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I had cancer. Please read.

chicagobuffedbod

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I wanted to share with you all my worst hour ever. It happened last winter when I was so sick that I eventually had to be carried off to the emergency room. After roughly 3 weeks and two hospitals that had to run all these tests I was diagnosed with Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. I went from weight a very lean muscle weight of 252lb to 185 in 2 months. This was because I had such a high fever for such a long time. It threw my BMR into absolute overdrive.

I wanted to share this information with you as a way to inform you that I strongly believe that I got this from using "supplements" that I had shipped to me from overseas. The steroids were not counterfeit and I had used them for several years. But I noticed that I had been getting sick from using Test450. It started out with a very minor fever that went away in just a few short days. Then I had this unusual very intense ear pain along with a respiratory infection. I was able to treat it and it went away. The next cycle I did I did test450 with some tren and my lips went numb, I got a fever and my ear started to ache severely again. The fever broke in about a week. I do remember that it's possible to have a mild fever from injecting so I didn't think much of it. I then felt better and gave myself another shot 7 days later. This was to be my second week into a cycle.
Well, at this point my fever had returned and although I thought it was odd (because I would never get a fever twice from a cycle) I kept on going. I took Motrin to try and control it. I did but by this time several weeks turned into two months and I was so sick and in agonizing pain.
I truly believe that my lymphoma is a result of impure products. At first doctors were skeptical but when I told them that I had fevers in the past from prior steroid use they concluded that it was likely that there was a connection. Of course we can't prove it but I firmly believe that it had a lot to do with why I got cancer. As I did my research on lymphoma one of the ways of getting it is through over exposure to chemicals. All I can guess, at this point, was that the products I was taking weren't acceptable for human use.
My steroid intake was a bit high. I would say about 1g total of everything. That's not very high considered to what professionals take and what I've on what others take on this board.
To wrap it up I think the toxins in the products I was taking were aggravating my system by first inducing a fever. I didn't take it very seriously because I have read this in the past with other users and it always went away in a short couple of days. But I think I pushed the envelop too far that last time.
So I just wanted to share my experience and hope that none of you go through what I've experienced. I know some of you will argue that I'm wrong and back up your claims by my case being the only one you've ever heard. But it happened to me and if it happens to another person that's already 2 people too many. Lymphoma does not run in my family. I'm a young 37 whom most people assume to be younger. I eat well, I don't smoke, I don't do recreational drugs, I drink either filtered or spring water.
When you think about it, China will sell us knock off tooth paste with chemicals for car engines in order to make a quick buck at the expense of other human lives. Does anyone remember any of that? So if China and other dubious countries that have no regard for the utmost conditions of quality care for producing knock off tooth paste why would underground steroids sold in "ketchup packets" be any different?
I hope the moderators don't cut me off or close my account. I am not here to name names or to create panic. My message is to be very careful and if possible spend the extra money to get American pharmaceutical grade products.
 
Im sorry you got lymphoma but it had nothing to do with using underground gear or steroids in general.

Just to elaborate - cancer does not work like that. Even if the steroids you were injecting contained carcinogens, it would take a decade of regular use in order to substantially increase your risk.

Its like you came on here and said you smoked a pack of cigarettes, got a cough, smoked another pack and got lung cancer. It takes a long time for those irregular cells to form a version that is malignant, and that your body wont attack and destroy.
 
Im sorry you got lymphoma but it had nothing to do with using underground gear or steroids in general.

Just to elaborate - cancer does not work like that. Even if the steroids you were injecting contained carcinogens, it would take a decade of regular use in order to substantially increase your risk.

Its like you came on here and said you smoked a pack of cigarettes, got a cough, smoked another pack and got lung cancer. It takes a long time for those irregular cells to form a version that is malignant, and that your body wont attack and destroy.
t .. although your most likey right with Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma it is not know for sure what causes it .. and it is thought there is a good chance that it IS caused by things that weaken the immune system .. which is why it is quite common in aids patients .. if he got gear mixed with poisonous stuff that shouldnt have been in there .. it could have ruined his immune system and grew cancerous cells ..which would seem like it would take more then 7 years but i wouldnt rule it out
 
I don't belive you got cancer from unclean steroids. Im sorry, I know you are looking for a reason, and something to point the finger to, but I don't belive it was caused by the steroids. sometimes these things happen to good people for no reason at all. I would not try to make sence of it.

but that being said, Im glad your doing better now.
 
I don't belive you got cancer from unclean steroids. Im sorry, I know you are looking for a reason, and something to point the finger to, but I don't belive it was caused by the steroids. sometimes these things happen to good people for no reason at all. I would not try to make sence of it.

but that being said, Im glad your doing better now.



Why you don't believe it could have been dirty roids? As mentioned before, poisonous stuff could have destroyed his immune system; in fact, fever and infections are clear symptoms of an extremely low immune system. I am not a dr., and I don't know crap about the formation of a lymphoma time-wise but the previous comments make more sense to me, specially since we know that EVERYBODY reacts different.
 
Im sorry you got lymphoma but it had nothing to do with using underground gear or steroids in general.

Just to elaborate - cancer does not work like that. Even if the steroids you were injecting contained carcinogens, it would take a decade of regular use in order to substantially increase your risk.

Its like you came on here and said you smoked a pack of cigarettes, got a cough, smoked another pack and got lung cancer. It takes a long time for those irregular cells to form a version that is malignant, and that your body wont attack and destroy.

You're comparing two completely different types of cancer. You're generalizing lung cancer which is a carcinoma to that of Lymphoma which is a hematological cancer. That rate at which they develop in the human body is not the same for all four types of basic cancers which are sarcomas, carcinomas, hematological and I can't remember the other one. But sarcomas and hematological cancers do not advance at the same rate.

Maybe any possible impurities to what I was taking weren't 100% responsible for causing the cancer but I do believe that they taxed my body and weakened my immune system. I do believe that there was a connection in some way. A lot of doctors seem to be sharing the belief that steroid use has an immuno-suppressive response within the body.

Once I wrote a post on here about my concern when my lower lip went numb after doing tren. A guy posted back to me letting me know that he knew of a guy that experienced the same thing and not to worry. He advised me to take Benadryl. How can steroids injected in my ass make my lower lip go numb? I'm so curious to understand the physiology behind that. I would not mention this if I were the only one that had this happen to but apparently it has happened to others.

I may never have definite answers. And that sucks.
But thank you to those of you that have left supportive comments.
 
I believe you are quite within your rights to examine the gear. I think I would be getting a chemical analysis done on the stuff to see what is in it & if there is anything that could cause a cronic IS response in the body. Generally its not the steriod that is causing the problem but what it is filled out & fixed with.
 
..I'm sorry to hear you had such a serious illness, and i'm glad you've recovered well...;)

I think instead of being so focused on trying to find the exact cause, there is something more important to learn here for you. Maybe next time if your body gives you such alarming signals that something is wrong you might not want to treat the signals,..but listen to what your body has to say and stop injecting more of the cause immediately..If you have a fever, an numb lip an intense earpain along with a respitory infection...erm, that could be a clue that something is not quiet right...regardless of what anybody on a forum says..common sense should say that's not normal, so why would you take more??.. Instead why not look for a compound that works better with you..or lower to a more respectable dose...or if you have these reactions with every steroid..then clearly steroids is not for you...

Like I said, I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you, and don't try to trivialise it in any way, shape or form..but at the same time, there is also something called personal accountability..as in, nobody held you on gunpoint when you where taking more of the stuff that made you that ill..

Maybe from here onwards, listen to your body..it will tell you the story...:) Thank you for sharing your story here, hopefully it will prevent something similar happening to someone else..

Just my 2 pennies worth..

B!
 
I think this would be a fantastic opportunity for everyone to learn more about cancer and early warning signs.

As it was mentioned, cancer is not one disease, it is actually an umbrella term for hundreds of different disease, it depends on the cell type that loses control of it's cell cycle and starts to divide in an uncontrolled manner.

Except for T-cell lymphoma, as that is when the T-cells do not die off via apoptosis after an infection, but there are some new and very effective treatments.

Some cancers are very fast, and a lot of the acute leukaemias and lymphomas are examples of this. They are one of the, erm 6 types of white blood cells, and not only that, they are one of these types of cells at the various stage of development of the cells.

Chronic leukaemias are different.

Pancreatic and kidney cancer (renal cell/clear cell carcinoma), have no warning symptoms until it is too late most of the time. This is one of those 'dead in 4 months' types of cancers.

You can have some cancers for 20 years, for example myeloma, which is also a white cell cancer, but a mature B-cell lymphocyte that is never released from the bone marrow.

Carcinoid tumours, or tumours of the neuroendocrine tissue that often lines your digestive and respiratory system is another cancer you can have for a decade.

Our bodies actually have hundreds of 'cancer' cells arise every day, but Natural killer and cytotoxic T cells kill them off.

All it takes is for one foreign substance or some analogue that fits a cell receptor, one growth factor like IGF-1 or GH to bind to the receptor of a tumour cell and it could get out of control.

I know most people are terrified of cancer so whenever they hear a possible scenario that may affect them, they often go into denial.

While cancer may be classified as a genetic disease, it is often some environmental factor that triggers the cells to grow uncontrollably

Just be safe lads.
 
Melanoma (spelling)I agree with Tat..I ride motorcycles and I can say OH man that guy really should have been looking out better for that car or I can say...I need to remember there are cars out there aiming for me and make sure I take precautions. Glad to hear your gtg bro
 
Just out of curiosity, but what type of NHL did you have? Was it indolent or more aggressive (i.e. follicular v. large-B cell).
 
I am very sorry to hear about your NHL, but it is good that you are in remission. Chemotherapy has advanced tremendously during last few years, and hopefully, everything will turn out right for you.
I don't intend to use any thing other than HG ever in my life. Fortunately, I have access to cheap HG stuff.
 
Glad that you are healthy now.

Testosterone and other steroids are carcinogens.

Test itself activates transcription factors in the DNA in muscle cells which tell them to retain more nitrogen, among other ways, etc which cause the muscle to grow
Since cancer itself is unregulated cell growth, its not hard to imagine a cell mutating and growing indefinitely with additional testosterone causing the growth

Steroids are a risk that obviously people here are willing to take.
I think its important to think about that.
 
I'm not sure I'd directly link test to the dysfunction of proto-oncogenes and tumor suppressor genes responsible for the development of clonality in NHL, but test can definitely cause immunosuppression which is a risk factor for NHL as are viral infections...
 
Re: I had cancer. Please read. -- So did I

I also had cancer. I had Large B cell Lymphoma. I did not start doing roids until after the cancer, and I tell you they saved my life.

It's real easy to say I have some life threating disease and I got it because of X. This is like Lyle Alzado saying he got brain cancer from roids. He didn't but when you are that close to death there is a very strong desire to say the reason is <insert what ever you want here>. This is just human nature. In this case you did something that deep down inside you feel is bad. So you blame the little bad thing you did in you're life as the cause of the big bad thing ( and having had cancer I understand it's a big bad thing.)

I'm glad for you getting this far with a the disease. But there's an interesting thing about roids and lymphoma. There is a group of people that have a genetic abnormality that gives them a naturally lower level of testosterone. These people have Klinefelters syndrome. These poor folks have four times the rate of lymphoma as the normal population. ( study was done in the UK ) So having done roids probably delayed your cancer not caused it.

Myself I don't have Klienfelters but I did have low testosterone and diabetes. It's hard to say if I had low testosterone or diabetes before the cancer as I never was tested for it because I didn't have any of the risk factors. The only reason they checked for it was while on chemo I had to get up every two hours to pee and they found out I had diabetes.

Current research in both diabetes and lymphoma link low levels of testosterone to both diseases.

Now my doctor wouldn't give me trt. He said he didn't want to lose his license and I don't blame him. Because I have had cancer they look at it as I am at risk for all types of cancer. So it's no TRT because I might get Prostate cancer, yea I know it's stupid but just blame it on the lawyers. So I worked up my own TRT plan. I have had a lot of education in medicine as well as being fairly auto didactic. I did have a license( I let it lapse) to practice medicine but I'm not an MD. So I made a deal with my doctor. I told him not to ask me questions that would put him in a bind and I wouldn't put him in any ethical dilemmas. This situation has worked well for the last few years or so. But I did have to prove to him that I knew my stuff. Now when I see him ( the chemo gave me a chronic condition that I needs drugs for) he basically asks me what I want to do and then we do it. I appreciate this a lot because he is trusting me with his career.

So for you your doctor will probably not give you TRT either but I would get some blood work done and see if your test levels are low. If they are it's up to you but I would put myself on some sort of TRT ASAP. And I would be in the gym as much as possible. Today I am doing a lot of other things then just lifting. I do a lot of Aikido and other martial arts as well as lift. Don't stop training!! I really like Aikido for my cardio. You get thrown down to the mat then jump up and get thrown down again. Then you do the throwing. It's you're whole body up, down, up, down. Over and over again.

And for myself I don't like saying that my cancer is in remission. I say I kicked it's ass.
 
I'm not trying to blame anything and I don't think taking steroids is bad. I wasn't saying that steroid use was bad. I was concerned about the quality of the steroids injected. I was inferring that there might have been impurities that lead to my condition. Not the simple act of taking steroids themselves. I simply related my steroid use to my fevers which eventually landed me into the hospital because after I injected I felt miserable. If it had to do with something else or nothing at all that would be fine. It's natural to want answers after surviving the mysterious reasons as to why a disease ravages you physically, financially, emotionally...etc... But I don't consider myself a blamer. I would just like to know why.
I want to do steroids again. I haven't done them in 10 months. I really liked the way I looked and felt. I'm scared to do them again and for how things unfolded (as described in my post here) I'm sure you can all understand why.
 
Like I said, I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you, and don't try to trivialise it in any way, shape or form..but at the same time, there is also something called personal accountability..as in, nobody held you on gunpoint when you where taking more of the stuff that made you that ill..

Just my 2 pennies worth..

B!

I don't think that was very nice to say. It's borderline sarcastic over something that became life threatening. I did describe things related to my health but I did so with the intent to express how I put it all together after the fact. I didn't realize that the pain in my ears or the respiratory infection I got from a previous cycle were related somehow to the cycle of steroids I was using when I eventually went into the hospital 4 months later. And this happened 4 months before I had similar problems with ear and jaw pain, fever that eventually lead to my hospital visit and final diagnosis of Non Hodgkin's Large B Cell Lymphoma.

When I first had the respiratory infection I thought it was just an odd fluke. Who would think that something like that would be related to a steroid cycle? If I started a post on here and implied that my ear pain, respiratory infection were symptoms I thought were related to a steroid cycle I had just started you'd all say I was crazy.

My message was to make you aware of the possibility of impurities in steroids (from underground labs)that might be responsible for causing health issues. And your response was of making some sarcastic comment like "someone was holding a gun to my head?" You're way off base on that one.
 
I'm not trying to blame anything and I don't think taking steroids is bad. I wasn't saying that steroid use was bad. I was concerned about the quality of the steroids injected. I was inferring that there might have been impurities that lead to my condition. Not the simple act of taking steroids themselves. I simply related my steroid use to my fevers which eventually landed me into the hospital because after I injected I felt miserable. If it had to do with something else or nothing at all that would be fine. It's natural to want answers after surviving the mysterious reasons as to why a disease ravages you physically, financially, emotionally...etc... But I don't consider myself a blamer. I would just like to know why.
I want to do steroids again. I haven't done them in 10 months. I really liked the way I looked and felt. I'm scared to do them again and for how things unfolded (as described in my post here) I'm sure you can all understand why.

English is a poor language it has so many ways to interrupt what is being said. Instead of "blame" using "cause and effect" is probably better. I suspect the fevers were not from "impurities" but rather high levels of testosterone prompted your body to react to the cancer. It's actually a very fascinating topic of study. How your endocrine system effects your bodies ability to heal. That is what we are doing when we build new muscle. Healing our bodies that is.
 
I am also very glad that your cancer is under control and I hope you are able to have many many more years of productivity and high quality of life. Stay positive and always determined to be healthy and don't allow yourself to ever get stressed out again. Stress will always make a bad thing worse. As for the reason of your illness, I don't know what really happened but it's apparent that something happened to you while you were ON and it's only logical to not only try and rationalize the situation but to alert others of what you went through and your hypothesis as to why you were aflicted with such a horrible disease. Good luck to you and God bless.
 
Hi Chicacobuffbod,

I'm sorry if you took what I wrote in an offensive manner..it was not mend in that way, nor was it mend borderline sarcastic or making your condition a laughing matter..because I don't see it that way, quiet to the contrairy.

I think your condition is a very serious matter...and I think how you handled the matter is a prime example for other people how not to proceed when using steroids. Regardless if your ailness was caused by inpure steroids, or was a steroid related matter full stop..What I was trying to point out was, to my humble opinion..any 'pain' or major discomfort..is a signal from your body that something is wrong and should be a cue to investigate what is the matter..which to me means, first and foremost stop with the 'obvious ones' that can cause the trouble..steroids being one of them. Then keep stripping of possible causes until you have the root of the problem isolated. Once you have the cause and the solution sorted, continue with everything that you where doing previously that wasn't the culprit..I really appreciate you posting you're story because your story probably already has enabled other people to make different choices for themselves, resulting that they won't end up in the hospital with a life treathening condition....

That's what I mend by personal accountability..and 'holding you on gunpoint' is a pretty mainstream expression on this side of the pond and was by no means mend to be taken literally...it means that everybody is entitled to make his own choices and thus carries responsability for them..sorry if that expression was offensive to you..it comes from someone born an raised in a country without a gun culture, I could have said 'no pink elephant was holding you hostage...'..which would have mend pretty much the same..

Sorry for the poor choice of words...I'm happy you are ok!..

Best,

B!
 
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