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kitstreasure
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Her standpoint is actually one you hear a lot from the ALF/PETA types. They are trying to win their war not only with bombs, but also by telling people that having animals in their lives, homes, and bodies is bad for them. Part of it is bullshit, part of it is hyperbole, and a SMALL part of it is actually legit.
MrSinister
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5000 years of civilization says otherwise.
Horse shit horse shit Cow diarhea and more horseshit
this shit is old news.
I've been saying all this shit for years
I haven't touched milk in 7 years and I am healthier for it. I used to be a HUGE HUGE HUGE MILK drinker.. all my life.. in my early 20's i was drinking a gallon or more a day. my health went to shit thanks to it. sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, fat fat fat fat.
milk is just fat and sugar. it has no nutrition whatsoever. lactose is undigestable for 85% of humans. unless you are a baby cow there is zero reason to consume milk.
the problem is many people have been drinking milk their whole lives and being hit with the propaganda that milk is good for you that when they hear the truth about milk they denounce it
again I used to drink more milk than anyone in this thread combined. but I did my own research and quit years ago. ... all of you who are drinking milk or giving milk to your kids should do your own research and make a sound decision.. not based on tv commercials or what you have been told all your life.. but based on the facts.
I would equate milk with gatorade.. both are supposedly good for you.. many people are fooled into believing that thanks to an aggressive marketing campaign.. but both are absolute poison and have zero nutritional value. WATER WATER WATER is what you should be drinking. there is nothing out there that comes even close to pure aqua. get an ionizer and filter it out or buy Fiji water and you will be 100% more healthier
I've been saying all this shit for years
I haven't touched milk in 7 years and I am healthier for it. I used to be a HUGE HUGE HUGE MILK drinker.. all my life.. in my early 20's i was drinking a gallon or more a day. my health went to shit thanks to it. sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, fat fat fat fat.
milk is just fat and sugar. it has no nutrition whatsoever. lactose is undigestable for 85% of humans. unless you are a baby cow there is zero reason to consume milk.
the problem is many people have been drinking milk their whole lives and being hit with the propaganda that milk is good for you that when they hear the truth about milk they denounce it
again I used to drink more milk than anyone in this thread combined. but I did my own research and quit years ago. ... all of you who are drinking milk or giving milk to your kids should do your own research and make a sound decision.. not based on tv commercials or what you have been told all your life.. but based on the facts.
I would equate milk with gatorade.. both are supposedly good for you.. many people are fooled into believing that thanks to an aggressive marketing campaign.. but both are absolute poison and have zero nutritional value. WATER WATER WATER is what you should be drinking. there is nothing out there that comes even close to pure aqua. get an ionizer and filter it out or buy Fiji water and you will be 100% more healthier
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dairy farming as an industry selling milk has only been around for the past 100 years or so. in the US german and irish farmers in the midwest used dairy farming as a ponzi scheme.. pretty soon there were thousands of farmers all over the midwest and the industry grew large and powerful. now you have a billion dollar industry that advertises that 'milk does a body good'.. and since farmers need to sell their milk you have every school in the country giving it to children. one of the reasons why 80% of children in the US are overweight/obese..
its a nice scam they got going.
ever been to a dairy farm and seen how cows are milked? its fucking horrendous.. go there and try it sometime.. hardly what our ancestors did 5000 years ago .. today dairy farming is 90% large corporations.. cows are injected with every hormone possible to make sure they keep pumping out a ridiculous amount of milk.
also last i checked they didn't have pasteurization 5000 years ago. in the US it is ILLEGAL to produce milk without pasteurizing it first. so no the milk you buy from the store is hardly what anyone 5000 years ago drank.
also there is a huge difference between grassfed beef and regular beef. grassfed beef has omega's.. these are the little differences which bodybuilders need to take advantage of. if you want to excel you gotta up your game on your diet and start eating quality, not beef from the back alley butcher.
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ryno9000
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This is interesting, and I have new questions:
In theory, if a person can get "raw" milk (I know of one store locally that does, it's expensive, but it originates in a specially certified dairy with like 5 cows in a city one county away from where I live), would RAW milk (non-pasturized, non-homogenized) be more beneficial?
What about yogurt? Or cheese? Do you no longer eat anything that is milk based?
Whey comes from milk. Casein is 80% of milk. According to this article, which you seem to agree with, our bodies are not equipped to digest these. So are casein supplements just clogging our digestive tract and nothing more?
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Lighter Fighter
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i used to be big milk drinker now cutting milk for a good 8 month have me leaner than ever milk MAKES YOU FAT. even skim milk which is what i used to drink on daily basis was garbage, it bloats the fuck outta me.
yeah thats the worst thing to have to deal with.. bloat and gas can make a ripped bodybuilder look like a marshmallow. basically the milk goes into the stomach and sits there and since the sugars are not digestable bacteria goes to work on it leading to bloat and gas.
and skim milk is even worse.. its pretty much sugar and water mixed.
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live large
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I too have stopped drinking milk and have noticed a big difference. I feel and look alot leaner I don't feel sluggish or bloated anymore. And overall just have more energy I don't think I'll ever go back to drinking milk !!
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Lighter Fighter
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Not to mention the explosive diarrhea i got when drinking 3-4 cups a day, my stomach was constantly bloated and i was farting non stop..
Now that i look back i cant believe the amount sugar was in milk, there are 12g of fuking sugar per CUP, thats 36g of pure undigestable sugar if you drink 3 cups a day and only 26g protein, i can get 25g of protein in a single scoop of whey with only 1g sugar and not get bloated or feel like i have to take water shit.
milk is for baby cows not human.
How do you account for the people that love milk And benefit from it? In my opinion one's inability to digest milk properly is a flaw that lies within the person and not the milk. More people can drink milk then can't. I don't have any thing that proves that, but I would bet that that is the case. Not only that, but I can assure you that I digest all of my milk. Does that make me superhuman?
okay.. let me explain and correct some myths.. the enzyme that breaks down lactose is lactase.. about 75% of Americans lack that enzyme. after childhood that number goes up.. you can look that up on google.. asians and african americans its over 90%. but a lot of black people drink milk, more than any other race in the US.. again we go back to my above posts as to why.. because its a helluva lot cheaper and convienient to buy a gallon of pasteurized fat and sugar, then buy some decent chicken, beef, turkey, eggs, etc. you would notice if you started buying more of those vs. milk your grocery bills would sky rocket. no different than buying a box of pasta or cereal vs. real food. pasteurized shit is the reason so many americans are in bad shape and have bad health. BUT they do it like you said in your first sentence because so many people like shit out of a box
now there are levels that tend to have a harder time.. even if its slight bloat and gas. some people get diarhea and naseau from milk.. some guys get bloat.. some guys get gas.. everyone is different.. there is a small segment of the population that is fine with it.
just like going out on a boat and some guys bragging how 'tough' they are that they don't get sea sick. and then a week later they go out again and are throwing up for 5 hours straight. the body doesn't always react each time the same. MOST humans get sea sick, thats a fact .. BUT doesn't mean you will every single time you go out.
however just because you drink milk and digest it fine doesn't mean its good for you. it has no health benefits, every nutrient is zapped away anyway when its pasteurized.
Drink Raw Milk for Muscle Gains - YouTube << skip to 1:30 if you want.. check out this video and you will understand more. you need to find raw milk unpasteurized if you insist on milk (which is illegal btw), thats the only way you will get anything out of it.. otherwise you are just drinking fat and sugar. if you would strip milk out of your diet the way you look now.. holy shit you would be ripped to shreds. i bet you would drop 1-2% body fat instantly
and let me ask you a serious question to ponder.. would you drink human milk straight out of a womans boob? sounds silly right.. so then why is it okay to drink milk out of a cows boob that was pumped full of hormones? leave cow milk for baby cows. the dairy industry has a wonderful scam going and has millions on the hook.. you have an entire section at every grocery store that sells milk, but as more people become educated less and less people are drinking milk these days and the dairy industry is slowly dying off.. if milk was so good for you then you would see lifters at gyms walking around with milk jugs drinking between sets, not water. you would see them handing out milk to runners at road races, not water.
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TestGuy663
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It seems like other other day somebody tries to say xyz product is bad for you and the next minute some other study comes out that says it wonderful.
Alright so far I agree with what you just said, but again you keep saying its just sugar and fat when there is 8g protein per cup. That 8 g is all whey and casein. Having said that, why does every BBer drink primarily whey protein which comes from milk. Becuase I know supp companies don't model their protein after breast milk. It's the same as cows milk. I know milk was way better back before pasteurization and all, and that of course beef, chicken, etc. is a far better choice. Still I say milk has its benefits. Milk is food for rapidly growing animals and babies that are growing far faster than an adult can grow muscle. So why would it be beneficial for the baby/baby Animal and not a growing adult? Greek yogurt anyone? Cottage cheese? It's all the same so if milk is useless then one should toss out all dairy.
the benefits of milk are outweighed by the negatives. the calcium myth that the article talks about is true also. when you drink milk you are actually robbing your body of calcium.. weird but true. in the US we have the highest osteoperosis rate in the world. the lowest? south asia where milk is never drank. osteoperosis doesn't exist over there. next time you are at the grocery store stand in the dairy section and watch the people buying milk, you will see a trend.
i would say whey proteins are marketed more towards teens and newbs. BB's eat real food.. whole foods. they never rely on whey protein. i drink it as a treat and i get WTBM which is the best quality and has the lowest sugar out there, but in no way would i rely on whey protein to get my nutrition. bottom line is if dairy is 5% of your diet then its totally okay. if its 30% of your diet or more then you've got problems
as far as yogurt as the article stated its okay in small amounts as long as its plain greek yogurt, its got pro-biotics and good bacteria which help outweigh the negatives.. most yogurts out there especially the ones with fruit at the bottom are no different than eating a candy bar.. its just all sugar. cheese raw is okay in small amounts too, once you cook it like in pizza its obviously not good for you .. cheese has a ton of salt. personally I don't consume any dairy except in very small amounts.. i might have a slice of pizza once a month or if i go out with a girl on a date as i said above and she wants ice cream i will have a couple spoons of it. but in no way do i consume a large amount of it ..
when i was younger all i ate was dairy which is why my health went to shit. if you told me back then milk was bad for you i would have scoffed at that too, years of propaganda and 'milk does a body good' commercials had me fooled good. i ran into a guy who was built like a freight train who worked with my dad, and he looked at the foods i had in my house and he taught me proper nutrition.. had me get rid of all my dairy, sugars, processed shit i had. and had me drink WATER WATER and more WATER.. taught me whole foods. I lost 30 pounds in 5 weeks and probably about 5-7% body fat in that span. just from diet changes. and i was a believer after that. haven't touched milk since. my gf has inflammation issues, when i met her she was a heavy milk drinker.. i got her to quit milk and her inflammation dissapeared. milk is poison pure and simple. the best thing you could drink is good quality water. i bought an ionizer and i hook that thing up and the best water.
here are just some links i found online
Modern Milk | Harvard Magazine May-Jun 2007
Why Not Drink Milk?
Does Milk Cause Cancer? - Ask Dr. Weil
According to Dr. Andrew Weil, "The notion that milk is good for all of us throughout life has been fostered by the dairy industry. Except for people of northern European origin, most adults worldwide can't digest lactose, the natural sugar in milk. This is because as we mature, our bodies stop making the enzyme that breaks it down. As a result, many may develop gas, cramps and/or diarrhea whenever milk is consumed. But lactose intolerance isn't the only problem with milk and milk products. The milk protein, casein, can irritate the immune system and stimulate mucus production, worsening allergy symptoms. This is why milk consumption is associated with recurrent childhood ear infections, eczema, chronic bronchitis, asthma, and sinus conditions. Even those who are not allergic to milk, like people who have autoimmune diseases or digestive problems, may find that their symptoms improve when they eliminate milk and milk products..."
A cow's milk is meant for baby cows. Human breast milk is meant for baby humans. We do not need baby milk when we're older, and we do not need the milk from any other mammal at any time-- not cow milk, not whale milk, not goat milk, not camel milk, not horse milk. About 3/4 of adult humans do not adequately produce the enzyme lactase to digest the lactose in milk
Modern Milk | Harvard Magazine May-Jun 2007
Why Not Drink Milk?
Does Milk Cause Cancer? - Ask Dr. Weil
According to Dr. Andrew Weil, "The notion that milk is good for all of us throughout life has been fostered by the dairy industry. Except for people of northern European origin, most adults worldwide can't digest lactose, the natural sugar in milk. This is because as we mature, our bodies stop making the enzyme that breaks it down. As a result, many may develop gas, cramps and/or diarrhea whenever milk is consumed. But lactose intolerance isn't the only problem with milk and milk products. The milk protein, casein, can irritate the immune system and stimulate mucus production, worsening allergy symptoms. This is why milk consumption is associated with recurrent childhood ear infections, eczema, chronic bronchitis, asthma, and sinus conditions. Even those who are not allergic to milk, like people who have autoimmune diseases or digestive problems, may find that their symptoms improve when they eliminate milk and milk products..."
A cow's milk is meant for baby cows. Human breast milk is meant for baby humans. We do not need baby milk when we're older, and we do not need the milk from any other mammal at any time-- not cow milk, not whale milk, not goat milk, not camel milk, not horse milk. About 3/4 of adult humans do not adequately produce the enzyme lactase to digest the lactose in milk
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ryno9000
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I'm so glad I started this thread!
The thing is, milk doesn't bloat me! See photos on my profile for proof. I CAN digest lactose, so why shouldn't I?
And then it comes down to, ok so what if I eliminate milk for the aforementioned reasons. Then I eliminate any and all soy for the inconclusive but possible effects of phytoestrogens. Then I stop eating red meat because of the saturated fat content and links to colon cancer. Tuna has mercury. Poultry is often full of GHO. modern wheat has been genetically engenieered and is hardly recognizable to the human body anymore. What CAN I eat? Rice? Air?
^^^ come food shopping with me sometime, i will show you what to buy. its easier than you think
but seriously this is a fitness site bro and the diet section. i have a responsibility as a leader of this site to spread knowledge, if you don't want to take my advice then thats your business. no problem whatsoever.
you want to eat cereal every morning with milk then great. just don't think its good for you. if you ate scrambled eggs it would be 10X better
you look good btw, when i used to drink milk I had an 8 pack too... i was doing a lot of running lol.
but seriously this is a fitness site bro and the diet section. i have a responsibility as a leader of this site to spread knowledge, if you don't want to take my advice then thats your business. no problem whatsoever.
you want to eat cereal every morning with milk then great. just don't think its good for you. if you ate scrambled eggs it would be 10X better
you look good btw, when i used to drink milk I had an 8 pack too... i was doing a lot of running lol.
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ryno9000
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Thanks man!
I hope I'm not coming across argumentative, at least not in a bad way. This is GREAT info and has really got me considering things I never have before. I learn by challenging/debating people who know more or have a different point of view. It DOES make me wonder if ill be even better without milk, but I also wonder if its worth stopping when I don't "need" to. Ill admit milk is the easy way out for me to get calories. I can drink lots of liquid, but eating solid food upwards of 4,000cal is difficult for me.
^^^ i remember 5 years ago on a fitness site i debated a guy on gatorade. he kept telling me gatorade was good to drink because athletes drink it. I LOL'd. I mean gatorade is the official sponsor of the NFL!! it must be good!! and subway is the official restaurant of the nfl!! and jared looks so good, he gets all those girls in those commercials.. went from being obese to just fat.
today how many guys drink gatorade? not many at all.. its just a beverage that fat people buy to get their sugar fix. i remember seeing a lot of gatorade at gyms years ago, now i might see 1 or 2 idiots carrying it around. who eats subway seriously? maybe some naive teens or guys too lazy or cheap to buy a decent sandwich or make their own.
anyway you will see in another 5-10 years milk will be almost gone from most peoples diets. if you look up the stats on the dairy industry we are consuming less and less dairy vs. population growth and dairy farming is becoming obsolete just like how the citrus industry dissapeared in the US. orange groves in FL went from golf courses when it was a money maker, to orange groves, to now they are suburbs. its just not a profitable industry anymore, thats why the oranges you buy in stores are never from FL, they are from california picked by some illegal mexicans for dirt cheap or overseas. you can't own a citrus grove and sell your oranges and make money on it anymore, not possible
there was a time when you had the milk man deliver milk, that was at the height of the boom when people were making money as dairy farmers, now track down where that milk you are drinking comes from. probably some corporate farm in the midwest run by some billion dollar company.
http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=660 <<< here is a chart.. its been slowly dropping .. i think as long as the health trends amongst young people continue you will see it drop very fast over the next 10 years.. you will also see the continued growth of whole foods and other specialty grocery stores.. people care a lot about their health, especially the younger generations
today how many guys drink gatorade? not many at all.. its just a beverage that fat people buy to get their sugar fix. i remember seeing a lot of gatorade at gyms years ago, now i might see 1 or 2 idiots carrying it around. who eats subway seriously? maybe some naive teens or guys too lazy or cheap to buy a decent sandwich or make their own.
anyway you will see in another 5-10 years milk will be almost gone from most peoples diets. if you look up the stats on the dairy industry we are consuming less and less dairy vs. population growth and dairy farming is becoming obsolete just like how the citrus industry dissapeared in the US. orange groves in FL went from golf courses when it was a money maker, to orange groves, to now they are suburbs. its just not a profitable industry anymore, thats why the oranges you buy in stores are never from FL, they are from california picked by some illegal mexicans for dirt cheap or overseas. you can't own a citrus grove and sell your oranges and make money on it anymore, not possible
there was a time when you had the milk man deliver milk, that was at the height of the boom when people were making money as dairy farmers, now track down where that milk you are drinking comes from. probably some corporate farm in the midwest run by some billion dollar company.
http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=660 <<< here is a chart.. its been slowly dropping .. i think as long as the health trends amongst young people continue you will see it drop very fast over the next 10 years.. you will also see the continued growth of whole foods and other specialty grocery stores.. people care a lot about their health, especially the younger generations
^^^ well yeah considering the dairy industry spent 1.1B on advertising and milk is given to kids in schools all across the country of course its gonna be high. you could advertise pig guts and give it to kids and i bet the stats would be the same. but even with that crazy ad push in the mid 90's the trend is still dropping anyway which is a good thing.
and then to top it off schools are reducing P/E to shorten school days. so our kids are getting fatter and fatter.. diabetes is sky high amongst kids. its a troubling trend.. really if you have a kid you should be packing their lunches and then after school taking them to the park or gym to play.. but parents these days are either too lazy or don't have the time for that .
and then to top it off schools are reducing P/E to shorten school days. so our kids are getting fatter and fatter.. diabetes is sky high amongst kids. its a troubling trend.. really if you have a kid you should be packing their lunches and then after school taking them to the park or gym to play.. but parents these days are either too lazy or don't have the time for that .
