (aromasin, AIFM arimidex) throughout the cycle... then use either nolva or clomid for PCT (along with your AI)
 
njmuscleguy said:
Are you sure your bf is only 15%? I'm just about your height and 180lbs....I'm under 15% bf.... if I had 20 more pounds on my frame, it'd be alot of fat.... maybe consider losing some more fat first...don't rely on AAS for that... I personally wouldn't rely on oral winstrol alone as a fat-burner.... then, when you're ready, as the others have suggested, run a 10-wk test only cycle...you'll make great gains on that.... use an anti-estrogen (aromasin, AIFM arimidex) throughout the cycle... then use either nolva or clomid for PCT (along with your AI)

You are correct- I had a typo....I'm about 18% bf. I'll change that right away....glad you're paying attention!

Sorry about that!

On to the other stuff....I know I'll have test-e, deca, winny, clomid and nolvadex at my disposal, all free of charge, and enough for a complete 10-wk cycle.

Since I'm not paying for it, would it hurt to plan a stack with all of it? If I was paying, I'd probably ditch the deca for now, go with the test and finish with the winny, but I figure, hell- get a great stack for free, go with it! (maybe I'm wrong- feel free to critique)

Obviously, the test is the main component and will be front loaded. I was orginally planning on doing something similar to what the other dude said- Test, deca, finish off with winny, start the clomid before the cycle is over, and have clomid/nolva for PCT.

I won't start the cycle for 2 to 3 weeks.....I plan on a very strict diet between now and then.....I know I can get to 16% or so in that time. If I'm not where I want to be in 2 wks, I'll wait a week.

I have the Winny now (it is also free), and it is seemingly helping me not lose muscle on a low carb, approx 1500 cal diet, so I think I'll continue until my cycle. Like I said, 50mg oral, ED.

Does this all make sense, or does it sound like I need a major change?

Thanks,

JDogg
 
You're looking at it all wrong bro... it's great...no AWESOME that you can get real gear for FREE... however, just because you can get it free, doesn't mean you should be doing it.... I wouldn't do half of what's out there, even if it were free... you have to run cycles intelligently... this is your first cycle... start off simple... make sure your diet and training is in check and you will grow nicely... plus, if you're going to react negatively to any one compound, you wouldn't know which one the culprit is if you start off with several compounds... with each successive cycle, add another compound, then stick with what works for you! There's no reason why you couldn't just stock up the gear you can get now and then use it later down the road when your'e more experienced.
 
njmuscleguy said:
You're looking at it all wrong bro... it's great...no AWESOME that you can get real gear for FREE... however, just because you can get it free, doesn't mean you should be doing it.... I wouldn't do half of what's out there, even if it were free... you have to run cycles intelligently... this is your first cycle... start off simple... make sure your diet and training is in check and you will grow nicely... plus, if you're going to react negatively to any one compound, you wouldn't know which one the culprit is if you start off with several compounds... with each successive cycle, add another compound, then stick with what works for you! There's no reason why you couldn't just stock up the gear you can get now and then use it later down the road when your'e more experienced.

Good advice. Makes perfect sense.

Having heard that, would it make most sense to continue to get leaner with the Winny for a couple/few more weeks as I'm doing, then run just Test-E, and toward the end, re-introduce the winny? Or would you say that once I start with the test, just eliminate the winny for the time being. My goal is to gain muscle, but to keep it as lean as possible b/c obviously my bf % isn't where I'd love it to be.

Basically, just take the deca and save it maybe for next time?

Right now, I know the winny doesn't adversely effect me....so when I introduce the test, I can register whatever needs to be registered, and then move on....

Would this be sound?

Thanks again man,
JDogg
 
when you cut a few more % ditch the winny start with 500test for 6-7 weeks then jump back on the winny and your strength will go through the roof...good luck bro
 
I don't have any experience with winny, or running an oral-only cycle for that matter... so I can't give you much advice there... I would say ditch the winny... burn off the fat naturally...then start a legit cycle of test-only
 
njmuscleguy said:
I don't have any experience with winny, or running an oral-only cycle for that matter... so I can't give you much advice there... I would say ditch the winny... burn off the fat naturally...then start a legit cycle of test-only

Looks like the plan will be a Test-E only cycle, and depending where I am "maybe" some Winny at the end. I'm going to save the Deca maybe for next time.

Also, while I'm cutting, anyone out there have any positive things to say about Clen?

I could, as soon as tomorrow, introduce clen to stack with the winny until I do my Test cycle.

Thanks,
JDogg
 
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