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mrplunkey
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Horse shit.
A CCW does not carry an additional duty to avoid altercation beyond a citizen's ordinary obligations.
Interesting facts (truth)coming out about Trayvon
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Horse shit.
A CCW does not carry an additional duty to avoid altercation beyond a citizen's ordinary obligations.
redsamurai
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well, i'm going to crossreference what i pasted with assault guidelines in my state. It sure sounds like they're asking more of you. They're DEFINITELY asking more of you when it comes to consuming ANY alcohol while packing though aren't they? yep. They're saying if you're carrying you cannot become "visibly" intoxicated and be in certain establishments where it would be otehrwise legal to be armed.
redsamurai
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ok so i'm doing some more reading on this and it sounds like if your state doesn't have SYG laws you may have to show you made a reasonable attempt at retreating if possible even if u were not the aggressor. So if there was a plain and obvious avenue of retreat you are supposed to take that FIRST before you can use deadly force. So this already shows that infact there are extra duties to avoid altercations because "so far" i'm not seeing that same kind of language for non deadly confrontations. So if someone starts shit with you in a bar and you knock his ass out you're fine.
more reading....
more reading....
redsamurai
Banned
Ok so reading up on SYG laws....they get rid of the retreat first requirement, which i'm ok with, but they only allow for the matching of force. So if someone comes at you unarmed it's dicey if you claim you had to use deadly force with him. Zimmerman has to claim that not only did he not provoke this altercation, he still has to prove under Fl SYG laws that he feared for his life from this skinny little unarmed kid. If he did "ANY" chasing after this kid his whole case is blown. There is no way, not even in a gun friendly state, that he can claim he didn't provoke the fight and feared for his very life. The fact that it sounds like he shot "after" Trayvon mounted him and punched him a few times that Trayvon got up to leave having giving this dude a whoopin...leaving him with a few bumps and bruises, and Zimmerman shot him at distance. Case closed "if" those are the facts of the case. And it sounds like that even if Trayvon was the aggressor, he gave Zimmerman a little beating yes but if witnesses show that he was disengaging Zimmerman still had no right to shoot him. Zimmerman has to contend that Trayvon was coming back for not only another round but had the intention of killing him.
mrplunkey
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You just keep typing and typing in circles.
Horse shit.
A CCW does not carry an additional duty to avoid altercation beyond a citizen's ordinary obligations.
the kids father testified in a statement that the person screaming for help was not T-money, but the victim Zimmerman.. hate to see a father lose a son..
mrplunkey
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Exactly. There are duties associated with a CCW (I.e. you can't drink while carrying), but none of those obligations alter SYG, Castle Doctrine or any of the deadly force use laws.
redsamurai
Banned
you can drink while carrying but you cannot become "visibly" intoxicated...grey area wording.
And did you not just confirm my assertion that there are extra duties imposed on CCW carriers that wouldn't normally be put on them if they weren't armed?
dude c'mon
redsamurai
Banned
the topic at hand is whether the law imposes a greater level of duty on an individual to avoid altercations. In my state it definitely looks like it does..even in Fl SYG applies when you feel your life or someone else's is in immediate danger. If Zmmerman really was getting his head bashed into the ground and was able to get up and try to move away and Trayvon continued to assault him...he was definitely in the right to shoot him, even if he provoked the fight. If Trayvon was leaving the area and he still shot him than SYG does not apply. Where is our misunderstanding?
If someone in a bar starts a fight with you, even if there's the possibility of just leaving if you fight back within a reasonable amount of time you're in the clear. So that shows it is a different standard between fists and armed confrontation. Even in Fl SYG only applies if someone is coming at you with the intent to maim or kill...you have to show that definitively. If someone is just yelling swear words at you and draw on him that does not fall under SYG. And if you provoke a fist fight you are also not covered under SYG to escalate to deadly force unless you can show you disengaged and the other guy then became the aggressor..only then does SYG refresh.
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