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Why can't the GOP put up a respectable candidate? This is embarrassing
Why can't the GOP put up a respectable candidate? This is embarrassing
If Romney gets the nod
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why is it embarrassing?
he's not ronnie regan, but respectable enough, and not extreme in his views which should be appealing to moderates and indys.
i think anyone of the GOP hopefuls could beat obumbles in a fair fight (fair fight meaning no illegal and fraudluent votes)
he's not ronnie regan, but respectable enough, and not extreme in his views which should be appealing to moderates and indys.
i think anyone of the GOP hopefuls could beat obumbles in a fair fight (fair fight meaning no illegal and fraudluent votes)
Headholio
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You need to quit drinking the koolaid Bino.
Voter fraud is a made up right wing issue. The amount of proven voter fraud in recent elections is infintesimally small. Republicans make it a fake issue because it justifies their efforts to suppress votes. New more restrictive voting laws being passed in many states are supposedly designed to stop fraud, which doesn't exist, but actually is intended to make it less likely for minorities, young people, and poor people to vote. Republicans do not keep this a secret. They want to suppress the vote, and realize that lower turnout favors their party.
Five myths about voter fraud - The Washington Post
As for the OP, I agree, the Repubs have no good candidates
I don't think he's electable
He's a circus act... Doesn't have the pedigree to retain the GOP faithful
And he's Mormon, which makes him inherently polarizing. They can't afford to split the vote like that.
Strongbow
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You need to quit drinking the koolaid Bino.
Republicans make it a fake issue because it justifies their efforts to suppress votes. New more restrictive voting laws being passed in many states are supposedly designed to stop fraud, which doesn't exist, but actually is intended to make it less likely for minorities, young people, and poor people to vote. Republicans do not keep this a secret. They want to suppress the vote, and realize that lower turnout favors their party.
Five myths about voter fraud - The Washington Post
As for the OP, I agree, the Repubs have no good candidates
I think the GOP is actually trying to say is that if you don't have a job and don't pay taxes you do not have the right to vote and you should shoot yourself in the fucking head and save me the bullet. How the fuck can those who live off of taxpayers think they have a voice. The only voice I wanna hear from them fucks is as they scream after I throw them off the top of a fucking mountain into the scum pit where they belong.
You don't know shitb
Strongbow
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I know you
WoodyO
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Aren't you Canadian? What do you care about the US? We're just a bunch of Mexico touchers.
youpissmeoff
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what candidate do you think has a better chance at defeating Obama?
Plank is american
youpissmeoff
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Hard core republicans are going to vote republican regardless. You think they will vote for Obama because Romney is Mormon??
You are not trying to appeal the far right republicans. That is the problem, republicans that get through the primaries these days are not appealing to the independents or moderates.
For pedigree, he was Governer and a very succesful business man. Very few long term Washington politicians get elected president because there is too much voting record to go off of. It is mainly Governors or very short term senators. You would have to go way back to find someone that was a long time Washington politician that got elected President.
He may not be able to beat Obama - but he is the only chance at beating him.
Disagree.
No, I think enough of them will vote for other unelectable third party candidates.
Part of the reason the Republican party is suffering is because they take the right wingers for granted.
The point was proven in 2008.
I don't think there is one... That was my lament at the beginning
Headholio
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I would have agreed with you before I heard Hugh Hewitt say yesterday that he would vote for Obama before he voted for Ron Paul. (Due to Pauls weakness on defense). I'm not kidding! But yeah, in general you are right.
I think your point is correct. It is the moderates in the middle who will decide the next president. Romney easily appeals to more moderates than the other republicans. Will he pull more moderates than Obama? That is the question.
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You need to quit drinking the koolaid Bino.
Republicans make it a fake issue because it justifies their efforts to suppress votes. New more restrictive voting laws being passed in many states are supposedly designed to stop fraud, which doesn't exist, but actually is intended to make it less likely for minorities, young people, and poor people to vote. Republicans do not keep this a secret. They want to suppress the vote, and realize that lower turnout favors their party.
Five myths about voter fraud - The Washington Post
As for the OP, I agree, the Repubs have no good candidates
suppress the vote-making people show id cards (which they need for a variety of things like opening a checking account or buying a plane ticket...but when it invovles voting=racist).
sober minded folks think this is a reasonable thing to do, reactionary folks like yourself scream racist.
obama is fast tracking citizenship as we speak to hispanics to give him the edge in 2012 by forcing thru citizenship.
there will be a time when the dems have a perma majority, when the scales tip in favor of the entitlement crowd forever...i hope to delay this as long as possible
youpissmeoff
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This is where you are really off base - the majority of Americans are moderates not Right Wing.
Most independents are not right wing. You have to capture the independent vote to win the presidential election in the USA.
you don't know shit
As for the OP, I agree, the Repubs have no good candidates
uh huh, that is why obumbles is already on the defensive with rommney, and why is gathering a record billion dollar war chest to fight a seemingly losing battle.
you are and your movement are on the ropes baghdad bob, the end is near and you realize this.
youpissmeoff
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you don't know dick
youpissmeoff
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Santorum will last just long enough until the press goes through his voting record. He is just another flash in the pan. This is a two man race between Paul and Romney and Romney will win it all and then take Christie as his running mate - IMHO
christia is such a alpha personality do you think he could take a vp position? seems like he'd have a hard time playing the quiet number 2 man.
but i like him (does have some dirt though look into his relations with infamous wiseguy tino fimura)
youpissmeoff
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It is strange -- he said he was not ready for President no no no. Endorsed Romney and then said he would consider the VP if asked.
Seems he is looking for back door to the Whitehouse.
But yeah I agree with you on the dominant personality.
*too
he would eat biden alive in a debate (figuratively and literally)
you don't know shit
youpissmeoff
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lolololol
Headholio
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I'm not saying the push for ID's to vote is unreasonable, I'm just telling you what the motivation is. It's not voter fraud, which is a non-problem. the motivation is suppression of votes from minorities young people, and the poor.
Fast tracking citizenship? Sounds like another fib Faux News has been telling you. You really think so? Rules haven't changed, nor will they before the election.
Perma majority for dems? Nah, it all goes in cycles. See, what will happen is that if dems stay in power long enough, the middle class will become better off. Poor people will become middle class, and the country as a whole will be healthier. But when people are better off, they will take that attitude like they somehow are special and become republicans
Headholio
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As for the OP, I agree, the Repubs have no good candidates
This just in: Nobody has a good candidate.
Strongbow
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I have a good candidate
youpissmeoff
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Is that why she kept calling me Newt the other night?
Strongbow
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Maybe, she just likes huge cawcks, thou.
I'm not saying the push for ID's to vote is unreasonable, I'm just telling you what the motivation is. It's not voter fraud, which is a non-problem. the motivation is suppression of votes from minorities young people, and the poor.
Fast tracking citizenship? Sounds like another fib Faux News has been telling you. You really think so? Rules haven't changed, nor will they before the election.
Perma majority for dems? Nah, it all goes in cycles. See, what will happen is that if dems stay in power long enough, the middle class will become better off. Poor people will become middle class, and the country as a whole will be healthier. But when people are better off, they will take that attitude like they somehow are special and become republicans
so if the motivation was PC in your clouded eyes (i.e initiated by dem moral overlords), then it would be alright to demand IDs for voters...but since the motivation is deemed racist in your eyes (i.e initiated by cross burning dixie screaming gop slave owners), it is best to allow voters to vote without proper ID?
trying to understand your logic is tiresome...and voter fraud isn't a problem for you, because you benefit from it, so it doesn't suprize me that it is a non-problem in your view.
Headholio
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No no no, you brought up voter fraud. I'm just saying its Faux news propaganda. For all practical purposes, voter fraud doesn't exist. You implied that Obama won because of voter fraud. No evidence to suggest that. Simply not true. Yet Faux played stories about Acorn and hords of illegal aliens messing with elections to get you scared and twist the truth right out of your mind.
Anyway, I never said if I approved of ID requirements for voting or not.
Frankly, even though most libs fight it (due to the evil intentions behind it), I think its not that big of a deal and hard to argue against.
Republicans are doing much more evil things than requiring ID's. Like sending out false information about polling places and voting days, fighting efforts to insure accuracy of voting machines, intimidating voters by informing them that the sherriff is reviewing new voter registrations, or lying to college kids and saying they can't register if they are claimed as dependents etc. Even on this forum, righties say that poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
GOP, SUPPRESS THE VOTE - CNN iReport
lol at evil intentions, what is evil about abiding by voting laws like being a legit citizen who is alive???
it's only evil because it stops fraud votes for the left.
i am opposed to any sort of legit voter fraud, and not based on any political party...according to your article (don't really credit cnn much esp. when their story features a facist party poster...pretty much erases any doubt of non-partisanness) to your article some local gop morons thwarted some voters, which is shady for sure...although you brush off dem voter fraud practices (acorn, fake sigs in indiana, illegals voting, manipulating poor folks to vote via lure of money) they are just as shady and should invite just as much scorn as the gop examples do.
i expect the next election to be rife with politcal shannigans, largely from illegal voters and chicago style voting practices...pretty clear to me the left will stop at nothing to secure obama's throne
mrplunkey
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Exactly!
Just like the pro-choice movement's true motivation is to entice minority women to abort their unborn children in an effort to suppress genes the movement considers inferior.
It's fun arbitrarily attaching motives to movements.
mrplunkey
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ACORN has already plead guilty to voter registration fraud.
Name a modern-day, nationally-recognized republican organization that has been convicted or plead guilty of voter fraud.
Headholio
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Oh holy f$cking crap its mrplunkey!!
Jeez you think Republican voter suppression efforts are made up? they admit it.
Founder of the Heritage Foundation and right wing nut Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote"
Paul Weyrich - Goo-Goo Syndrome (proper audio/video synchronization) - YouTube
The dems don't admit it, they hide beyond BS arguements of racism and whatnot.
every state to bring up voter regulations (i/e showing ID) has the inevitable battle waged against it various dem action groups.
just as incidious as your allegations of gop manipulation, if not more so
mrplunkey
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And here's a quote from Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12
PICK3
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Newt won't come in better than third in any state that doesn't border Georgia. He may flash in the pan before he burns out, but he won't be anywhere close to a contender. Santorum is a zero, but the GOP faithful still need an anyone-but-Romney candidate, Perry and Bachmann are toast, and Gingrich has too many negatives. There's no one else. I wonder what Huntsman can do if he ever starts trying? He seems to be the Fred Thompson of this race so far, making one wonder why he even bothered to throw his hat in the ring? There doesn't seem to be much demand in the GOP for someone who is more moderate than Romney.
Paul's the joker in the deck. He has a voice that needs to be heard, but in this race he's just taking up space. He'll continue to pull 15%-20%.
This race will ping-pong between Romney and Santorum, with Gingrich doing well in a few Southern states.
Paul's the joker in the deck. He has a voice that needs to be heard, but in this race he's just taking up space. He'll continue to pull 15%-20%.
This race will ping-pong between Romney and Santorum, with Gingrich doing well in a few Southern states.
this seems to be a good analysis.
according to headholio, it's a made up non-issue(except when the reps are guilty of it)
As opposed to the last ten years of the 1% not giving a flying fuck about you nor I?
having to chose between being ruled by the 1% or the dem-perma majority, i'd chose the 1% at least they provide jobs and a economy.
the dem perma majority would provide taxes, anti-white policies, and increased equal opportunity poverty
This
They still have their bush tax cuts, where are the jobs.
Look I voted for bush/McCain but I'm honestly done being squeezed by rich pompous asses that make you think illegals and such are our problems to lame for a poor economic climate
I'm done with the right wing brainwashing BS
The problem is there are too man small time (10-20 mill approx)millionares that are crushing our economy. The uber rich know we can't sustain the status quo. The scales have tipped to far and they know it can eventually have devastating effects.
the bush tax cuts will expire if obama remains in office, then we will all feed more into the machine so have no fear.
and how do you think that small time millionaires are crushing our economy? from my standpoint our addiction to cheap goods and oversea manufacturing fuct us forever, a lot of blame to go around not just some wealthy folks...we are fuct regardless of what party is calling shots
youpissmeoff
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I am actually for the Bush tax cuts expiring because everyone will pay more taxes - not just the wealthy. Rememer - over 50% of the US do not pay taxes now. People who think the Bush tax cuts were a big break for a the rich have a huge wake up call coming.
I have problems with my own analysis, mostly fear that I'm overestimating Santorum. But he had a few good speeches this week, and with Batlady gone and Perry in the dumpster, Santorum and Gingrich well get all the not-Romney votes from the GOP faithful. Paul will continue to draw his fringe element ~20%. Since Gingrich is unelectable, Santorum is left by default as "the best of the rest".
Watching Gingrich getting all bitter and petulent after Iowa has been amusing. When he comes out swinging against Romney it will just seem mean and vindictive.
calveless wonder
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Romney sucks, but he's not worse than Santorum. that guy is fuckin awful.
they're both dogshit, except romney is the pile of dogshit that has dried up and doesn't smell as bad anymore
the only hope they have to beat Obama is Ron Paul. and too many old faggots are scared to vote for him. he has predominantly the younger demographic.
i'll tell you what though, a lot of people who never bothered to vote will get/have gotten up for ron paul. myself included
they're both dogshit, except romney is the pile of dogshit that has dried up and doesn't smell as bad anymore
the only hope they have to beat Obama is Ron Paul. and too many old faggots are scared to vote for him. he has predominantly the younger demographic.
i'll tell you what though, a lot of people who never bothered to vote will get/have gotten up for ron paul. myself included
mrplunkey
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Isn't it odd how many people only want *part* of the Bush tax cuts to expire? It always amuses me when a libtard talks about the need for shared sacrifice and the Bush tax cuts, then explains how they only want the cuts on the very top bracket to expire.
“Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that man behind the tree.”
-- Sen. Russell B. Long, (D, LA)
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mrplunkey
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mrplunkey
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mrplunkey
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Well hell.
Headholio
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Bino, republican efforts to suppress votes is not controversial, its a fact. It's not even surprising. Politicians try to win. Republicans have better chance if they suppress minority, young and elderly votes.
ID requirements seem reasonable but the facts are this:
A survey by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law found that 11 percent of citizens, 21 million people, do not have a current photo ID. That fraction increases to 15 percent of low-income voting-age citizens, 18 percent of young eligible voters and 25 percent of black eligible voters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/opinion/27wed1.html
You think evil geniuses like Carl Rove don't know this and won't try to capitalize on it?
No biggie Bino, Republicans are trying to suppress the vote. Get a grip on that.
The Deprtment of Justice already recognized South CArolia GOP voter laws at a vote suppression effort:
In its first decision on the laws, Justice’s Civil Rights Division said South Carolina’s statute is discriminatory because its registered minority voters are nearly 20 percent more likely than whites to lack a state-issued photo ID. Under the 1965 Voting Rights Act, South Carolina is one of a number of states that are required to receive federal “pre-clearance” on voting changes to ensure that they don’t hurt minorities’ political power.
Political Animal - Justice Dept. targets SC voter-ID law
The justification for the GOP efforts is voter fraud, and when I say it is a non-issue, you should know by now that I would never BS you.
It is a non issue. Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.
In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times
Headholio
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Headholio
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It is sad to see how so many people have been brainwashed to think that everything is ok by being ruled by the rich. Meanwhile, opportunities decrease, power to change things decreases, and the gap between the rich and everyone else grows exponentially. All the power in the country is held in the families of a few thousand people. 400 people have more wealth than 50% of the population. The Walton Family has more wealth than 90 Million people combined. You think you want the rich to rule you, but you don't.
Headholio
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Bush set the record for low job creation. Tax cuts don't work when revenue is already lagging expenditure and taxes are already at record lows. It doesn't work, and Bush proved it doesn't work. Unfortunately it is the only trick in the GOP bag. If you care about the deficit, don't vote GOP, as lowering taxes will just make it worse. You can't argue that because Bush already proved it.
Good point Ortiz.
Headholio
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Raising rates at the top is what makes sense and is what has historically worked. "The good old days" (30's, 40's 50's, 60's 70's, take your pick) Taxes for the top bracket were 60-90 percent, the country was stronger, people still had a chance for upward mobility,economy was strong, the middle class was strong, the rich were still rich. Progressive taxation is part of what made America great. This Right wing experiment to pander to the rich is a failure.
javaguru
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You can raise rates on the "wealthy" all you want but it doesn't change the trend line for fiscal collapse. As a matter of fact, allowing the Obama tax cuts on those making less than 250k a year will raise more revenue than allowing them to only expire on those making more than 250k a year. I enjoy the "wealth disparity" argument used by the progressives. You can reference my previous article about the benefits provided by employers accounting for almost an additional six dollars per hour for the average employee that isn't considered when they make arguments.
The feds historically get about 19% of GDP in income taxes no matter the rates...Hell, most people don't itemize because they don't have enough deductions to make a difference. If you want the rich to pay their "fair share" then you should support a flat tax, eliminate the double corporate tax (no capital gains) and modify the 16th Amendment to preclude deductions.
Headholio
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Your 50% stat wouldn't change much if the unfunded Bush tax cuts expire. This talking point is also not true. Those people do pay taxes. They pay state tax, social security tax, sales tax and property tax. their federal tax is returned because of their low income level, and child and mortgage deductions usually.
There is probably nothing more grotesque to me about the Republican rhetoric than this villianization of less fortunate people as some kind crack smoking dirt bags, while you are all trained to be outraged at the suggestion of getting an extra buck from a multi millionaire. The median salary in this country is somewhere in the $40's, so those people who don't pay federal tax are for the most part hard working productive citizens trying to make ends meet. Many of them are republicans who regurgitate this hatred for half the citizens of this country, without realizing they are part of that half.
And who is leading this disgusting villianization campain against half of American citizens?
A big, fat, lying propagandist drug addict on the radio who makes 35 million dollars a year.
the pied piper leading the mice to their own demise.
