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Swole_2112

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I've done a decent number of cycles and haven't maintained gains from a one of them. Granted, I have not always made the most sensible decisions at the conclusions of my cycles. And, I have not always done PCT. However, there have been several cycles where I did a good PCT, but, given enough time, I ultimately drop back to the state I was in before I began. Why is that? I think it's just the way my body is. It has a muscle mass limit which is written in my genes. The juice takes me past that level, but, once I come off I begin to return to my previous level of mass. What do you guys think?

Most of my cycles have been 8-10 weeks long. Consisting primarily of test, d-bol, some winny and EQ.
 
Swole_2112 said:
I've done a decent number of cycles and haven't maintained gains from a one of them. Granted, I have not always made the most sensible decisions at the conclusions of my cycles. And, I have not always done PCT. However, there have been several cycles where I did a good PCT, but, given enough time, I ultimately drop back to the state I was in before I began. Why is that? I think it's just the way my body is. It has a muscle mass limit which is written in my genes. The juice takes me past that level, but, once I come off I begin to return to my previous level of mass. What do you guys think?

Most of my cycles have been 8-10 weeks long. Consisting primarily of test, d-bol, some winny and EQ.
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stats...years lifting....That might have something to do with it....Also diet...You can just eat like a madman while bulking then all of a sudden stop when ur done....you still gotta eat like a man 20 lbs heavier!
 
2 reasons, either you're at your genetic limits already or you don't know how to train/diet right.

I top out at around 205-210ish at 12% if I come off for a long time. Actually I'd probably top out at closer to 150 now given that I'm shutdown, but that's what HRT is for :)

Basically it's very easy to lose everything you gain on juice
 
glennds said:
yup something noone on here wants to believe.
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Yes, I believe it is true but most do not want to face it. If I stay off too long I will lost everything that I gained during the cycle,even when a good pct is done. I think the genetic limit thing is true, For someone that has been training for a long time and reached their limit it is near impossible to maintain most of the gains if you do not go back on cycle within a certain time.
 
A lot of the gains are often waterweight. The muscles are more filled with blood and muscle and you look as you have gained a few pounds.

If you have problems maintaining your gains I would do this:

Start low, use a low dose of gear and always focus on the diet and training. A slow gain is in my point of view a better pick than a rapid.
Try a low dose cycle, 10mg dbol for 60days might give you mkore than you think. The dose is very low and will probably increase the protein synthesis.

The cycles I've been most happy about is the ones with winny. I use 50mg ED for 6-8 weeks and that's it. Right now I'm also using Propionate EOD at a dose of 50mg. I use 50mg winny Ed. I've gained about 8lb, and have lost some fat. Change your calorie intake after your weight. I see people eating a lot on gear and when they go off the cycle they go back to "normal" life and eat too little. Train hard but not toooooo often, you will need the rest.
 
Genetic potential sounds like it has been reached...

Ask yourselves this question :(

If you WERENT able to gain it naturally, what makes you think you can keep it once you go back to being natural???
(I would ask that to EVERYONE, not just this thread poster...)
 
MrRTTB said:
A lot of the gains are often waterweight. The muscles are more filled with blood and muscle and you look as you have gained a few pounds.

If you have problems maintaining your gains I would do this:

Start low, use a low dose of gear and always focus on the diet and training. A slow gain is in my point of view a better pick than a rapid.
Try a low dose cycle, 10mg dbol for 60days might give you mkore than you think. The dose is very low and will probably increase the protein synthesis.

The cycles I've been most happy about is the ones with winny. I use 50mg ED for 6-8 weeks and that's it. Right now I'm also using Propionate EOD at a dose of 50mg. I use 50mg winny Ed. I've gained about 8lb, and have lost some fat. Change your calorie intake after your weight. I see people eating a lot on gear and when they go off the cycle they go back to "normal" life and eat too little. Train hard but not toooooo often, you will need the rest.
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One problem with eating off cycle like you were when you were on cycle is the fact that your metabolisim has slowed down considerably and you just end up putting on fat while you lose some muscle.
 
maldorf said:
One problem with eating off cycle like you were when you were on cycle is the fact that your metabolisim has slowed down considerably and you just end up putting on fat while you lose some muscle.
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There is no need to eat for 2 while bulking on a cycle. People eat too much on cycles, instead eat big but clean all the time and you will not loose the gains that easy and not put on a lot of fat while off cycle.
 
glennds said:
yup something noone on here wants to believe.
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Yes, this particularly applies to strength gains. I always lose a significant amount of what I gained on my bench etc. When I competed in "not-tested" Powerlifting, I was on all year. I bridged with Prop and nandrolone, and then hit it hard with D-rol, Enathate or Suspension, Tren when I was training specifically for a comp. I have been clean 1 1/2 years now. I lost all my gains. However, I am now looking good naturally and very strong again.

Anyone who says they kept their strength gains after such a drop in testosterone levels after coming of is fooling themselves.

Good post
 
I'm glad most of you here see it for what it is... GENETIC LIMIT. Excellent point, if you couldn't gain it while natural, what makes you think you can keep it once you come off. Excellent. I think juice can take you to your gentic potential, but not past it.

With that in mind, should one either stay on permantly or not go on at all?
 
Swole_2112 said:
With that in mind, should one either stay on permantly or not go on at all?
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now that i have some AAS experience and knowledge i am convinced steroids are as addicitive , mentally, as a rec drug. it is very difficult to give up that high of being bigger, stronger, and buffer that comes with steroid use.
 
Swole_2112 said:
I'm glad most of you here see it for what it is... GENETIC LIMIT. Excellent point, if you couldn't gain it while natural, what makes you think you can keep it once you come off.
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Diet. Genetic limit is an excuse, imo. You can't put on 8 lbs of muscle in a couple weeks then 1) eat the way you did while on or 2) eat the way you did before you were on. Your body can't maintain that extra mass unless you give it the correct calories to maintain what you've added. This is where most guys fail. If you haven't figured out exactly how much (and of what) to eat to gain X amount before you're on, you'll never figure out how to keep it when you're off.
 
Swole_2112 said:
I'm glad most of you here see it for what it is... GENETIC LIMIT. Excellent point, if you couldn't gain it while natural, what makes you think you can keep it once you come off. Excellent. I think juice can take you to your gentic potential, but not past it.

With that in mind, should one either stay on permantly or not go on at all?
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In my opinion, you should try to stay off for as long as you can. I honestly believe that there are way too many people out there who are lazy. they want gains now. When you are on gear, your protein synthesis is about 50 times greater than someone who is off. So, you'll make great gains. The problem is that alot of these guys know little about proper training and nutrition. As a result, they lose everything quickly and become WORSE than when they were not using at all.

There is one guy in our gym and I regard him as nothing more than a joke. His training is shit, his nutrition is shit, he spends most of the time poncing around the gym, but thanks to a truck load of gear, he looks great. However, when he comes off, he literally falls to pieces in a few weeks. then....Boom...Back again!

Don't stay on all the time. I did that and I would not recommend it. Fuck it, we're amateur BB's. At least Ronnie and Jay get paid for going to the expence and danger of loading themselves all year.

If you use the time off = time on (10 weeks of a cycle, then 10 weeks off everything after you did your PCT), you will still have kept a decent amount and will quickly pick up on your next one. Don't bridge. Instead accept it as part of BB that you'll lose abit while off.

So, the only way to keep your gains, is to do another cycle ater appropriate time off. Then, when you reach the day that you decide never to juice again, expect to find it mentally hard. I did....but now look and feel great natural. Never said I'd never cycle again, but this time I'm in no rush!
 
Swole_2112 said:
I've done a decent number of cycles and haven't maintained gains from a one of them. Granted, I have not always made the most sensible decisions at the conclusions of my cycles. And, I have not always done PCT. However, there have been several cycles where I did a good PCT, but, given enough time, I ultimately drop back to the state I was in before I began. Why is that? I think it's just the way my body is. It has a muscle mass limit which is written in my genes. The juice takes me past that level, but, once I come off I begin to return to my previous level of mass. What do you guys think?

Most of my cycles have been 8-10 weeks long. Consisting primarily of test, d-bol, some winny and EQ.
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With proper PCT, I tend to keep some size and some strength but, my bench goes right in the crapper about two weeks out. :sulk:

Come to think of it, my diet kind of goes in the crapper too. :rolleyes:
 
concordsize said:
If everyone keept all there gains post cycle we would all be 280 10%
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Yeah :D
That is why I just laugh sometimes when I see guys saying, I gained 30 lbs on my frist cycle...And 20 lbs on the 2nd one...and gained 25 lbs on my last cycle...

So that is 75 lbs gained on just 3 cycles, yet they still are under 200 lbs :p :o
 
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The Terminator said:
Yeah :D
That is why I just laugh sometimes when I see guys saying, I gained 30 lbs on my frist cycle...And 20 lbs on the 2nd one...and gained 25 lbs on my last cycle...

So that is 75 lbs gained on just 3 cycles, yet they still are under 200 lbs :p :o
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:laugh2: :spit: ROFLMFAO
 
Swole_2112 said:
I'm glad most of you here see it for what it is... GENETIC LIMIT. Excellent point, if you couldn't gain it while natural, what makes you think you can keep it once you come off. Excellent. I think juice can take you to your gentic potential, but not past it.

With that in mind, should one either stay on permantly or not go on at all?
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What are your stats? Im willing to bet that your problem lies in your diet.
 
This is one reason why i always say it's not what you weigh but what you look like. this is also another reason y it took me so long ( 2years ) to actually start my first run (which is dbol only at that). I started working out 3 years ago on and off at around 180 fat and out of shape from a broken ankle. well the past few years i've played with my wieght going from 180 down to 160 back to around 170 and so forth. Now so far this summer with the heat i'm shedding weight like a mofo. So in short all i'm looking to get myself back to most weight i've ever weighed while staying shredded - which shouldn't be that hard to obtain being that my body has held that weight before. So my opinion in keeping gains is first see how your body holds the extra weight. This is why i think the big guys get so bloated in the off season so when it comes showtime they get shredded and have no problem looking jacked.
 
The Terminator said:
Yeah :D
That is why I just laugh sometimes when I see guys saying, I gained 30 lbs on my frist cycle...And 20 lbs on the 2nd one...and gained 25 lbs on my last cycle...

So that is 75 lbs gained on just 3 cycles, yet they still are under 200 lbs :p :o
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yeah that cracks me up too.. I see the same guys talkin about how they gained X amount of 'rock hard muscle' on every cycle, but they're tiny.
 
SO i guess that all the studies about HGH and creating new permanent genetic limits for growth is absolute horse shit? man we have been fed some hefty lies. muscular developement comes to mind, they fucking hype every drug in the sun..politics? probably so
 
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