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What if I told you that this pro was friends with the late Dan Duchaine. They are also still competing in the top 10 of the Olympia.
Doctors, Doctors, and more Doctors are responsible for the physiques you see at the Olympia.
Yes alot of them guy's haven't got a f**king clue about Biology, but you can be assured the Sports Doctors they visit do.
How do you think they get their roids legally.
F**k what these Lab rats say about estrogen, talking from experience I made my best gains in muscle mass and strength when I started noticing estrogen linked side effects.
Now try and explain that!!!!!
What do you think of the ratio........20:1
Testosterone - Estrodiol
What if I told you that this pro was friends with the late Dan Duchaine. They are also still competing in the top 10 of the Olympia.
Doctors, Doctors, and more Doctors are responsible for the physiques you see at the Olympia.
Yes alot of them guy's haven't got a f**king clue about Biology, but you can be assured the Sports Doctors they visit do.
How do you think they get their roids legally.
F**k what these Lab rats say about estrogen, talking from experience I made my best gains in muscle mass and strength when I started noticing estrogen linked side effects.
Now try and explain that!!!!!
What do you think of the ratio........20:1
Testosterone - Estrodiol
MAD..MACRO and I have posted opinions on this subject before. I understand what you are saying, since I posted information supporting estrogen's effect on anabolism (mostly because some stated that estrogen was not anabolic...which the evidence does not support). BUT even though I understand that estrogen is more important to anabolic processes than most would like to admit, I still understand that estrogen is not something that we can deal with (as of yet). You can't deny that estrogen increases fat distribution to the lower extremities, or that it increases hepatic toxicity, or that it causes gyno, or that it increases prostate growth, etc. These are things that male bodybuilders do not have the luxury to experiment with in order to determine the correct levels. Not one person here wants to get huge at the expense of big titties.
While the evidence does support your position (thanks to the studies in the agricultural field), the reality is that we can't use it (yet).
While the evidence does support your position (thanks to the studies in the agricultural field), the reality is that we can't use it (yet).
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Big Johnson
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INTERESTING THREAD. TOO BAD COMMON SENSE SEEMS TO BE LACKING WITH THE ESTROGEN PROPONENTS. TAKE SOME ESTROGEN NEXT TIME INSTEAD OF TEST AND SEE HOW BIG AND STRONG YOU GET. DUMMY
Slopain
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madmitch said:
LOL They don't get there roids legally man they might get some GH and other legally but for the most part the majority of their AS's are through illegal means. If you really talked to a pro or aspiring pro you will hear them parrot of phrases with buzzwords - ask them to explain it and they can't.
Big Johnson
You are totally missing the point. I'm not saying that estrogen by itself is anabolic.
What I am saying is that you can take all steroids you want, but if you do not have a combined increase in estrogen levels your cycle will give you minimal gains.
If only I could find the figures for hormone levels during puberty which is when you experience the most significant increase in muscle mass, without the use of exogenous steroids. You will find that both Testosterone and estrogen levels are high.
Why do you think women gain so well when they first start taking steroids? I'll bet any money that it is because they are altering their hormone ratios to more closley match that of a pubescent boy's.
This is why women don't need to take as much steroids as a man in the beginning, because they already have higher estrogen levels to begin with.
Where'as a man who injects Testosterone has to rely on his aromatase enzymes to increase his estrogen levels.
You are totally missing the point. I'm not saying that estrogen by itself is anabolic.
What I am saying is that you can take all steroids you want, but if you do not have a combined increase in estrogen levels your cycle will give you minimal gains.
If only I could find the figures for hormone levels during puberty which is when you experience the most significant increase in muscle mass, without the use of exogenous steroids. You will find that both Testosterone and estrogen levels are high.
Why do you think women gain so well when they first start taking steroids? I'll bet any money that it is because they are altering their hormone ratios to more closley match that of a pubescent boy's.
This is why women don't need to take as much steroids as a man in the beginning, because they already have higher estrogen levels to begin with.
Where'as a man who injects Testosterone has to rely on his aromatase enzymes to increase his estrogen levels.
Yes that is why natural gyno occurs in teenagers.
Again you are missing the point, I'm not saying to take estrogen instead of Testosterone DUMMY. But there are steroids that contain Estrodiol.
These have been proven to cause greater growth and pumps than straight Testosterone.
The ratio most of these steroids come in is 20:1
i.e. 20 times more Testosterone than Estrodiol.
The ratio for an adult male is 50:1
Testosterone to Estrogen.
Why would some Drugs company spend millions of dollars researching these drugs? And how did they come up with the 20:1 ratio?
Obviously it was the best combination that would create maximum benifit with minimal side effects.
The Estrodiol is there to counteract the bad side effects of two much Testosterone.
i.e.
Cholesterol problems,
Heart problems,
Diabetes,
Hair loss,
Body Hair growth,
acne,
Osteoporosis,
Prostate problems etc.
This post is dedicated to all the guy's who have been told that the reason they don't grow well on steroids is because of their genetics.
It maybe that you just don't have as many aromatase enzymes as some of the guy's who grow well on steroids. Also if you have high levels of DHT in your body this can block the aromatase enzyme.
Again you are missing the point, I'm not saying to take estrogen instead of Testosterone DUMMY. But there are steroids that contain Estrodiol.
These have been proven to cause greater growth and pumps than straight Testosterone.
The ratio most of these steroids come in is 20:1
i.e. 20 times more Testosterone than Estrodiol.
The ratio for an adult male is 50:1
Testosterone to Estrogen.
Why would some Drugs company spend millions of dollars researching these drugs? And how did they come up with the 20:1 ratio?
Obviously it was the best combination that would create maximum benifit with minimal side effects.
The Estrodiol is there to counteract the bad side effects of two much Testosterone.
i.e.
Cholesterol problems,
Heart problems,
Diabetes,
Hair loss,
Body Hair growth,
acne,
Osteoporosis,
Prostate problems etc.
This post is dedicated to all the guy's who have been told that the reason they don't grow well on steroids is because of their genetics.
It maybe that you just don't have as many aromatase enzymes as some of the guy's who grow well on steroids. Also if you have high levels of DHT in your body this can block the aromatase enzyme.
Anabolicum Mister
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So are you saying that steroids that don't convert to estrogen don't work?
BTW, you won't convince Macro by saying "a doctor said..." either.
BTW, you won't convince Macro by saying "a doctor said..." either.
