Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below just reading through the posts and seeing alot of people saying no to nolva with deca????what is the reason...i havnt been on the boards for some time last i head was nolva was top for recovery...what have i missed?????nolva is all i have used for the last 2 years... is there some reason to change?
i see alot are saying no to nolva while using deca...please explain
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Cauliflower Ear
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four letter bro aifm
macrophage69alpha
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1. nolva is not top for recovery
2. nolva MAY be used after progestins like DECA
3. nolva upregulates the PgR which means that it MAY cause problems taken with progestins and also MAY cause problems after progestin (deca) use because progestins CAN suppress natural progesterone, leaving an upregulated receptor for other steroid (and non steroidal) ligands to bind to. Progestins can also superstimulate natural progesterone production, nandrolone may fall into this category.
4. Clomid is actually far better established for recovery
5. Clomid, unlike nolva, does not upregulate the PgR
6. there have been numerous reports of post cycle gyno with the use of tamoxifen, usually following progestin use.
2. nolva MAY be used after progestins like DECA
3. nolva upregulates the PgR which means that it MAY cause problems taken with progestins and also MAY cause problems after progestin (deca) use because progestins CAN suppress natural progesterone, leaving an upregulated receptor for other steroid (and non steroidal) ligands to bind to. Progestins can also superstimulate natural progesterone production, nandrolone may fall into this category.
4. Clomid is actually far better established for recovery
5. Clomid, unlike nolva, does not upregulate the PgR
6. there have been numerous reports of post cycle gyno with the use of tamoxifen, usually following progestin use.
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macrophage69alpha
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bogazo said:
not exactly, there have a been a few that claimed nolva was better than clomid (an idea that gained momentum on the forums). However there was never any substantiation.
Nolva does have its uses and can be effective for PCT, though claims that it is superior to clomid have not been proven.
the main reason that people avoid clomid is the emotional sides, which can be avoided/minimized by not front loading (something for which there is little or no evidence)
GlynnDiesel
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Same here, been off gear for over a year and this is the first I've heard since getting back on the forums. I'm real interested to here as before a took a break most (UK) were opting for nolva over clomid for pct now clomid seems to be the prefered choice again due to nolvas recent bad press.
Again in the uk I'm still seeing most who are gyno prone opting for nolva throughout a cycle even whilst runnin deca, which with what is being said here seems craxy. So for those who are gyno prone what is now preffered option?
Also Aifm first time I've heard of it, what is it and any idea if its available in the uk.
Cheers
Again in the uk I'm still seeing most who are gyno prone opting for nolva throughout a cycle even whilst runnin deca, which with what is being said here seems craxy. So for those who are gyno prone what is now preffered option?
Also Aifm first time I've heard of it, what is it and any idea if its available in the uk.
Cheers
Ok, so tamoxifen is out of the question. Aifm well that brings me out in a rash, so thats out.
Whats left
* Clomid, not over keen
Anythink else?
what about post course, if you stop deca week 10, carry on test until week 12 then start post, can you take TAMOXIFEN then, will it still have the same negative effects?
Cheers
Whats left
* Clomid, not over keen
Anythink else?
what about post course, if you stop deca week 10, carry on test until week 12 then start post, can you take TAMOXIFEN then, will it still have the same negative effects?
Cheers
macrophage69alpha
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tamoxifen is not "out of the question", there is merely an increased risk of gyno as compared to use with an AI. If tamoxifen is all you have for PCT then use it.
shrimp44
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I am currently on the 2nd shot of my 1-10wk @250mg deca cycle and 1-12wk @500mg Test E cycle I currently have 20mg pills of nolva, that i plan on taking weeks 14-16, along with AIFM if i see any gyno. I don't think I am gyno Prone but I think I should be fine many people have done this cycle with good results and i don't think 250mg is a lot for deca a week
