I can't stand this bullshit anymore!

[Trevdog]

Ercole I beg to differ. Your statement that we "big dose boys" ALWAYS look fat, covered with zits, blah, blah, blah is more wrong than it is right.

I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.

When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.

Its too individual.

I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story.

 

[boss]

I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!

now quad please dont take this personally cause it isnt meant like the way i am going to say it......i agree with you 100% ....BUT...a thread like this is what people are getting banned for. flaming people and telling them your ready to throw down doesnt tell them anything but to be an ass if they dont agree. i have nothing but respect for you with what you have done to be where you are today but as far as boards go i dont agree. i think it could have been put a different way to get the point across.........again it's kinda off the wall to talk like that and for a MOD to say it. just my 2 cents and nothing personal.

 

[Quadsweep]

Re: Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore!

now quad please dont take this personally cause it isnt meant like the way i am going to say it......i agree with you 100% ....BUT...a thread like this is what people are getting banned for. flaming people and telling them your ready to throw down doesnt tell them anything but to be an ass if they dont agree. i have nothing but respect for you with what you have done to be where you are today but as far as boards go i dont agree. i think it could have been put a different way to get the point across.........again it's kinda off the wall to talk like that and for a MOD to say it. just my 2 cents and nothing personal.

Actually I was not a Mod when I wrote that. it was a long time ago. As a Mod I would not have put it in that way at all. I would still be agressive but with more candor. I appreciate your input...dick...Just kidding!

Quad

 

[IJ26]

I think this is a great post bc it is a waste for newbies to use so much gear. Im on my 3rd cycle and although during my 1st 2 I wasnt as educated as I am now but I saw great results on low doses. Now Im using 75 mg tren eod and 100 mg prop eod and this by far the most gear Ive run.

 

[fettdeff]

Re: Amen!

Yea, Quadsweep, for giving the message that cannot be repeated too often.

There are a lot of youngsters on these boards who are at the age where they think it's cool to drink ten beers, pass out and vomit all over the interior of their Dad's car.

Taking the same idiotic "more is better" approach to gear can cause serious side effects that these ignorant kids don't know or care about. Most teenage boys don't even realize doing gear or GH at their age is likely to mean they WILL ALWAYS STAY 5'7", for the rest of their lives. Nice work, boys!

Wake up, children! Listen to Uncle Quadsweep!

I never touched gear until I was over 25, and have always used conservative doses. Now I'm over 40 and my avatar will show you how I look. That's the result of using SMALL doses.

Besides the serious damage mega-doses can do to your physical and mental health, Quadsweep's right that these Big Dose Boys nearly always look like SHIT ... big bloated blobs of fat and flesh covered with oozing boils and zits, with big disgusting guts hanging over their lifting belts.

Who has EVER thought this was a cool way to look? Liked the say, the most important bodypart in training is your BRAIN. Use it, guys, use it!

yeah. i must say you are an good example of how it should be done. people shuldnt use AAS if they are under 25 years old. i hope i have a body like that when i am at your age.

 

[Ercole]

Trevdog, I totally agree that individuals differ, but I think what we're talking about here is young guys thinking about their first cycle. Someone posted "recommending 250 mg of test/ week" to a newcomer was ridiculous. I would say if a newcomer doesn't respond well to that dose he should forget bodybuilding and take up basketball or something. Clearly he doesn't have the genetics for the sport.

It is insane to suggest higher doses to someone who hasn't even tried low doses yet. The rule should always be AS LITTLE GEAR AS POSSIBLE to keep on gaining. Anything else is simply nuts.

The "more is better" approach is leading thousands of skinny 18 year olds to gobble toxic Anadrols like candy. This kind of madness will lead to illnesses and some deaths and provoke harder state and federal crack-downs on gear.

Overusing gear leads to problems and problems lead to law enforcement throwing all of us in jail. Not what I want to see.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Trevdog
Ercole I beg to differ. Your statement that we "big dose boys" ALWAYS look fat, covered with zits, blah, blah, blah is more wrong than it is right.

I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.

When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.

Its too individual.

I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story. [/QUOTE]

 

[babbabuee]

Great post, and I will read the whole thing later, but for now I'd appreciate some feedback on my proposed 2nd cycle.

I'm 32 5'8 170lbs, been lifting for a while, more serioulsy the past year or two.

first cycle was:
sust 500mg wks 1-10
dbol 25mg wks 1-4

I was planning on doing the following for my next cycle:
Test Enan 500/wk
EQ 400/wk
both for 10-12 weeks.

I posted this cycle before to see what guys thought and most of the replies I got told me that would be just fine.

What do you guys think?

I'll kick down some karma if I have any left to give for some insightful answers.

 

[Quadsweep]

I think you are on the right track...a little high on the test second time out...actually I would do 300mg a week each. You are really close to a gram with your planned cycle.

Quad

 

[boss]

Re: Re: Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore!

Actually I was not a Mod when I wrote that. it was a long time ago. As a Mod I would not have put it in that way at all. I would still be agressive but with more candor. I appreciate your input...dick...Just kidding!

Quad

holy shit i do remember that thread now!!! ok i still agree with you.........

 

[promet1]

"High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense"

Well said........

I think these guys that abuse Juice think the they can just drink protien shakes and Read M&F and they will grow like a weed.............LOL