Insulin has no efffect on protein synthesis PWO? prove it

[desmond]

what about a protein/fat meal an hour and a half pre-workout? i didnt respond well to pre-workout carbs as i have tried that for various 4 and 5 week cycles. i am currently having 8 ounces ground turkey, 5 fish oil caps, and 2 teaspoon olive oil an hour and a half pre-workout.

post workout i am finishing up a cycle of various whole foods and no carbs. i noticed very little difference with/without carbs and liquid/whole food protein with efas. i have actually stayed at 198 to 200 since my cycle had ended 2 months ago. my bf is up to 13 at most and all in my lower back, handles. i am clean bulking though.

i really just want to get to 180 and ripped. i no longer like being so heavy/big, im only 5'5" and i look ridiculous in nice clothes.

with my pre-workout diet and goal (to lose the bber look and look more athletic), you think the 50 grams of just whey would be good?

Are u doing keto? Otherwise, why not allocate some of ur carbs PWO. I don't see a downer. Even many variations of keto include some PWO carbs

 

[timtim]

Are u doing keto? Otherwise, why not allocate some of ur carbs PWO. I don't see a downer. Even many variations of keto include some PWO carbs

actually carb cycling but i like to try everything. i just dont know about only whey post workout. my friend is a nutritionist and he said try it and see but im not sold yet. ive done alot of different things that go against the grain but this seems alittle much.

ketos are good though.

 

[cobracock1979]

Whey+bcaa+glute

Studies seen here show the combo will significantly raise insulin levels and stop catalysis PWO.

Ill be doing this when I start cutting in about 6 weeks. Perfect for keto.

 

[timtim]

Whey+bcaa+glute

Studies seen here show the combo will significantly raise insulin levels and stop catalysis PWO.

Ill be doing this when I start cutting in about 6 weeks. Perfect for keto.

ive heard of this before. this is something id be interested in running. thank you.

 

[timtim]

Whey+bcaa+glute

Studies seen here show the combo will significantly raise insulin levels and stop catalysis PWO.

Ill be doing this when I start cutting in about 6 weeks. Perfect for keto.

could you tell me the amount of bcaas and glutamine i should be using. im ordering the stuff now. thank you.

 

[cobracock1979]

I use 10g bcca + 15-20g glute. I use more glute if I have had a heavy squats or deads session and think I may be sore the next day. Glutamine is UNBELIEVABLE for treating muscle stiffness...its so true!

 

[timtim]

I use 10g bcca + 15-20g glute. I use more glute if I have had a heavy squats or deads session and think I may be sore the next day. Glutamine is UNBELIEVABLE for treating muscle stiffness...its so true!

thank you. just ordered 600 grams of bcaas and 1000 grams of glutamine from beyond a century. $55 for it all. decent price.

 

[cobracock1979]

great price!

 

[timtim]

great price!

yea?

i get all, or 99% of my stuff there. they have a green tea i take that is 98% polyphenols/50% ecgc.

1 serving is:1/10 a tsp. (they supply)
green tea extract: 250mg
total catechins (hplc): 205mg
ecgc: 125mg
caffine: <2.5mg

i take 3 to 4 scoops twice a day. its the most horrible taste which absorbs into the tongue and you must drink and eat something immediately after swallowing. if you take it on an empty stomach you will feel painful stomach cramps and shit out your guts. drink and eat, no problem at all. i take it in about 3ounces of cold water. SUPPOSED to be capped but fuck it, im not spending a day doing that shit. 6 scoops a day is 1.5 grams of all the essential parts of the tea in mega doses. metabolic increase, for me, took about 4 months. if you are cutting, stop all other thermogenics. this is all you will need and by being on only this you can truely measure its effectiveness.

and 50 grams, or 200 doses, only cost $7.50.

 

[ILiftBig]

2. Insulin spike does nil because physiological insulin regulation will limit any possible anabolic effects cause by insulin

5. Associating insulin injections with endogenous insulin secretion is not a valid argument. The pancrease does not secrete humalog in 10IU dosages....

All I'm saying is that there is no evidence that spiking insulin PWO helps protein synthesis

You problem at this point is due to the lack of knowledge of insulin itself. e

So according to gjohnson all of us who use 10-20iu of Novolog (rDNA origin) after training are wasting our time because whey protein PWO increases insulin spikes enough to maximize protein synthesis? The fact that successful BB's have been spiking insulin PWO by using fast acting exogenous rDNA origin analogs combined with whey protein and dextrose kind of tells me that these studies are interesting but mean little in the real world.Thanks anyway but I'll keep spiking my insulin after training.

I always get pretty damn good growth from it insulin spikes PWO (~3-4bs of LBM/6 weeks). While somethings look really good in theory, in practice it's obvious these scientists are missing out on something. You are right, the pancreas doesn't secret humalog (most of which is not rDNA) but the fact that huge insulin spikes have been working for years for many of us will never be negated by a few research studies. They just need to get back in the labs and figure out why it is working for all of us.