Well...I have been taking this in over the past few days and doing my own research and internet "sleuthing" if you will. All that I am reading and seeing and past experience have led me to the following conclusions, take them or leave them, I really don't care.
1) Indy made one big mistake, he stuck up for satch. Indy and satch are not the same person for so many reasons; they just can't be. My conclusion is that satch became a scammer and used Indy to keep the lie going as long as possible. Satch burned Indy pretty bad after he stuck his neck out for him, and now Indys head is being cut off at that neck so to speak. Thats more than sad, and I beleive Indy did have the wool pulled over his eyes in a major way; but then again we all did didn't we? I sure didn't see this coming but it was time for something "dramatic" to happen on EF, it had been 6 days after all.
2) Satch is a scammer. All roads lead to this conclusion and unless satch gets on here and provides some proof, thats what I beleive. Of course what kind of proof could he offer up? Don't know really, thats his problem.
3) I think a lot of this Indy bashing is not so much related to the satch mess as it is with personal issues people have with him. They don't like him or his posts or his views on primo or whatever, so now it's "cool" to bash him. He stuck up for satch and his products and now that satch is a snake, well indy just must be too right? No, I don't think so, but that is the way the world does it. You are guilty until proven innocent.
4) Indy has always been cool with me...more than cool and he has always shown me the right path as I try and educate myself on gear, fitness, diet, etc. WHen I first came to EF It was to get huge and chat non stop. Well, After doing that for awhile I settled into my role of educating myself to do this right, learn how to train, diet and obtain as much knowledge as possible. Indy has helped me do that countless times without ever pushing satches gear down my throat. I have never used his gear(or any gear) as steroids are illegal and that would be wrong, not to mention I am poor and satch was expensive to say the least. Indy has been my go to guy on this board on learning and sharing knowledge for almost a year now without one sign of scamming or being dishonest in any way shape or form. No I don't know Indy on a "hey lets go get a beer" kind of level, but I have chatted with him long enough to be pretty dang sure he isn't a scammer or part of all this.
5) Radar is right up there with Indy as far as good guys go, he just made a mistake apparently and I do think Galaxy should be allowed to return as well as MissFit and the other members that were "banned" for their issues with his pictures. I don't know that much about that situation but it appears it has all been corrected to some degree. We all make mistakes and do unwise things, and that is what apparently happened here.
One thing I want to caution everyone on is this (sorry for sounding like a dad there). If satch is a scammer then string him up just like chase and just like any other piece of dog crap scammer should be. If he isn't, prove it. The proof is not looking good I will say and it is almost a done deal that he did scam; but we all have had friends or "buddies" do something stupid and we were caught in the crossfire and that is a horrible place to be. Not only were you stabbed in the back by someone you have been sticking up for but you are immediatly accused for simply knowing someone or being someones friend regardless of how strongly you disagree with his current actions. Indy was a great spokesperson for satch and he has now been hung out to dry. Well, Indy, for the record you are a good bro and I stand behind you.
I think Indy just like myself and the majority of us are pretty pissed because somone so close to home is apparently a scammer and it's someone that a lot of us now bashing once beleived would never do something like that. Yeah yeah, some of you "knew all along" but I call BS on that. For personal reasons I started to distance myself from EF about 3-4 months ago, but along with those personal reasons was this type of crap. Not scamming and bashing, but drama. I wasn't coming to EF to learn anymore, I was coming here to see who got bombed, who was pissed at who, etc and thats not what it should be about at all. Karma.....who gives a rats ass about it? I sure don't and thats why I give mine away to guys that give what I feel are helpful and well thought out answers instead of hoarding it. My little way of saying thanks. I don't know if my little novel here will change anybodies views, it was more of just my take on this whole situation. So lets drop all this crap, we were all fooled, you can hate who you want, but go back to what ef is supposed to be about, LEARNING and PROGRESSION. If we don't, it really is just another day in our lives.
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