IGF-1 R3 Results Are In: My Test Cycle

[Silent Method]

I don't have much time tonight so this'll be short.

I bought what was labeled as 1 mg of Long IGF-1 R3 disolved in 1 ml of BA. I ran 30 mcgs per day M-F. It lasted only 23 days. I was very carefull with my measure, so I'm sure the full ML was not there. No telling the actual dosage of IGF, assuming it was in there, that I was really shooting.

To be fair, I had a cold for a week and took 4 normal training days off.

I kept an isocaloric diet at my maintanace (except for my ice cream eating sick days) level and continued previous training patterns in the effort to reduce other variables influencing the results.

Basically, I stayed the same weight, muscles stayed pumped and full, and I lost a bit of fat. An interesting effect, my balls seemed to be especially "full." To be honest, I think it worked fairly well for a bit of a body comp change. To be totally honest, I also believe the placebo effect could yield similar results, so who really knows.




I thnk the stuff has great potential - but not at it's current price.

Let me say that again - I think IGF-1 long R3 may be great, but the sketchy state of the products on the market, it is not worth what people are asking IMO.

I think it may shine in the future. For now, I say the BB community demands the price be lowered and high standards for the products be established. We need some testing and further assesment.


Had I to do do it all over again, I'd be on a cycle of var and primo for the money I dished out.

Later...

 

[ruffian3]

So you got jipped out of 11 days. Thats shady.

 

[haxedout]

slient.. get back to me bro...

haxed

 

[kbrkbr]

SM, thanks so much for your feedback bro. I've been waiting for exactly this kind of insight.

Glad I waited.

 

[cells]

I have also run IFG-1...I did see good results but I had put it in with a heavy cycle...I was hungry all the time and very tired....Silent did you feel either of these? I got mine from cyber solutions and paid $250 for 1ml....

There are so many different stories to really know if this stuff is solid.....I dont know how some say it is better than gh and some say it is not worth a damn.....somebody is not telling the truth...But I dont know who because my resluts were in the middle..

 

[Silent Method]

IMO, the bottom line is this: The market for this stuff is sketchy and products being sold are overpriced!

It's a crap shoot right now fellas. I believe it has potential. Hopefully the market will become more favorable.

 

[The Terminator]

Much like I did with Fina...I'll wait for you guys to try it out for me...
The feedback here was appreciated SM...

 

[[email protected]]

I think IGF-1 is a lot like GH in the fact you can get some results while using it alone, but you don't get the real benefits unless you stack it with gear.

 

[BonerBoy]

IMO, the bottom line is this: The market for this stuff is sketchy and products being sold are overpriced!

It's a crap shoot right now fellas. I believe it has potential. Hopefully the market will become more favorable.

I think if you check out who you are buying from, it does'nt have to be a crap shoot, I know how much it goes for wholesale and I would say the markup is'nt any higher than any other consumable

the mark-up for Igf1 l-r3 is about 3x wholesale, the mark-up for a lb of bacon or a dominoes pizza is about 4x wholesale

I'm still waiting to see what everyone says in a couple mo's from now

 

[Waynegro]

I stacked my IGF-1 with gear, and I didnt notice much. Like everyone said, save your money for real gear at this point.

 

[BonerBoy]

waynegro, how old are you?

 

[muscleup]

to much money...I think I will just try insulin instead

 

[Silent Method]

I think if you check out who you are buying from, it does'nt have to be a crap shoot, I know how much it goes for wholesale and I would say the markup is'nt any higher than any other consumable

the mark-up for Igf1 l-r3 is about 3x wholesale, the mark-up for a lb of bacon or a dominoes pizza is about 4x wholesale

I've seen 10 mg of long IGF-1 R3 listed wholesale for as low as $400. I agree that this is pretty low. Still, if you find 1 mg marked up for only 3X that ($120), let me know.

 

[jboldman]

Its too bad really, if some of the suppliers would be willing to settle for a quick 100% markup at a $1,000 level, that would be a good margin of profit for a non-scheduled drug!

jb

 

[BonerBoy]

I've seen 10 mg of long IGF-1 R3 listed wholesale for as low as $400. I agree that this is pretty low. Still, if you find 1 mg marked up for only 3X that ($120), let me know.

theres some kind of mistake there, igf 1 r3 is all produced in one lab and 20 mgs go for $1650

 

[kdiddy]

Just because you did not see great results did not mean that it was bunk or underdosed. It has a lot to do with the amount of IGF binding proteins you body has. Cybersol makes a great product.

 

[Silent Method]

theres some kind of mistake there, igf 1 r3 is all produced in one lab and 20 mgs go for $1650

A nearby university medical research lab buys 10 mg quantities for $400 a pop. I'd assume they'd have caught it if it was a scam.

 

[Silent Method]

Just because you did not see great results did not mean that it was bunk or underdosed. It has a lot to do with the amount of IGF binding proteins you body has. Cybersol makes a great product.

Actually, I think fat loss coupled with lean gain (as evidenced by my body comp analysis) ARE GREAT RESULTS. I would LOVE to have a freezer FULL of the stuff. However, at this point in time I'm not willing, nor ABLE to dish out what I paid for more anytime soon.
As for dosage - no, there is no way I could tell the dose. The volume of the solution, however, was less than 1 ml. Bare in mind I'm not pointing any fingers at the particular product I got. If the growth fairy laid vouchers for 10 free vials under my pillow tonight, I'd run stright back to my same suppier.

I gave my thoughts. Want my advice? Everyone who can, go buy and try this stuff. Better yet, utilize one common source. I welcome all the assessment we can muster.

 

[BonerBoy]

A nearby university medical research lab buys 10 mg quantities for $400 a pop. I'd assume they'd have caught it if it was a scam.

I'm not saying it was a scam i'm saying that there must have been a mistake on which product you seen listed for $400

g**p**is the only place tha t manufactures the Human LongTMR3IGF-I (Media Grade)

I will pm you the a link to the site and you can see for yourself

 

[Silent Method]

I'm not saying it was a scam i'm saying that there must have been a mistake on which product you seen listed for $400

g**p**is the only place tha t manufactures the Human LongTMR3IGF-I (Media Grade)

I will pm you the a link to the site and you can see for yourself

Interesting link. What leads you to believe they are the only source manufacturing the product? I've seen chem supply links doing my own digging that had it for less. I visited the university med research lab where a friend is a student. Their source is in India.


Regardless, for a guy who has to struggle to budget his food every week, IGF is not cost effective for me at this time.

 

[BonerBoy]

Interesting link. What leads you to believe they are the only source manufacturing the product? I've seen chem supply links doing my own digging that had it for less. I visited the university med research lab where a friend is a student. Their source is in India.


Regardless, for a guy who has to struggle to budget his food every week, IGF is not cost effective for me at this time.

could you send me the links?

whats the name of the company in India?

 

[Silent Method]

Oh boy, the sites I found took hours to track down and I didn't do it on this computer. I'll look for the links on my other computer this weekend, but because the companies were selling only to labs I don't think I saved them. I cannot remember the name of the company in India but I'll try to get that too.

 

[BonerBoy]

g****p's scientists engineered Human LongTMR3IGF-I (Media Grade) and have the patents on it

I copied this from their website and this leads me to believe they are the only one manufacturing it

Description: G****p scientists have produced Media Grade human LongTMR3IGF-I to provide an inexpensive yet high quality potent IGF-I analog for use as a growth factor supplement for serum-free or reduced-serum culture media. G****p scientists have engineered this analog with the express purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF-I molecule. LongTMR3IGF-I is significantly more potent than human IGF-I in vitro. The enhanced potency is due to decreased binding of LongTMR3IGF-I to IGF binding proteins which normally inhibit the biological actions of IGFs.

Long is a trade mark owned by G****p Limited

LongTMR3IGF-I is covered by the following patents assigned to G****p:
US patent 5,330,971; European patent 429,586; Japanese patent 2,682,738; Australian patent 633,099; Canadian patent 2,033,176;

 

[Silent Method]

Interesting. I'd wager the cheaper foreign sources have simply violated patent rights. Makes me wonder about the prospect of injecting the foreign product as well.

 

[BonerBoy]

Interesting. I'd wager the cheaper foreign sources have simply violated patent rights. Makes me wonder about the prospect of injecting the foreign product as well.

A

I realy doubt a university medical research lab is going to buy counterfit lab materials because:

1) they are doing research and to publish a legitimate study they would need to be able to reproduce the the exact results using the same protocol as was used in the original study

2) if a study is published it would be evident that they had not obeyed the us patent laws and someone would be subject to the penalties

3) the price on these materials is considered cheap in relation to the cost of a study and I doubt if any university scientist would want to jeopardize the integrity of their work in order to save a couple of dollars that does'nt come out of his pocket anyway

QUOTE]Originally posted by Silent Method

A nearby university medical research lab buys 10 mg quantities for $400 a pop. I'd assume they'd have caught it if it was a scam. [/QUOTE]

like I said earlier, I think you made a mistake in looking at the product that you seen listed

 

[Silent Method]

Good points, but not all research is formally documented and published. A good deal of lab work is in house tinkering.

However, some of the factors you have stated above are reasons why I said I'd have thought they'd have caught a fake product in the first place. I can say with confidence that the lab in question would not knowingly make illegal purchases.

I don't believe I did mistake the product as I was pretty honed in on looking for the long R3. I will try to confirm this on the weekend.

 

[OXANDRIN]

when talking about igf-1 r3.....

there are 2 grades.... human and animal

 

[plornive]

The grade nearly everyone is getting is media/animal. Receptor grade is just too expensive for most.

 

[BonerBoy]

when talking about igf-1 r3.....

there are 2 grades.... human and animal

thats not true, there is media grade and receptor grade

media grade is cheaper

they would'nt call it: Human LongTMR3IGF-I (Media Grade) if it was realy some type of animal grade

scientists usualy use it in human cell culture growth research

Description: G****p scientists have produced Media Grade human LongTMR3IGF-I to provide an inexpensive yet high quality potent IGF-I analog for use as a growth factor supplement for serum-free or reduced-serum culture media. G****p scientists have engineered this analog with the express purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF-I molecule. LongTMR3IGF-I is significantly more potent than human IGF-I in vitro. The enhanced potency is due to decreased binding of LongTMR3IGF-I to IGF binding proteins which normally inhibit the biological actions of IGFs.

Long is a trade mark owned by G****p Limited

LongTMR3IGF-I is covered by the following patents assigned to G****p:
US patent 5,330,971; European patent 429,586; Japanese patent 2,682,738; Australian patent 633,099; Canadian patent 2,033,176;

 

[BonerBoy]

The grade nearly everyone is getting is media/animal. Receptor grade is just too expensive for most.

media and receptor grade are both human grades used in human cell culture growth

on the website they dont specify the exact difference between the two or wether or not one is more active or potent than the other, I think the only difference is going to be noticed in the test tube

both grades have disclaimers saying:

Not intended for use in humans

 

[plornive]

media and receptor grade are both human grades used in human cell culture growth

on the website they dont specify the exact difference between the two or wether or not one is more active or potent than the other, I think the only difference is going to be noticed in the test tube

both grades have disclaimers saying:

Not intended for use in humans

In Gropep literature, media grade is more or less referred to as "animal" grade. Of course, it is still called HUMAN long R3... I never inferred that it was meant for "animal receptors".

 

[Mini Viper]

SM-

Sounds ok as you menitoned with the body comp change but the product didn't sound as good as it hyped up to be. I guess like you said more testing would need to be done and definitely the price has to change!!!

Peace

 

[Silent Method]

SM-

Sounds ok as you menitoned with the body comp change but the product didn't sound as good as it hyped up to be. I guess like you said more testing would need to be done and definitely the price has to change!!!

Peace

Like I said, I do believe this stuff has great potential. I'd love to try it at a higher dose for a full 30 day run. I'd also like to see what it can do post-cycle. However, the price is simply prohibitive for me.

 

[BonerBoy]

In Gropep literature, media grade is more or less referred to as "animal" grade. Of course, it is still called HUMAN long R3... I never inferred that it was meant for "animal receptors".

I'm calling BullShit

copy that literature here and show me where they refer their
human LongTMR3IGF as an "animal grade", neither grade is intended for human use or animal use for that matter

its intended use is in cell culture growth research

this is another case of someone reading one post by another person and then someone else claiming it as a fact

 

[plornive]

Hmmm, I just looked at the literature, and it refers to everything as Animal/Media EXCEPT lr3 igf 1. So maybe I'm wrong. But anyway, I think the only reason they refer to anything as "animal" grade is that it is cheaper, more suited to use on an animal. No biggie anyway.

Also, I didn't get that idea from any posts. I looked up some Gropep literature.

 

[plornive]

In one piece of literature:
"Our Receptor Grade reagents are our highest purity while the Animal/Media Grade is ideally suited for applications where large quantities of high purity yet cost-effective material is required."

In a price list:
Human IGF-I
...
Animal/Media Grade:
....
.
.
.
LongTm R3 IGF-I
...
Media Grade:
...
.
.
.

Anyway, it is clear that Media Grade has basicaly the same meaning as Animal Grade. So let's toss the semantics and get down to business.

 

[BonerBoy]

In one piece of literature:
"Our Receptor Grade reagents are our highest purity while the Animal/Media Grade is ideally suited for applications where large quantities of high purity yet cost-effective material is required."

In a price list:
Human IGF-I
...
Animal/Media Grade:
....
.
.
.
LongTm R3 IGF-I
...
Media Grade:
...
.
.
.

you are being a fuck head, you made that shit up

no scientist would ever label something as an "animal grade" to distinguish between humans

did'nt you make it past 6th grde science? humans ARE animals you stupid fuck

You should be banned for making that shit up and posting this shit as something that was actualy posted on their site

Anyway, it is clear that Media Grade has basicaly the same meaning as Animal Grade. So let's toss the semantics and get down to business.

media grade has nothing to do with "animals" you are just making shit up

semantics have nothing to do with it either, you are posting pure Bullshit and calling it a fact and are doing nothing to help anyone by spreading shit around that has no truth to it what so ever

 

[plornive]

you are being a fuck head, you made that shit up

no scientist would ever label something as an "animal grade" to distinguish between humans

did'nt you make it past 6th grde science? humans ARE animals you stupid fuck

You should be banned for making that shit up and posting this shit as something that was actualy posted on their site


media grade has nothing to do with "animals" you are just making shit up

semantics have nothing to do with it either, you are posting pure Bullshit and calling it a fact and are doing nothing to help anyone by spreading shit around that has no truth to it what so ever

Simmer down Boner.

Let me post pics of the literature just to demonstrate what a triggerhappy zealot you are.

 

[plornive]

There are plenty more with "Animal/Media Grade".

 

[plornive]

Here is the Human Long R3 IGF-I. As I stated before, it says "Media Grade", not "Animal/Media Grade".

You are a jackass.

 

[BonerBoy]

You are a jackass.

Ok I admit it, I am a jackass, alert the media

we are talking about human LongTMR3IGF-I btw

 

[plornive]

What I posted before is the same thing, but the "human" is left out. Here's another list where they include it.

Hmmm, I don't think I really trust what you say about long r3 igf1 anymore.

 

[BonerBoy]

Hmmm, I don't think I really trust what you say about long r3 igf1 anymore.

nor I you

 

[jboldman]

And in this squabble, SM's post is being forgotten and ignored, go find your own thread to argue on, sheesh!

SM, you are right that it is expensive, all it would take is someone who wants to get involved and it could be sold for $150/mg for the media grade with a great profit margin. That would get the price down to where more would try it. i am currently going thru 2mg's myself to see how it works. I'll let you know. BTW, i think you were probably not shortshchanged, it is incredibly easy to misjudge the amount in the shot, hell, just the amount in the pin could lead to a significant difference.

jb

 

[Silent Method]

you are being a fuck head, you made that shit up

no scientist would ever label something as an "animal grade" to distinguish between humans

did'nt you make it past 6th grde science? humans ARE animals you stupid fuck

You should be banned for making that shit up and posting this shit as something that was actualy posted on their site


media grade has nothing to do with "animals" you are just making shit up

semantics have nothing to do with it either, you are posting pure Bullshit and calling it a fact and are doing nothing to help anyone by spreading shit around that has no truth to it what so ever

For what possible reason did you break down and become a jerk here? Semantics have everything to do with is as it is the semantics you have chosen to argue. Plornive chose to use Gropep's own semantics. He was not being a jerk in doing so. He was simply attempting to distinguish between two grades of the product in relation to price.

 

[Silent Method]

SM, you are right that it is expensive, all it would take is someone who wants to get involved and it could be sold for $150/mg for the media grade with a great profit margin. That would get the price down to where more would try it. i am currently going thru 2mg's myself to see how it works. I'll let you know. BTW, i think you were probably not shortshchanged, it is incredibly easy to misjudge the amount in the shot, hell, just the amount in the pin could lead to a significant difference.

jb

I may have misjudged, but I was pretty carefull with my measure.

Something I must add - it's now been a week since the run. My weight has made a two pound jump which has proven consistant this week. Perhaps being sick the near the end of the cycle masked some lean mass gain? I've been very happy with my performance in the gym and my muscles still feel very full.

 

[BonerBoy]

For what possible reason did you break down and become a jerk here? Semantics have everything to do with is as it is the semantics you have chosen to argue. Plornive chose to use Gropep's own semantics. He was not being a jerk in doing so. He was simply attempting to distinguish between two grades of the product in relation to price.

I thought he was being a jerk at the time, my bad

I thought he was trying to say that media grade was intended to be used in animals and receptor grade was intended to be used in humans

I dont believe that is the case

I admit I was out of line with my response to plornive and I appologise

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Had I to do do it all over again, I'd be on a cycle of var and primo for the money I dished out.

I agree... a Test/Var cycle would have turned your build into cement.

Tried and true Brother.

 

[Silent Method]

I thought he was being a jerk at the time, my bad

I thought he was trying to say that media grade was intended to be used in animals and receptor grade was intended to be used in humans

I dont believe that is the case

I admit I was out of line with my response to plornive and I appologise

That's refreshing to hear. Long R3 IGF-1 is new to most of us - and the subject is not made more lucid by the fact that the stuff simply has no real clinical history in real, athlete models. At this stage of the game it seems that part of the task for those of us in the BB community is to sift through the semantics and figure out what's what.






BTW SCOTTY my bro, I may be looking into winny for my first time. Looking for SCOTTY-like hardness!