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This sucks. I really wanted to try DC training... but my schedule is so hectic I can't follow the workout/rest cycle with any accuracy.

I had never thought about it before... but I have a lot of flexibility in my old training style. If I have meetings... I can do legs on Monday instead of Sunday... etc...

DC is for people who can keep a schedule.
 
This is good information for anyone interested in giving DC a try. Sorry it didn't work out for you, bro.

Bump it up.

Joker
 
That's exactly why my DC posts stopped. Also, I'm still recovering from surgery that limits my training. I'd like to try it in the future whenever things fall into place though.
 
It gives me an idea for the future. If I can ever get a several month stint where I know I am going to have a predictable schedule... I'll be able to give it another run.

Idle speculation - this may be why so many people are adamant that this style of training DOESN'T work... yet others swear it is the best thing on the planet. The simple truth may be that the people who say it doesn't work simply couldn't keep the schedule accurately... while those who got good results could.
 
Who are all these people that are adamant that it doesn't work? You're partly correct about them doing it half-assed, but the people I've seen that say it didn't work did one or more of the following:

1. Did not follow the diet
2. Added more sets, or more frequency (and overtrained)
3. Have not even tried the program (my personal favorite)
 
I prefer my CatPiss program... it has been brought to my attention that CatPiss is an actual person... so I should have to rename my program to....

CatTurd.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
I prefer my CatPiss program... it has been brought to my attention that CatPiss is an actual person... so I should have to rename my program to....

CatTurd.

C-ditty
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can you post a sticky on this routine???
 
Debaser said:
Who are all these people that are adamant that it doesn't work? You're partly correct about them doing it half-assed, but the people I've seen that say it didn't work did one or more of the following:

1. Did not follow the diet
2. Added more sets, or more frequency (and overtrained)
3. Have not even tried the program (my personal favorite)
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I'm one of those who gained poorly from his routine. Too much additional CNS stress.
 
Baoh said:


I'm one of those who gained poorly from his routine. Too much additional CNS stress.
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I don't think you had your heart truly set into this program. I would be interested to see how you performed your routine. By the way, how long did you stay on this routine? If you screw up on a couple of important elements, you run the risk of not making gains.

I am more interested in hearing about the cat piss program.
 
1. Did not follow the diet

ya, that diet is hard to follow when you have a life, i cant eat meat every two hrs.. its too hard

id rather just build massive amounts of strenght for now and worry about size later.. im not worried.. it will come..
 
CatTurd is pretty simple in theory... but very hard in the gym... it involves an extensive variety of stretching that can be somewhat humiliating if you aren't "at one" with your body... :)

CatTurd training is just my training posts... when you get done, you should feel like a catTurd... if not, you didn't fully benefit from the CatTurd program. :)

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
CatTurd is pretty simple in theory... but very hard in the gym... it involves an extensive variety of stretching that can be somewhat humiliating if you aren't "at one" with your body... :)

CatTurd training is just my training posts... when you get done, you should feel like a catTurd... if not, you didn't fully benefit from the CatTurd program. :)

C-ditty
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I want to hear more!!! What are the simple theories? I am not skeptical but interested.:D
 
I am in the process of developing a new training theory.

I am working on the "Vanilla Ice (VI)" principles.

This program is great for losing strength and size!! Anyone interested. . . I will be more and happy to post the program.

Stretching is intense!! If you are not flexible. . .who cares?. . .get someone who can help you get into a certain stretch.

Recommended protein intake is 40 grams per day.

Training sessions are two hours for 7 days per week. Rest is overrated!!

This program does not involve squats or deadlifts. I feel that these are dangerous movements.

Curls can be used to build the triceps and barbell rows can be used as a chest exercise. I don't want to reveal anymore details. . .someone might steal my thoughts!:)
 
louden_swain said:
I am in the process of developing a new training theory.


Recommended protein intake is 40 grams per day.

Training sessions are two hours for 7 days per week. Rest is overrated!!

This program does not involve squats or deadlifts. I feel that these are dangerous movements.
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That shit is pretty funny bro LOL:D
 
That is pretty funny.

Oak, you need to realize that you have to make time. I've worked 70+ hours a week while taking engineering classes and still managed it. You have to want it bad enough. It's part of the game. John Christy (an excellent PT who works for Hardgainer magazine) would prepare all his food in advance and even had a cooler in his van. He worked over 12 hours every day I believe.

But as long as you realize that you'll be gaining at a slower rate, that's fine. Many people would, in your shoes, say that "it doesn't matter" or "I'm gaining just as fast" because they're kidding themselves and don't want to work. BTW, you don't have to "eat" every 2 hours, you can always have a liquid meal :)
 
I'm one of the guys who didn't gain as much as I wanted on DC program. I did his program to the T in 14 weeks and only gained 10 pounds and I was on juice.
 
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I'm one of the guys who didn't gain as much as I wanted on DC program. I did his program to the T in 14 weeks and only gained 10 pounds and I was on juice.

Gee, what a bummer! You "only "gained 10lbs? sound like a good gain to me! I weigh 250 right now..what I wouln't give to gain 10 lbs over the next 14 weeks!
 
louden_swain said:


I don't think you had your heart truly set into this program. I would be interested to see how you performed your routine. By the way, how long did you stay on this routine? If you screw up on a couple of important elements, you run the risk of not making gains.

I am more interested in hearing about the cat piss program.
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I don't think you can judge someone's "heart" by the results he obtained from a workout program. You're off-base.

I performed my routine as delineated in the Cycling for Pennies thread on animalkits.be, and I did it well before it was even introduced to this board. I gave the routine eight weeks. I didn't screw up. Is that the rationalization you use when something you advocate doesn't pan out? That's self-stunting.
 
Baoh said:


I don't think you can judge someone's "heart" by the results he obtained from a workout program. You're off-base.

I performed my routine as delineated in the Cycling for Pennies thread on animalkits.be, and I did it well before it was even introduced to this board. I gave the routine eight weeks. I didn't screw up. Is that the rationalization you use when something you advocate doesn't pan out? That's self-stunting.
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You never stated the reason why it didn't work. I don't see how you couldn't gain any strength or size in eight weeks.
 
louden_swain said:


You never stated the reason why it didn't work. I don't see how you couldn't gain any strength or size in eight weeks.
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Did I not say it imposed too much additional CNS stress on me?
 
Baoh, then if you REALLY payed attention, you would have seen that some people need to either increase rest days or less rest pause and more straight sets for additional recovery time. Freakmonster this may have been your downfall as well. DC talked about a few of his trainees not making very good gains at first, he attributed it to their recovery, inserted more rest days and/or straight sets, and they took off.
 
Debaser said:
Baoh, then if you REALLY payed attention, you would have seen that some people need to either increase rest days or less rest pause and more straight sets for additional recovery time. Freakmonster this may have been your downfall as well. DC talked about a few of his trainees not making very good gains at first, he attributed it to their recovery, inserted more rest days and/or straight sets, and they took off.
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I was doing the MWF routine. I think I had plenty of recovery time. Sometimes I felt I wasn't working my muscles enough.
 
Debaser said:
Baoh, then if you REALLY payed attention, you would have seen that some people need to either increase rest days or less rest pause and more straight sets for additional recovery time. Freakmonster this may have been your downfall as well. DC talked about a few of his trainees not making very good gains at first, he attributed it to their recovery, inserted more rest days and/or straight sets, and they took off.
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Debaser, if you REALLY paid attention, you would notice that I never said I did not adjust (within DC's framework) for increased recovery time. You might say I never mentioned doing so, but you never asked. My experiences echo those of FreakMonster, as well, in that it simply felt like too little work overall. Still, despite that feeling, I bore it out to give the program a fair shake.

I can do ten maximal singles ( this is obviously not DC) on a movement thrice weekly if need be and continue to make gains, so it's not simply time that is the issue. A level of workload was required for me, and it didn't exist under the prescribed routine.
 
If you thought it was too little work, then I don't believe you were training hard enough. Did you focus on adding weight to the bar every single session? Could you not? If you couldn't add weight or reps every single time, then you were overtraining, or not working hard enough. And if you added weight/reps every single time for 8 weeks, how could you say this was not productive?

I don't remember if I asked this before, but how was your diet? Did you have twice your bodyweight in protein every single day (or DAMN near close to it) for those 8 weeks? Lots of healthful fats? Maybe you weren't having enough calories. I'd really like to find out why you weren't gaining very well, out of sheer curiousity. You cite CNS stress being the issue, but if you not only added more rest days, and did straight sets, and didn't feel like you were doing enough work, how in the world could this be overtraxing your CNS? 5 straight sets, rest 2 days, 5 straight sets, rest 2 days etc. is killing your nervous system?
 
Baoh said:


Did I not say it imposed too much additional CNS stress on me?
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Are you back to training with higher volumes? If so, this wouldn't make any since. I don't see how the CNS can become over taxed with 3 training days a week. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to your body would have made it grow.
 
Debaser you gotta chill out, how much is DC paying you ?

The kid obviously didn't like the program, it didn't work for him, and he said so. Enough people have expressed their love for the DC training that when ONE person says it didn't work for them you have to go attack every aspect of what they did just to maintain every single shred of credability. Let it go
 
I'm just curious as to what went wrong. I don't feel that's fair because now a lot of people see this and might think "oh gee my CNS might not recover"

How could you possibly overtax your CNS with only 5 sets? He was just talking about german volume training! 10x10 deads, apparently that wouldn't overdo it!
 
gmanlax7 said:
NC - please to stick to the diet board, i get dumber every time i read one of your posts
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that hat on your head in your avatar looks gayer and gayer and gayer and gayer
 
Debaser said:
If you thought it was too little work, then I don't believe you were training hard enough. Did you focus on adding weight to the bar every single session? Could you not? If you couldn't add weight or reps every single time, then you were overtraining, or not working hard enough. And if you added weight/reps every single time for 8 weeks, how could you say this was not productive?

I don't remember if I asked this before, but how was your diet? Did you have twice your bodyweight in protein every single day (or DAMN near close to it) for those 8 weeks? Lots of healthful fats? Maybe you weren't having enough calories. I'd really like to find out why you weren't gaining very well, out of sheer curiousity. You cite CNS stress being the issue, but if you not only added more rest days, and did straight sets, and didn't feel like you were doing enough work, how in the world could this be overtraxing your CNS? 5 straight sets, rest 2 days, 5 straight sets, rest 2 days etc. is killing your nervous system?
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Paragraph 1- You can choose to not believe whatever you wish. Yes. I could and did. The goal was size, my diet was higher than even DC suggests, and it produced poorly in that realm. I lost almost ten pounds, had an overtaxed CNS, was no leaner, and was definitely no larger.

Paragraph 2- My metabolism is high, and I went well beyond what even I need, which is higher than DC suggests. More. Yes. I drank olive oil, flax, and fish oil, as well as eating other sources of good fats before I had ever even heard of DC. I have determined that the act of failure is what causes the CNS taxation, not simply sets or reps.
 
louden_swain said:


Are you back to training with higher volumes? If so, this wouldn't make any since. I don't see how the CNS can become over taxed with 3 training days a week. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to your body would have made it grow.
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Actually, it makes perfectly fine sense. The error is assuming that volume is what taxes the CNS, when that is not the case (up to an individually attuned point, of course).

Agreed. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to my body is what makes it grow. That is why DC fails to produce for me. If I listen to my body, DC is not what I should do.
 
Debaser said:
I'm just curious as to what went wrong. I don't feel that's fair because now a lot of people see this and might think "oh gee my CNS might not recover"

How could you possibly overtax your CNS with only 5 sets? He was just talking about german volume training! 10x10 deads, apparently that wouldn't overdo it!
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It's not "fair"?! lol Wouldn't want any "disbelievers", right? Now, have some Kool-aid, Jim Jones. ;)

I just explained why to the other fellow asking questions. Look there if you like.
 
What exactly were these outside forces contributing to your CNS being overworked? If an outside influence is marring your training, then you shouldn't blame the training. That's like saying you run 40 miles a week and your training isn't letting you put on mass.
 
Debaser said:
What exactly were these outside forces contributing to your CNS being overworked? If an outside influence is marring your training, then you shouldn't blame the training. That's like saying you run 40 miles a week and your training isn't letting you put on mass.
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Sarin.







Just kidding.

I have an overly potent neural response to stressors. I can get a fight or flight reaction going from things much lesser than normal. Also, that can manifest itself as some kind of anxiety. There's more to this, too, and some parts of it have benefits (I tend to be able to generate more strength at will), but all that remains is minutia.

I exist in this state as I am. I don't impose it. Therefore, the training is not fit for me. Failure, really. Not any other part of the routine.

Failure is a waste of CNS recovery.
 
SofaGeorge said:
This sucks. I really wanted to try DC training... but my schedule is so hectic I can't follow the workout/rest cycle with any accuracy.

I had never thought about it before... but I have a lot of flexibility in my old training style. If I have meetings... I can do legs on Monday instead of Sunday... etc...

DC is for people who can keep a schedule.
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I am not going to turn into DC Jehovah's WItness but one of the aspects I like about it is the flexibility. If once in a while something comes up on Monday, I move that days workout to SUnday. If I am exhausted on Friday, maybe I bounce that days workout to Saturday.

I found my old 4 day split much less flexible
 
In terms of flexibility. . . I think DC training meets this criteria.

For example, you may be busy with something else on Monday, Wednesday, or Friday, so why not train on Sunday, Tuesday, or Thursday?

I think the important thing is to follow high intensity techniques, stretching, and diet. . .they are all crucial elements in the DC program.
 
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