ifbb pro vs normal guy on gear

[robscottflex]

Ever watch a video of say cutler and he only does half or quarter reps and is huge as fuck. Why is that? You never see ronnie doing bp and going all the way up, just up a bit down up a bit down, then rack.

Smeone give me some insight on this trainibg principal and why does it work so damn good for them?

P.S. I love karma

 

[sterolizer]

Ever watch a video of say cutler and he only does half or quarter reps and is huge as fuck. Why is that? You never see ronnie doing bp and going all the way up, just up a bit down up a bit down, then rack.

Smeone give me some insight on this trainibg principal and why does it work so damn good for them?

P.S. I love karma

Not going all the way up, makes it so your not locking out, which keeps more strain on the muscles, therefor creating more of a contraction working the muscle harder. Am I right?

 

[robscottflex]

That's what I think is going on but doesn't that go against everything we were taught when we first started?

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Not going all the way up, makes it so your not locking out, which keeps more strain on the muscles, therefor creating more of a contraction working the muscle harder. Am I right?

Thats exactly right. You want to keep constant pressure on the muscle and keep it contracted as much as possible during your reps. The contraction leads to more peak as well as more blood flow alowing more nutrients to enter the desired muscle. Focus more on form and going slow with the weight. Do it light and do it right. Locking your arms only puts more stress and strain on your joints, tendons and cartilage.

Say for example, were talking about Barbell flat bench. Lets think about the muscles used. Front deltoids, Pecs, Abs, Triceps are the main muscle groups. Your grip should be shoulder width apart, feet planted, back arched. After picking the weight up off the rack, u should NEVER lock your arms out, but keep your elbows bent slightly slowly lowering the weight until your arms are bent 90*. Then back up to the starting position with your elbows slightly bent. You should never go past the 90* mark nor should u ever hit your chest with the bar. Past the 90* point, and your using no chest, but all triceps and shoulders. This is bad form. Everyone knows bouncing the bar is terrible form, nuff said. Once past the mark then your chest will come back into play. Bad form leads to injury, insufficient muscle growth, and str8 up, a waste of time for the trainee.

I have talked to many people, body builders, trainers, every day joes and gym rats. Best results are medium to moderate weight at 8-12 reps, with perfect form, working the muscle desired within its range of motion. Pretty sure that anyone would agree with that!

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Plus if your on as much gear as say cutler, coleman, etc... Any kind of weight you do will give you great gains. And their bodies are so tight, that i doubt they can do a full rep. lol... Colemans so called 12 tribulus a day cycle really amounts to what u do in a cycle, he does in a week! And they rarely cycle off! only tren, Npp, Deca, Orals. Test year round, HGH, Peptides, Insulin. Gotta pay to play! And buy pay, i mean with liver failure and almost guarenteed health problems in the future

 

[TcChino]

^^^dayum

 

[robscottflex]

Who knows of or has heard 2nd hand(close 2nd hand) info on what a pro cycle is like...I watched cutler eat 5 to 8 lbs of fish a day....and that wasn't all he was eating!

 

[tren test nut]

Remember one thing. Some of these guys at this size have bad flexability. Some have excellent flexability. And at this size some physically can not bend to the normal either. In my own experience I was always a very flexible guy. While not as big as cutler Im not small either. While Im all jacked up I cant even get my arms behind my back. I need a loofa on a stick to shower. LOL!! Coleman and cutler may need similar just to wipe their asses. LOL!!
The other thing is at these levels as far as pros go and pay to play goes. They make their money off endorsements just like Jordan did. For instance here where I live I knew a Guy who was Mr.Illinois and he won other contests got his pro card etc... Back when Cybergenics was around he had a contract with them and was their poster boy. They paid him over $200,000.00 US dollars back in the mid 90's to say he used their supplements to look like that. I assure you it wasnt cybergenics that done that! I always got a huge laugh. But on another hand it really encouraged you guys to get into the sport of BB/Powerlifting.

 

[tren test nut]

Muscle grows with Time under tension. Period. You make much better gains with controlled movements a brief pause and a slow negative. The guys back in the high school days that could bench 315 only did(or most only did) using the ass off the bench(like a decline banch posistion) limiting their movements to the shortest possible and they would slam/bounce weight off themselves and say "I just did it". Yet they couldnt bench their own weight if they done it properly. I try to stick with the 3second negative and 2 second positive with a quick pause at the bottom of a movement. I started making much better gains way back once I done this. Its always quality vs. quantity in life. Clean clean clean movements and time under tension.

 

[tren test nut]

it works well for them coz wen ur loaded on grams upon grams of steroids ANYTHING will make you grow

dont get confused thinking its how these guys train that gets them huge, very little of there physique is determined by how they train

genetics and drugs are really 2 biggest factors why there huge

Your right on that. If ya dont have the genetics then you aint gonna grow no matter what ya put in your body. Very valid point!

 

[UA_Iron]

it works well for them coz wen ur loaded on grams upon grams of steroids ANYTHING will make you grow

dont get confused thinking its how these guys train that gets them huge, very little of there physique is determined by how they train

genetics and drugs are really 2 biggest factors why there huge

Not true bro. They put a ton of time and dedication into the gym.

When you're on year round like they are, 30iu's of GH/day, slin, etc etc then you're gonna be less sensitive to training routines, but they have it nailed down.

I like your sig by the way.

 

[superflex02]

do you really beleieve that? nailing a rotuine is wat got them that big? and time in the gym?

i bet if any of us followed there routines we wouldnt look half as them, and not becoz of genetics

they may put a ton of time into the gym and eating but lets face it most of us in here do aswell, and we are no where near there size

i dont beleive IFBB bodybuilding is about hard work and dedication, most guys in a gym or on this forum who are dedicated put alot fo thought and dedication into there workouts

i find it hard to believe GEnetics and hard work are the reasons why these guys are so big

lets face it like you said 30ius of GH, insulin, synthol, 3 grams of test, gram of tren, some orals and gram of deca and who knows wat else there using

can u really say that its there hard work that gets them to that size wen there using this amount of drugs?

i hear guys say 'if you were to use the amount of drugs pros did, you woudlnt look anywhere near close to them'

hoeweer i havent people use this amount of drugs, and those i know who do or use close to it, are all pros or high level bodybuilders

which kind of leads me to think, if ya can eat and train, then your drug dosages are the determining factor of how big you become

after all the more drugs/steroids that have come out the bigger bodybuilders have become, ironis dont you think?

the worst is the synthol use in th sport, look at any old bodybuilding competion videos before the 90s and ull notice almost every bodybuilder has a weak bodypart AND only 1-2 guys on stage actually realy ever had a shot fo winning the mr olympia

now forward to the 90s and recent bodybuilding years, everyone forearms are monsterous, everyone has huge calves, huge medial delts, high and huge bicep peaks, popping lats,, sweeping inner quads etc,

ironic how the hardest bodyparts to develop due to genetic flaws are all huge on every IFBB bodybuilder now, wen befpore every IFBB pro still suffered a weak bodypart

IMO of course, but it think if you took a good look youd see wat im talking about

(lol thanks first one to actually like my sig)

They damn sure cant take all those steroids and go lift 100pounds for 20minutes and get that big. Of course they put in hard work, to say they don't is just stupid. The proper thing to say is it's a balance of hard work/diet/genetics/steroids. You take out any of those factors and they aren't IFBB pro's.