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I don't understand my body type.....

So, I have been training for almost 9 months, and have made great progress, BUT my goal is to become lean as I possible can by the end of this year---and I'm getting frustrated. I have followed the bodyforlife program very closey, with little tweeks here and there---like extra cardio, or changing the weight training a little. I eat a VERY clean diet, and take one day out of the week for a free day.

Anyhow, blah, blah, blah..........


My body type does not want to lose fat, but I have an easy time gaining muscle. So, for the last 2 weeks, I have been doing an hour of cardio, 6 days a week, and will continue for 1 more week, then go back to my normal training. Anyhow, I'm not losing fat/weight/inches. What gives? I couldn't be GAINING muslce with this much cardio right? But I feel like I'm getting stronger---I still weight train as well. WTF
 
I've found that after a while, I plateau doing regular cardio.One thing to try is interval training.I like to run or ride a stationary bike.Alternate 10-15 seconds of sprints with 30-60 seconds of low-intensity movement.For example,if I'm on the bike, I'll pedal at a slow pace for about 30 sec,then sprint-pedal for 10 sec and then repeat for about 10-20 minutes.This has worked great in place of traditional aerobic training and the only drawback I have found is that it can interfere with your leg workouts.Just a suggestion.
 
ballast has a point, I find interval training really effective for fat loss, 1 minute intense, 1 minute slower, it gets your heart rate up really quickly and keeps it there. I also found that breaking my cardio up, when I had the time, say 20 - 30 minutes, 3x daily, was really effective for me. I got down to about 8% bf this summer using only that approach and the ECA stack
 
I like interval cardio training as well. i used it around april of this year to loose about 15 lbs of fat. i wasn't using any type of eca stack along with it. i enjoy outside cardio so i usually go to the park and jog 30sec and then sprint 30sec. it's hard and makes leg day even worse but it works. the only reason i did it was to help a buddy of mine. i stopped in june but he has continued. he's lost 50lbs of fat. we always did and he does that type interval cardio training 3x wk on empty stomach. i couldn't eat bc i'd puke halfway through. hope this helps.:mix:
 
jen didn't you win some PPA a while back? did you try it? maybe it's time to try a product to help with fat loss...
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clenbuterol
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hi Jen,
I'm new to the board but not to the gym. I find that when I'm getting ready for contest that I need to change much of my starch calories to fiber calories as I get closer to contest. Keep in mind that the fiber is not very calorie dense, so you will need to increase the volume substantially to keep your calories up and ensure that you don't lose muscle. I think that the body for life diet is good, except that peas should be in the starch column, and when trying to lose fat you should limit pasta and breads to your cheat days. I hope this helps you and if you have any questions you can email me and I will offer whatever info I can. Good luck on the dieting, and from the looks of a few of the pics I have seen, you are heading in the right direction.
testbuilt
 
forget the 1 hr cardio sessions. try the 20 min aerobic solution that Phillips talks about. It works best running outdoors. You've got to do some sprint work.
 
Screw all that. Post your diet. "Clean" doesn't mean anything; it's possible to eat clean and still eat like crap.
 
hey, jen

diet could be a factor here. i know you've been better than I have (krispy kreme...), but a two week ckd cutting out your current cheat days may be the answer.

the interval training works really well. find a regular track vs a tredmill and do a couple miles of running full sprint for 10 seconds and fast walk for 50. Or, if it's a smaller track - sprint the straights and fast walk the curves.

you may want to also hop back on betalean or try your ppa out.

ttys

-B
 
Hey cuttie....been a long time.....anyways.....you might wanna try to cut some carbs out of your diet here and there. Not a whole lot just cut down about 20g each day from where you're at right now. Another thing you might be doing wrong is your cardio (I'm not sure if you are or not, I just don't know). Make sure you're hitting your target heart rate (70%) and not going over it. you can figure it out by subtracting your age from 220 then multipying that by .7 ........that will be your target heart rate in beats per min. if you wanna make it a little easier to calculate it just divide that number by 6 and that's your target heart rate for every 10 sec. Other than that.....I'm not sure what else to tell you.....Keep at it girl and the results will come. Good Luck!!!!


p.s.

pm me when you get the chance!!!!!
 
switch it up

Personally, I feel changing what you do for cardio helps.

Example:
Monday: Run 3 miles
Tuesday: Bike 1/2 hour
Wed: Sprints *
Thursday: Off (Depending on when you want to workout legs?)
Friday:Stairmaster
Saturday: START OVER


*I have been running sprints with Ninjax. We usually use a football and run patterns and wide receiver drills. The football gets your mind of the pain!


:fro:
 
In my personal experience I can be on a good diet for a while, and drop the fat, then i begin to plateau. If i change my diet some, then i break through that plateau. As everybody is different I can only give my experience. But for me I think I have to change things up every once in a while to keep progressing.
 
First let's see the diet.

Next, try using some meds to help you lose. Ephedrine, clen, ppa, and yohimbine would all be good choices. I'm not a firm believe in cardio either. Especially the amount that you're currently doing. Diet is the MOST important part of weight loss...
 
We all have different metabolisms. My advice would be to try something different. Maybe bump UP your cals a little and try a different type of cardio like steep incline and lower speed on the treadmill. Maybe train heavier (more muscle, faster metabolism.) Give yourself an honest assessment and see if you are:
1.drinking enough water
2.eating 5-6 meals
3. cut carbs after 4pm
4.weights at least 3 days a week
5.cardio 4-5 days a week

Play with your % of carbs, fats, and protein. Keep the protein high, but have either fats or carbs in a meal, not both.
If all else fails get some GH,clen, and t3.
 
really can't critique on anythign unless you post your diet..but everything elses sounds good..might also try changing up your cardio exercises.
 
you might be allergic to some foods, that could be one of your problems. sometimes subtle food allergies can prevent a person from dropping weight.
 
Ok, this is whats REALLY frustrating. I have been doing the 20 min solution that Bill talks about for the past 9 months, and I'm REALLY fast and strong now. Its so intense, that I for my "high point" I'm running at 10 MPH at an incline of 10. Plus, I switch that up a bit as well, doing spints every 30 seconds, ect for 20 minutes. So now, I have been doing the cardio solution WITH the extra low intensity cardio, AND still doing my weight training 3 times a week. I'm taking fat burners, and betagen as well. Here is what my diet looks like:

Meal 1--- 1/2 cup oatmeal, 2 egg whites, 2 full eggs
Meal 2-----Meal replacement shake (42 grams protien, 25 carbs)
Meal 3----Large salad with salmon or chicken, with 1/4 cup brown rice
Meal 4---protein bar or chicken breast, and steamed veggies
Meal 5---proteiin bar or chicken breast
Meal 6-----1 can tuna and chicken breast, 1 tbs olive oil


So, as you can see, I don't eat carbs for my last 3 meals------I just started this "lower carb" diet-----and guess what? I have GAINED 2 pounds this week. I have one of those tanita scales, and it says I've gained fat too! ERRRRRRRRR. I take a million vitamins as well. I have cut out all sugar in my diet---which was fruit or bars and shakes that had sugar in them.

I also drink 1-2 gallons of water a day

I also rotate between the elliptical and treadmil every other day.

How in the hell could I gain weight and fat on that diet?

I'm trying REALLY hard to stay positive, buts I'm getting really frustrated. For the past 3 months, I have only lost 6 pounds. And I'm working my ASS OFF.


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jen,

it sounds like your taking in a butt load of protein. thats not necessarily a bad thing........... but

during my last contest i kept my protein high, extremely high..... i could not loose as much or as fast as i would have liked.

my friend simply pointed this out......"protein may be good for you but it has calories, and calories are calories."

i may be wrong but you might want to check your levels on the protein.

i could be way off....... but im just trying to help.........

X
 
I figure, I'm eating 1600, to 1800, caleries per day. I weigh 165, and I'm 5'6. ( I did weigh 163, just last week)

With the extra cardio, I have been burning around 1000 caleries per day just with my workouts.

I'm also a waitress, and walk around alot.

So with the simple fact that I'm burning more caleries, then I'm taking in, I should be losing. But I'm not.

I'm eating more protien, only because I have drastically lowered my carbs. I was eating around 180-200 carbs per day----with the same amount in protein. 50/50 is the ratio I have been doing.

So now, I'm taking in around 90 carbs a day, with, 230 grams of protein.
 
Sorry, but BUMP..........


BUMP

BUMP

BUMP


I will post a new picture I'm taking this Sunday for ya'll too see my progress as well, thanks for the help!
 
Far too few calories. If I get this right, you're taking in 1600 a day, minus 1000 for workouts. Subtract another 500 or so (arbitrary) for waitressing, and you're giving your brain, internal organs, muscles, etc.... 100 calories to run on.

Shoot me a PM; i can send you an e-mail and give you some ideas. It sounds like it might be time to try things a little bit differently.
 
I know doing an hour of cardio seems drastic with only eating 1600 caleries per day, but I STILL can't drop any fat. I just wanted to do it for 3 weeks, then go back to just doing 20 minutes of high intensity running 3 times a week.

The only thing I can figure, is that my body is not working with me, but working against me. But it still dosn't make alot of sense.

So, I'm going to keep my low carb diet for a couple of months, I'm only on day 5 of the diet, and lower my cardio.

Belial----could you just post your ideas here? The PM's don't give you alot of space to write.
 
Jen, i think its obvious that your metabolism is running hyper effeciently after so much training, week on week - that it has more or less adapted to the strain you put on it, so much so that your fat loss rate is now a shadow of its former self.
From my experience, and im an endomorph like you, the way around it is to stop doing cardio for a week or two - just eat healthy and work out as normal, but stop busting your gut on the treadmill - give your body some time to adapt to NOT doing cardio, then shock it with cardio again.
I dont know if you use fat burners or not - but these are the key to getting lean. People like us were not made to be lean naturally and we need SOMETHING to get us into shape. I would recommend an off the shelf fat burner as an absolute minimum. And at the other end of the spectrum something like clenbuterol, T3 and Yohimbe.
Also, the body for life diet isnt a very fast way of losing fat - theres far too many carbs in this diet (I have Bill's book on my bookshelf - ive read it from cover to cover) - so i would experiment with low carb's or switching to only green vegetables for carbs.

Hope this helps,
 
bridpop---Yeah, i totally agree about needing to "shock" your body with cardio here and there. But thats why I was only adding more cardio for 3 weeks. Even my first week I didn't loose much. My second hardly anything, and this last week, well, its not over yet, but most likely nothing as well.

I started a lower carb diet last monday, so I'm on day 5 right now. Its NOT the adtkins diet---just lower carbs (around 90) and only carbs in the morning.

Plus, I have been using Phen-free for my fat burner. Maybe I need to try something stronger. But I think this diet might help out alot, hopefully---because before I was eating around 200 carbs---and I used fruit, wheat bread, bars that had too many sugars, ect. So I have cut all those out, which are not "bad" foods, but I think they were really hurting my fat loss. When I was just starting, they worked fine, but now that I'm getting leaner, I guess I have to be REALLY strict with my food. No more free days:bawling: I will probably take 1 free day a month, or 1 free MEAL a week----crossing my fingers!!!! I will keep ya'll posted.
 
agree w/ ya' on the bars & cheat day... made a BIG diff for me cutting out the bars (mystery calories from sugar alcohols)

& limiting cheat meal to once every 2 or 3 wks... (10 min of eating cheat food took 3 days to get back to looking 'lean')

good luck in the 'tweaking'!;)
 
It seems like your body has started to hit a plateau. Also, you may not notice any difference if you go week to week, but it is probably still coming off. I bet it is coming off, just not as fast as it was before. Have you thought about using supplements like the stack or Yohimbine? These are very useful in helping to lose some of those last pounds. Yohimbine, when applied topically is extremely helpful for this.
 
you havent mentioned eca, clenbuterol, dnp, t-3, ????? or anabolics.... have you considered doing some real drugs to jump start the program? Do you cheat?
 
Hi there ......
If you have no heart rate monitor you should invest some money in it.Then do this

5 minutes-Warm up at 50-60 MHR
2 minutes-increase speed at 56-75 MHR
2 minutes-incresae speed at 75-80 MHR
3 minutes -reduce speed invrese grade 65-75 MHR
2 minutes-increase speed at 75-85 MHR
1 minute-recovery(reduce grade all the way)55-65 MHR
4 minutes-Increase speed gradually and continually 65-80 MHR
2 minutes-Maintain intense pace at 80-85 MHR
2 minutes-slightly reduce speed 75-80 MHR
2 increase grade maintain speed 80-85 MHR
2 minutes-Decrese grade maintain speed 70-80 MHR
3 minutes cool down gradually decrese speed ......

I have great results with this cardio.Now i am at 7 % BF but honestly I dont believe in those Tanita scales.If you accept this cardio workout I gave it to you I can swear you will mail me and tell me thank you.I believe that intense cardio is too hard for many woman.Maybe it is not for you but if you wanna make some changes in your cardio try this.You will be very happy
GOOD LUCK
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. Believe it or not, but I'm REALLY taking all your suggestions very seriously---as I'm still a newbee.

I will need to buy a heart rate monitor----but whats confusing about cardio, is that some say low intensity is better because you burn fat right then and there, but others say high intensity is better because it raises your overall metabolism. I have been doing high intensity, and I LOVE IT. I get such a high from it. And once in a while I will do a long cardio session and just keep my heart rate stable. But I seem to get way better results with the high intensity, plus my workout is 1/4 the time.

Also---I kind of have a little secret goal besides losing fat, and gaining muslce, lol-----I want to be super girl!!

I kick ASS on the treadmil. I have never seen anyone at my gym do what I do---not trying to sound stuck up, but I'm actually proud of how fast I can run.

This was my old high intensity workout, I have just made one even harder:

warm up walking for 2 mins at 4.0 MPH
Then raise the speed to 4.6-5.5 for 1 min
Then raise the speed to 7 for 1 min
again raise the speed to 8 for 1 min
Then raise the speed to 9-9.5 for 1 min
Take it back down to 4 MPR for 1 min

You do that 3 times, then on the last round right after running for 1 minute at 9 MPH--raise the speed to 10 MPH AND put the incline on 10 as well--and run for 1 minute, then walk for 2, and your done.

That has actually become too easy for me now---so I've made another one.

So basically, I can handle hard sprinting--did you know the treadmil only goes to 10 MPH? I never knew that.
 
oh yeah, to answer the question about trying "harder" stuff, I have never, and would really like to see if I can reach my goals with out going to such extremes.:)
 
Your calorie intake is too low in my opinion. I think you should up the carbs a bit. If you are really good at cardio, that's probably the best sign that your body has successfully adapted to it, and thereby conserving calories. Consider some other cardio exercise than the treadmill, maybe jumprope or biking or the step thingy.
 
That was my comment. The cals are too low; the body's in a rut. A bunch of things need to be changed, and the cardio has nothing to do with it.
 
J.

I notice that you seem to alternate between elliptical trainer and treadmill for cardio. These are essentially the same movement. I am gathering that your body has adapted to the form of cardio that you are performing. Essentially, each time your body performs a movement or task, it looks to conserve as much energy as possible. Basically, your body has become a more efficient engine and uses less fuel to complete your tasks. I would do one of 2 things to remedy this.

1)Current research has shown that anaerobic exercise is much better at burning fat than aerobic exercise. go to www.t-mag.com and search for "Fat Meltdown. It details a training method that will totally shock your system.

2)This is a little easier than number one. Basically, switch from a predominantly lower body cardio, to a predominantly upper body type of cardio. Rowing and boxing are the two I would choose from. While rowing tends to use your whole body, you can easily limit the use of the legs and make it a predominantly upper body movement. At first you weill not be able to go all that long, but this is a result of your body getting shocked. You should see immediate results from this.

I don't think your calories are the problem at all. Think in terms of a car, which will work better at burning more fuel:

1)Putting more gas in the car

2)Pulling a trailer behind the car up a hill.
 
My body type does not want to lose fat, but I have an easy time gaining muscle. So, for the last 2 weeks, I have been doing an hour of cardio, 6 days a week, and will continue for 1 more week, then go back to my normal training. Anyhow, I'm not losing fat/weight/inches. What gives? I couldn't be GAINING muslce with this much cardio right? But I feel like I'm getting stronger---I still weight train as well. WTF

Whoa! Holy cow, girl, you sound EXACTLY like me! I've been on a serious cut now since Aug. 10th and my fat loss is going WAY too slow! I've only lost 1% body fat in the past 3 weeks! I swear I have tried everything! I have tweaked my diet about a dozen times, and I eat VERY clean except for protein bars which I just recently cut out so I'll see if that helps and also just started taking a fat burner this week. I am having as much trouble as you! And I've kept my slow burning carbs at 180 grams a day or lower, have been doing that since I started this diet! This new tweak I'm doing to my diet, I go 60 g carbs for 2-3 days then on the 3rd or 4th day I go back up to 180 g carbs and back to my maintenance calories, I'm trying more of a cycling diet now to see what that does. But I have also played with my cardio, went from none for a while, to twice a week to 6 times a week, and now 3 times a week, and I've done low intensity, high intensity interval, changing aerobics machines, you name it, I've done it. Also played with my training split a bit as well. I swear I've done everything and my body just seems to adapt or something. It just seems to really hold on to the fat and I continue to slowly get stronger as well. I even put on 2.5 lbs in the last 3 weeks while my bf % went down by 1. But 1% is NOT acceptable to me, that's only like 1.5 lbs in 3 weeks! So I feel your pain girl, and am ecstatic that I'm NOT the only one with this problem! On my strict days, I am only about 500 cals below my maintenance cals so I wouldn't think that my metabolism has slowed too much, plus I'm cycling my cals now to help keep it up. But one thing different though, sounds like your cals are WAY too low and that could be one of your problems, your body probably thinks it's starving and is holding on to any bit of fat it can. I am 5'5" 142 lbs, my maintenance cals are 2650 a day and on my strict dieting days, I take in about 2150. So since you are bigger than me, sounds like you might need to actually increase your cals to reset your body's metabolism. You don't want to screw it up like that then you would always be stuck being super strict and low cals just to prevent your body from storing calories. Anyway, just trying to help a fellow BB with the same problem I'm having! If you figure out what kicks you out of your plateau, please let me know! I am desperately trying to get lean. I started at 22% bf on Aug. 9th and am only down to 18.4%, 2 months later. I don't think that is very good progress, does anyone agree? As far as I can tell and I've been told, that my body type is meso-endo. I'm open for any suggestions as well as I am in the same boat! :confused:
 
Chosser, I disagree on both those points.

Upper body cardio is inferior for calorie burning, and anaerobic exercise is likewise not superior if you're trying to use exercise to create a caloric deficit.

That said, I don't believe that more exercise is the answer.

I sent Jen an e-mail, I haven't heard back, so I'm supposing she's either obscenely busy, or not interested in hearing another viewpoint, but I DID recommend she up her cals as well; her metabolism is no doubt rather stagnant right now.

Cheetarah, forget that meso-endo body type crap. really, all it has to do with is genetic predisposition with regards to overall metabolic speed and bone structure. Unless you have a chemical imbalance, your body should be able to drop more fat.

Do me a favor: Post your ENTIRE week's worth of workouts, along with approximate time of workouts, sets done, and minutes spent (and calories expended) on the various cardio machines.

And write down a sample day's diet. There are various ways to break a plateau, more information might help other people find problems or things that might need some altering.

Again, feel free to shoot me a PM or e-mail with all this information for more personalized feedback (provided I have the time).

Good luck to you.
 
forget that meso-endo body type crap. really, all it has to do with is genetic predisposition with regards to overall metabolic speed and bone structure. Unless you have a chemical imbalance, your body should be able to drop more fat.

Belial, thanks so much for your interest in helping me, I really appreciate it! Only reason I mentioned my body type was cause I believe my genetics make it easy for me to put on muscle and at the same time hard to lose the fat. I have had my thyroid checked recently and all my thyroid hormone levels are within normal range with my T3 actually even on the high side. Anyway, I just started my new current program of diet and training on the 7th so I really will not be able to tell if it's working or not for 2 more weeks which is when I'll get my body fat checked again. I get calipered every 3 weeks on Fridays. So at that time, if it hasn't given me better results than I have been getting, then I will definitely let you know, post my whole program and see if you can offer any suggestions. Until then, I'd rather just stick to what I have til I see if it works or not. But here's the general description.

For my diet, okay, my maintenance calories (checked and averaged back in beginning of Aug) are 2650. With this diet, my average cals per week is 427 cals below maintenance. Sundays ratio is 211g P/123g C/90g F per day (2146 cals) and I have 3 hours of speed skating practice that day. Mon & Tue my ratio is 252/60/102 for 2166 cals. Wed is 210/180/78 for 2262 cals. Thu & Fri same as Mon & Tue. Sat is like a carb-up and closer to my maintenance calories day, day before my 3 hour speed skating practice. My ratio is 210/210/90 on Sat. for a total of 2490 cals. I was actually thinking about going ahead and just making Sat. a maintenance calorie day just to help keep my metabolism up. But anyway, that is my new diet plan I just started on the 7th.

My training goes like this: Sunday - 3 hours of speed skating practice. Monday - hour of cardio and abs. Tuesday - Legs and calves. I will usually pick 4 or 5 different exercises for legs (do the same thing for about 2 weeks) and do 3-4 sets in the 12-20 rep range, reason is cause my legs are way ahead of my upper body mass wise from skating so I do less weight, higher reps. Calves I usually do anywhere from 6-12 sets going heavy one week and lighter more reps the next week. When I go heavy they are sore for 5 days! I pound the heck out of them cause they lack definition. Anyway, Wednesday - chest & tris. I do 3-4 sets of 8-12 reps for each exercise using barbells and dumbbells (usually for 2 weeks at a time) doing incline, flat, and flies. For tris, I do 3 or 4 exercises (whatever I feel like) for 3-4 sets each exercise for 10-15 reps. I've been doing a lot of dips right around the 10 rep range. Thursday - back & bis. I do 4 sets of wide grip pullups right around 10 reps and 3 or 4 sets of close grip pullups (again around 10 reps) sometimes supersetted with the wide grip. Then I pick 2 more exercises to do 3 sets on in the 8-12 rep range. Then for bis, whatever exercises I feel like doing, I do 3 exercises, 3 sets each, in the 8-10 rep range. Fridays - shoulders and cardio. I will do 4 exercises for shoulders in the 8-12 rep range pretty much using exercises to really try to put mass on my side delts right now cause that's where I need work. Many times I will start and end with a good mass builder. For cardio, either an hour or 30 min whatever I have time for. Saturdays are my off days.

And that is the current program I'm using. The training part is based off where I need improvement on my physique. Only other thing I can say is that I eat very clean. I dropped the protein bars just this week. So the foods I eat in my meals are: red salmon, tuna, olive oil, chicken (thighs & breasts), eggs (usually 4 yolks a day at most and two per meal), oatmeal, sugar free syrup, natural peanut butter, natural applesauce (only once per day), spinach, broccoli, green beans, asparagus, brown rice, whole wheat bread (but only in meals 1-3), protein shakes, heavy whipping cream, glutamine, multi-vitamins, whey aminos, liver tablets, just started taking MD6 and Yohimbe on Sunday. Also taking L-carnitine, green tea, sometimes caffeine tablets. I've been eating this clean since Aug. 10th (except I was having protein bars). And I've been training my butt off very consistently. Only cheat I have is a Cookies & Cream Bio Protein bar (26 grams sugar) right before speed skating practice and I just started that. Before this diet, I was keeping my carbs around 100 a day every day then on Sat eve last meal I'd carb up with oatmeal and some fetuccine pasta.

So do you see what I mean? You would think I would be having more sucess than a 1% loss over 3 weeks! So yes I am open to suggestions however, understand that I probably won't incorporate the suggestions until I see if this current plan works, I have to see if this works first, know what I mean? Starting a thermo might even BE just enough to break my plateau, we'll see. But thanks for taking the time to read this novel I posted and offering help. It's so nice to have virtual trainers!:D
 
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