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Get a glucose meter and have a doc on call. Start very low and gradually increase. A mistake with slin could be your last so be smart and have someone you trust close by incase you need emergency medical help.
What is your reasoning for wanting to add insulin in your next cycle?
im just doing my homework now, a few guys i lift with are using it with great results but im a stickler for info before i get started on anything. Just going to do it post work out, start slow. From what i read its pretty much
take it right after workout
take shake with carbs and protein right after
then a very clean meal after an hour and another as soon as you can after that
take it right after workout
take shake with carbs and protein right after
then a very clean meal after an hour and another as soon as you can after that
The best tip I can give you is stay away from insulin. I've had clients (and myself) nearly die from it, it's dangerous. 1 mistake can lead to a coma or serious sides.
Insulin is a big risk for what essentially can be achieved by eating more carbs.
Lighter Fighter
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There is absolutely no reason to use insulin unless you're an ifbb pro making a living out of it.. The dangers outweigh the benefits by a mile, its not anabolic like steroid so it doesnt buld muscle, but it is extremely anti catabolic, way more than testosterone, thats why the pros use it, its stupid and dangerous.
Lol. Insulin is the most "anabolic" agent on the planet. You need to do your homework, junior..
insulin is best used when bulking it keeps the muscles full, also be careful with the amount of simple carbs consumed after injection you will get fat as f**k, start at 2iu's immediately after workout .. unless u live within 5min from the gym bring it with you in an ice pack, you will feel tired after taking it, expect stomach to get bloat. check out boston lyod insulin video on youtube he explains administration of it. last tip UNLESS YOU ARE COMPETING dont do it dude YOU CAN DIE.
Lighter Fighter
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No, you need to do your homework, insulin is not anabolic, it doesnt build muscle tissue, if it were anabolic you could eat carbs and build muscle, people misunderstand what insulin does, i know you probably read that somewhere on the net without researching what it actually does..
Insulin increase amino acid uptake and its highly anti catabolic to muscle tissue, thats why it so effective, but it comes with a price, FAT gain.
ya lost me.. isn't anti-catabolic = anabolic?
yes you can gain fat on it but the key is eating clean, its an excellent nutrition partitioner much like tren and every other AAS to a lesser degree.
but yes we agree most guys just don't need it. if you are 6 feet tall and 155 pounds then you definately have no business using it much less any other hormone.
Lighter Fighter
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You're completely misinformed, i know where you read that insulin is anabolic, im not even gonna argue.
Lighter Fighter
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No, anti catabolic means it prevents muscle from being broken down, anabolic means to build up, specifically muscle tissue, Insulin also has an indrect effect on protein synthesis, it will accelerate MPS (muscle protein synthesis) and prevent MPB (muscle protein breakdown), the reason its recommended to consume carbs + protein post workout is to prevent MPB by releasing insulin and to increase MPS from amino acid.
if you're insulin senstitive, then yes you can increase nutrient partitioning to favor more carbs being stored in the muscle than fat cells, steroids greatly increase glycogen synthase and make better use of calories being stored in the muscle.
RADAR
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Yep, just like steroids aren't enough, not only you increase your risk of dying, you also can mess up your thyroid and may be on insulin the rest of your life.
gjohnson5
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The issue is the pancreas has a negative feedback loop that stops excess insulin from being secreted. A human pancreas
Isn't designed to secrets the amounts of insulin necessary to build muscle. Its purpose is to regulate blood sugar....
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Isn't designed to secrets the amounts of insulin necessary to build muscle. Its purpose is to regulate blood sugar....
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insulin is highly anabolic and does build muscle. you are wrong there good friend.
lets be honest the pro's use insulin from the time they wake till their last meal. the normal joe doesn't need to do this. just run it once a day and cycle it after your workout to help shuttle in nutrients after your workout. the difference is AAS are active in the body 24/7 and insulin is only active for a few hours during the day. so this is where a lot of guys get confused
99% of guys though don't need it, including me.. i have recently experimented with it twice in the past year because that is what I do.. EXPERIMENT, plus i bought a bottle of the shit so might as well use it and see what happens. for everyone else though N2slin does the same thing but it is natural and i would encourage anyone interested in insulin to give n2slin a shot first and learn the ropes
99% of guys though don't need it, including me.. i have recently experimented with it twice in the past year because that is what I do.. EXPERIMENT, plus i bought a bottle of the shit so might as well use it and see what happens. for everyone else though N2slin does the same thing but it is natural and i would encourage anyone interested in insulin to give n2slin a shot first and learn the ropes
Yep, he's horribly wrong. I will break it down real quick how it works, not because you don't know, so he will know, and the simple fact that I don't feel like dealing with him.
Insulin is a partitioning agent. A "shuttle" to be exact.
Picture insulin as a bus. Nutrients board the bus, and insulin pulls away and drops off the nutrients at the proper bus stop. That is basically what it does, and for all intents and purposes that is everything anyone needs to know to understand how it works.
Consequently, by insulin shuttling these nutrient where they need to go, it enables anabolism and is therefore anabolic!
Lighter Fighter
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by anabolic i mean builds muscle tissue, and IT DOES NOT BUID MUSCLE BY ITSEF.
Insulin is anti cataboic it prevents muscle protein breakdown, it does not STIMULATE mps, remeber i said stimulate.
Read this study,
Mechanism of insulin's anaboli... [Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Maybe your definition of anabolic is different than mine but if you think insulin can directly build muscle which is what you're saying is completely false, only amino acids (specialy leucine) can stimulate mps.
the first line says that its an anabolic hormone. so what exactly are you argueing again?
secondly studies don't mean shit. guys who read studies and run hormones based on them are like virgins who read sex books or watch porn. you won't learn shit about something unless you do it. nor is some geeky scientist at some 2nd rate university capable of teaching any experienced juicer about AAS or hormones in general.
insulin shuttles nutrients into the muscle, if you are in capable of growing more muscle from that then you aren't taking advantage of it pure and simple.. i would imagine lots of diabetics who take insulin fall into this category. and i would imagine a lot of them also look like shit to have ended up getting diabetes in the first place.
having said all that yes i can partially agree with you that just like running any hormone a lot of guys won't get anywhere on it. you can't just inject some insulin or test or primo and magically build muscle. there is a method to the madness.
gjohnson5
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This is an abstract.....
How do you think AAS works?
duncanlukas
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I like starting with 10iu postworkout. 8-10g carbs in the form of sugar per iu.
AnthonyMarco
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I haven't ever used insulin, but I am severely hypoglycemic. My tip is keep orange juice nearby at all times when using.
Insulin will shuttle all the glucose (among other things) out of your blood with unparalleled quickness. Once this happens your neurons have nothing to eat. The way your neurons let you know they are hungry is an increasingly unpleasant chain of events brought to you courtesy of your central nervous system.
Be safe.
Insulin will shuttle all the glucose (among other things) out of your blood with unparalleled quickness. Once this happens your neurons have nothing to eat. The way your neurons let you know they are hungry is an increasingly unpleasant chain of events brought to you courtesy of your central nervous system.
Be safe.
Thank you. I couldn't have said this better myself.
I, for one, see no need to use insulin unless you have maxed your potential out already on AAS and HGH.
AnthonyMarco
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Thank you. And yes, I think people don't really realize how powerful insulin really is. You can read and get advice, but you really can't appreciate the danger of insulin until you use it (or get an overzealous pancreas).
Your body naturally increases insulin in response to carbohydrate intake, so as long as you eat protein WITH carbs, you still get amino acids to your muscle along with the replenished glycogen.
I am not one to try to tell people what to do since it is not my body, but I agree that it isn't something to use unless you can really use it to its full potential.
On the other side though, the fact that I am always running high insulin (naturally) makes it very easy for me to build muscle or burn fat. The slightest change in my diet and results just come quick. But I have high levels 24/7/365, and not just once or twice a day.
BUT it also means if I slack off I gain fat quickly.
Tony.
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