IGF-1 Cycle

[zyzyz]

28 - 6'0 - 195 mornng weight - single digit body fat.

I lift for aestetics over mass. Have ran 4 cycles previosly, all of which have been Test Prop, Tren Ace, Mast Prop, and Winstrol. Looking to try IGF-1 LR3 as a bridge inbetween cycles. Got a couple questions.

I will be dosing 100mcg daily before bed for 4-6 weeks.

What kind of nutritional and supplement gameplan should I follow at this time? I typically consume 2 scoops of casein protein mixed with 2 cups unsweetened vanilla almond milk before bed. I also take 10g of glutamine at this time. Is this fine, or would you change this or add something to it?

I typically follow a medium to low carb diet, and not a lot of carbs at night. Is this style of diet sufficent for IGF-1? Also, do I have to worry about going hypo if I do not consume carbs after the shot?

Finally, I know that results vary from person to person, but what types of results should I see? I will be eating at maintance calories with typical body bodybuilding training. I am looking for improved muscle recovery, pumps, fat loss, and strentgh gains.

Thank you for your time.

 

[ALIN]

I would try it during the day at least at 1st.
IGF1 LR3 made me go hypo if I wasn't eating every
2 hours or so.

 

[Elvia1023]

What form of IGF-1 will you be using? Just standard IGF-1 (not lr3 or des)?

 

[zyzyz]

Lr3

 

[Elvia1023]

I would start it pre or post workout. If pre make sure you have an intra shake of EAA's and some fast carbs (dextrose, HBCD's, Vitargo etc). If post then a shake or large meal consisting of protein and carbs. You will likely be fine but just incase do that. Over time you could swop it to pre bed but I would eat before you go to sleep. Pre bed meal should be protein and carbs with fat added to slow down it's absorption. An example could be a micellar casein shake with powdered oats and peanut butter (or olive oil). Another one could be greek yoghurt with pineapple. If your yoghurt is lower in fat add some walnuts to the meal.

I would inject 50mcg bi-laterally in the muscle you want to improve most. LR3 does go systemic too. If you can I strongly advise you to inj the 50mcg in 5 injs spread across the muscle so 10 injs total. I use the same slin for all 5 but some prefer to use 2-3 pins (4-6 for the 10 injs).

If you want pumps inject it pre workout

 

[zyzyz]

That sounds like a lot of pinning. I was just planning on subq.

I've read that dosing IGF-1 pre-workout will blunt the bodies natural MGF release, and that MGF is a key factor in the effectiveness of IGF-1. That is why I was planning it before bed. I also heard going before bed was great for fat loss and recomp, and the pumps the next day are extreme. I understand it would be smarter to use durng the day first though to see how I react, so I will go that route first. How long do I wait after injection to eat, and is there a certain carb ratio to follow?

 

[Elvia1023]

That sounds like a lot of pinning. I was just planning on subq.

I've read that dosing IGF-1 pre-workout will blunt the bodies natural MGF release, and that MGF is a key factor in the effectiveness of IGF-1. That is why I was planning it before bed. I also heard going before bed was great for fat loss and recomp, and the pumps the next day are extreme. I understand it would be smarter to use durng the day first though to see how I react, so I will go that route first. How long do I wait after injection to eat, and is there a certain carb ratio to follow?

Pre bed is a great system. But yes start it in the day to see how you react. By using micro injs it helps it stay localized. Sure it is a lot of pinning but with slin pins IM you barely feel it. Don't worry about it though and one 50mcg each side will be gtg. Once you get used to it and see how you respond the pre bed route will be good but make sure you eat afterwards. Don't worry about carb ratios etc. Although I think a good pre bed meal would be 40 protein, 70 carbs and 20 fat.

 

[zyzyz]

Thanks for the help!

That is a mighty big meal before bed..

 

[Elvia1023]

Thanks for the help!

That is a mighty big meal before bed..

What other time do you go 6-9 hours without food. A big meal pre bed is not a bad thing... although that is not that big of a meal. You are lean too so it will only do you good

Lots of nutritious food and high carbs on LR3 is only a good thing. I will be starting an LR3 run myself very soon and plan to really go for it. I will be dosing 100mcg eod to begin with (I think eod is best with LR3).

 

[zyzyz]

I've always gone by the standard "no carbs at night", and then slow digesting casein before bed. I typically eat my 2 largest meals pre and post workout, and those are in the mid afternoon. Maybe I will start adding some oat or sweet potatoe powder and mac oil to my pre bed shake and see what it can do for me.

Do you follow the 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off rule with IGF-1? Or do you think it can be ran longer?

If I run the IGF-1 pre-workout, should I add MGF to the protocol as soon as I get done lifting?

 

[Elvia1023]

I've always gone by the standard "no carbs at night", and then slow digesting casein before bed. I typically eat my 2 largest meals pre and post workout, and those are in the mid afternoon. Maybe I will start adding some oat or sweet potatoe powder and mac oil to my pre bed shake and see what it can do for me.

Do you follow the 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off rule with IGF-1? Or do you think it can be ran longer?

If I run the IGF-1 pre-workout, should I add MGF to the protocol as soon as I get done lifting?

It won't really matter if you use LR3 as it is active for a long time. I would run them eod and rotate so LR3, PEG MGF, LR3, PEG MGF etc. I think 4 weeks in a nice amount of time but I don't have a limit but that sounds about right.

Timing off macros is very important but all that don't eat carbs at night or you will get fat is nonsense. Although I do think protein and fat pre bed is best. But if I were using LR3 then I would definitely add carbs. Carbs will help with sleep and keep you looking full. Mac oil would be a great addition.

 

[zyzyz]

Now that I have been reading more about the combo of IGF-1 LR3 and PEG-MGF, it is making me want to try it. How does this sound..

IGF-1 LR3 - 100mcg/day dosed first thing in the morning, followed by breakfast.

Should the protein and carbs be slow or fast digestng? So, eggs and oats or whey and dextrose? Or maybe a combination of the two? Thinking maybe a small shake with 25g whey, and 25g dextrose with BCAA's and then 20-30 minutes later have the eggs and oats..

Also, should I keep fat to a minium for this meal?

Peg-MGF - 200mcg/day dosed 1 hour after training, inbetween my post workout shake, and post workout meal. I workout usually around 2 or 3pm. Meals will consist of whey and dextrose, and then chicken, quinoa, and broc.

Sorry about the questions. Just want to make sure I do this right and get the most out of it.

 

[zyzyz]

Bump for more feedback, thanks.

 

[Elvia1023]

Now that I have been reading more about the combo of IGF-1 LR3 and PEG-MGF, it is making me want to try it. How does this sound..

IGF-1 LR3 - 100mcg/day dosed first thing in the morning, followed by breakfast.

Should the protein and carbs be slow or fast digestng? So, eggs and oats or whey and dextrose? Or maybe a combination of the two? Thinking maybe a small shake with 25g whey, and 25g dextrose with BCAA's and then 20-30 minutes later have the eggs and oats..

Also, should I keep fat to a minium for this meal?

Peg-MGF - 200mcg/day dosed 1 hour after training, inbetween my post workout shake, and post workout meal. I workout usually around 2 or 3pm. Meals will consist of whey and dextrose, and then chicken, quinoa, and broc.

Sorry about the questions. Just want to make sure I do this right and get the most out of it.

Yes PEG would be better as it is active for much longer. Look out for my log in about 1 week as I will be running that exact combo

I would have slow digesting carbs and protein throughout the day apart from during or after your workout. During breakfast you could add in some simple carbs too (I recommend it). It only has to be a small amount to go with the LR3. I would recommend something as simple as honey or coconut sugar. Either of those could be put in your oats, a protein shake or in a tea/coffee. I recommend using good quality food items over powders when you can... but I love my powders too.

Your plan looks fine but if it were me I would rotate them eod as I suggested above. If you want to run them the same day then do your plan or do PEG MGF post workout and LR3 pre bed just before your last meal (protein, complex carbs and fat).

 

[zyzyz]

Thanks for all the help.

I will be starting this Monday if everything arrives. Going to play with dosage timing to see what I like best. Going to start the IGF-1 first thing in the morning, and then Peg-MGF 1 hour after training. Hopefully will make the change to IGF-1 before bed once I get a sense of how I react.