I have no interest in this one way or another... but for indy to say he had no sort of business relationship with satch is bullshit. How bout getigf.com? I checked that site out just for fun and it was completely obvious that shit was owned by satch... He had a username and he posted as an "admin". When satch disappeared, and coincidently the "admin" stopped posting, the dumbshits that were ordering that stuff finally put two and two together. I remember seeing a thread where satch was trying to gather "research" concerning igf-1, and then two weeks later had a link to getigf and was selling the same igf-1 from omega labs he had been selling for a while on his own site. When it became obvious what the situation was, indy posted covering that shit up for satch, like Indy had no idea wtf was going on. That is the one issue I call bullshit on. It was so obviously a scam its disgusting. I dunno about indy himself, but I do kno that for a while there nearly every post he made for a while was pushing igf-1 from getigf.com real hard. I think that issue certainly needs to be addressed if anyone is to believe indy wasnt in bed with the boogieman. O and for the record, tons of vets on this board have said that the premade igf, like the shit they were selling, was complete bullshit.