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Hygetropin Gh = Brown Tops???
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WannaImpress
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kb, yes bro "Hygetropin" are/is what we currently refer to as the generic 8IU GH vials. 
WannaImpress
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kbrkbr said:Thanks big guy. I kinda figured you'd know.
I hope this doesn't mean the price will go up. Think I'm gonna place an order for browns this week.
Kb, from my understanding price will be going up bro but very minuscule, just enough to cover the boxes, labeling, etc..... How many IU's are you taking of the Generics and how are results?
Hope your well bro.
WI, I'm taking 8iu every other day. 4iu late morning, 4iu late afternoon. I do this to give my body time to recover its sensitivity to exogenous gh. I can send you some articles if you want.
I love the browns. At one point I thought I had received a shipment that was somehow weaker, but that turned out to be a mistake on my part.
My only disappointment with gh is that it doesn't heal the tendons of my lower legs as quickly as I would like. I would love to be able to run again, but my lower legs ache so much afterwards that running is now impossible for me.
I love the browns. At one point I thought I had received a shipment that was somehow weaker, but that turned out to be a mistake on my part.
My only disappointment with gh is that it doesn't heal the tendons of my lower legs as quickly as I would like. I would love to be able to run again, but my lower legs ache so much afterwards that running is now impossible for me.
Cauliflower Ear
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so you think it is better to run gh at 8iu every other day rather than 4iu ed?
Cauliflower Ear said:
I'm trying it out. The following is by BMF2 on Qualitymuscle. Similar threads have been run here, and at CEM and AF.
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GH - (ed verses eod)
A very thorough well controlled 4 year study published on
The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 87, No.8 3573-3577
clearly shows every other day (EOD) hGH injections to be much more beneficial in
the long run to everyday injections. Everyday injections seems to drastically lower
your body's sensitivity to it's own GH secretion. The study included children with idiopathic
short stature, but can be ever casting on us, normal non-deficient hGH individuals who
may use hGH periodically for bodybuilding, sports and health purposes.
The 38 children were divided into 2 groups:
Group I received daily hGH injections.
Group II received alternate day hGH injections.
It is important to note that the total weekly dosage of hGH
was the same for both groups.
Both groups received the hGH therapy contiguously for 2 years.
Their natural growth was followed for an additional 2 years after hGH therapy ended.
They were all measured at 3-month intervals during the 4 years period (2 years
with hGH therapy and 2 years after). Their Serum GH was measured by double antibody RIA kit.
During hGH therapy, both groups accelerated their growth substantially.
Group I receiving the daily hGH injections first & second year velocity was 3.4 and 2.3 SD
Group II receiving the alternate hGH inj. had 3.0 and 2.0 SD for first and second year respectively.
Over the initial 6 months after withdrawal of therapy, growth velocity decelerated to a low nadir -3.9 SD score
for the daily therapy group, whereas it decelerated in the alternate day group to only -0.2 SD score.
During the 2 years off therapy, the later group (taking EOD injections)
maintained growth rates of -0.2 to -1.2 SD score, which is similar to their SD score prior to the hGH treatment.
The daily group also recovered but very slowly, on the fourth semiannual evaluation off therapy.
The cumulative 4-year growth velocity (2yrs on and 2 yrs off therapy) of the alternate day group was greater
than that of the daily therapy group (mean, 0.9 vs. 0.3 SD score).
At the end of the 4-yr therapy period, the adult height prediction of the alternate day group was greater
than that of the daily group by a mea of 6.5cm (that's over 2.5" in height, quite a lot of difference)
In even simpler English, to translate what it may mean to us is that using hGH everyday will only
negligibly give better short-term results. Yet using alternate day hGH will give radically better long-term
results and much better recovery. As the body may get back to homeostasis much faster.
Remember the two groups got the same weekly total hGH dosage,
so your every other day hGH injections would be twice as if you used
it every day.
The researchers said, the dose was of less impotency than the schedule of the injections.
Daily hGH therapy for 3 years caused subnormal growth persisting for 1.5 years (very bad)
It may be that the problem is not enough hGH or IGF-1 secretion but rather
the body's decreased sensitivity to it. The interesting part is that the serum GH levels
and serum IGF-I and IGF-binding protein remained unaffected or relatively mutely affected.
Even your body's endogenous pulsatile secretion of GH resumes within just days
even after long-term hGH therapy.
The researchers hypothesis is that the tolerance may be in the "GH signal transduction in
selective target organs in response to the disappearance of the unique pulsatile
pattern of serum GH during GH therapy". You see, hGH taken via sc injections
do not imitate the your body's own GH secretion.
"Indeed, daily sc administration of GH results in an unphysiological serum GH profile, with peak
levels at 4 h and a slow decline over the course of the following 12–24 h. This pattern can be
regarded as continuous administration, rather than the physiological GH pulses,
with a frequency of about eight per day."
"Assuming that the withdrawal syndrome is related to tolerance that might have developed toward
hGH or IGF-I, we tried to prevent it by alternate day treatment. Moreover, hGH doses used in
therapy often stimulate IGF-I to supraphysiological serum levels, suggesting that target
tissues IGF-I may also be higher than normal. The mechanism seems, therefore, to rest
with hGH and IGF-I action at their target tissues. We now show that alternate day therapy
with hGH in children with an intact GH-IGF-I axis prevents the withdrawal syndrome"
Researchers mark the analogy to another endocrine tolerance and withdrawal syndrome:
"alternate day therapy with glucocoricoids prevents tolerance to that hormone to a substantial degree,
"Interestingly, glucocoricoids withdrawal syndrome can also occur while the
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis is intact (, indicating that tolerance to glucocoricoids has developed
at the target organ level (9). "
An example of a good safe protocol to follow in my opinion could be
hGH taken for 4 months (16 weeks) or more at 8IU every other day,
split to 4IU three hours after waking up (say 11:00am)
and another 4IU taken 4 hours later (say 3:00pm).
This approach is quite conservative and may be optimal.
Obviously, you may extend past 4months, and take more IUs per day.
This approach goes with 8IU EOD, so it is equivalent to folks that would
otherwise go with 4IU ED, which is what most do.
There is some controversy as to how many of these IUs the body
can utilize at once
Obviously, there are lot of studies, some better conducted, some less.
Lots of opinions and doctrines in endocrinology, bodybuilding etc..
So you should make your own decision, I guess old individuals on
hGH for life would not mind, as no rebound would affect them. Professional
bodybuilders probably wouldn't mind as well.
I would rather follow a protocol like this. For most part due to the
nasty rebound that I could get after withdrawing from long-term ED hGH treatment.
Nothing worse then look awesome, stop hGH then after several months having:
Low body sensitivity to your own body's GH.
Slow recovery
Decline in resting cardiac output
Increase fat mass
Decrease in metabolic rate
Negative nitrogen balance, phosphorus, sodium and potassium.
Again, I said "could" not "would", because this study cannot absolutely manifest
our use of hGH. Moreso, we are not children, we are not idiopathic hGH deficient
and not aGHD. But since the weekly dosages do remain the same as well as the
duration of the hGH usage. Just changing to the EOD protocol from the well
hyped everyday inj protocol is worth in my honest opinion. It seems statistically
a better bet, with more chance to win, than loose as opposed to the ED protocol.
I just tried to summarize the findings of the study, which was by the way,
a pleasure to read as the study is well written and was prepared by
Dr Hochberg, MD, a renowned well respected figure in endocrinology.
You can read the full article with all the graphs and details here:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/87/8/3573
With references to 23 studies.
Here are some interesting graphs:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/conten...g0828721002.gif
This graph shows the difference growth velocity difference pre GH treatment, and at the
end of the trial, 4 years after (2 years after withdrawal from GH treatment)
The dark bar marks the alternate day injections. The light bar marks the every day injections,
note that the every day injections group saw worse long-term (4 yrs) results as opposed
to the alternate day group.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/conten...g0828721003.gif
This graph shows the annual bone age advancement in children treated with
alternate GH injections and daily injections.
The light bar marks the every day injections, the dark bar the alternate day injections.
In first two years (the years they were taking hGH), take a look at the relatively
small advantage ED injections gave over the EOD inj, as opposed to the 2 years
after withdrawal of the treatment.
Cauliflower Ear said:
Bro, if you want to read a really long, but really informative thread I made about this topic then check out my thread on MindandMuscle.com here:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=119&t=24445&st=0#entry345974
With the research I have been able to locate, yes, EOD can be as good as ED. I am not advocating only EOD though. I think that you can cycle ED and EOD cycles which would allow time periods for your endogenous GH pulsality to resume in order to maintain proper function of the GH receptors. I went back and forth with a few people on this, but it ended with no one questioning me anymore.
Check out the thread - there is plenty of info there. Understand though that the thread progressed a lot, so what is at the beginning may not be entirely correct, but by the end it seems to have been pretty much figured out and no one has anything to say anymore.
Cauliflower Ear
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yeah now i am just confused
maxpain said:
Indeed it is, that is how I get it for practically nothing per kit.
That is also how I get Nandrolone and Testosterone from the pharmacy too.
But for your question, no I am not HIV+ but here in FTL, it is fairly easy to find people with scripts who are and do not want to use the scripts and will gladly sell it off to others. Same way as in CA.
maxpain said:
ATL is not that bad.
I actually scored everything you see in this thread (minus the TT EQ and proviron) from Atlanta six months before moving here to FTL.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67099
For under $800 (except the Eq and proviron)
And didn't even use the organon and schein. Traded that shit off for winstrol and EQ.
I am not sure what the scene in ATL is like now, but World Class Fitness when it was open on Cheshire Bridge was a haven for drug sales and illegal business of all types.
The old Coffee's gym (they moved to new location years ago) was the same way. You could actually see used syringes in the trash can. The front desk had a fish bowl with free alcohol swabs up front.
Main Event Fitness in Marietta had some aerobic instructor that weighed 185 lbs and had 19" calves with red spots the size of your palms on the inside areas from the implants being too close to the surface. He used to wear make up on it to cover up the permanent red spots but when he sweated the makeup would run down to the top of the black combat boots he wore. He sold more shit out of his car in a week than a pharmacy imported for an entire month. He supplied nearly every single girl from TattleTails, Gold Club and Pink Pony with their Fastin and obenix quantities.
Bindley Western who is the largest distributor of pharmacy products to Walgreens and CVS units has a warehouse out in Norcross. It was not unusual for one of their shipping trucks to get jacked about once every 4 months. Of course you just put word out to the local Ritalin and Vicodin dopeheads that you were looking for non narcotic shit and they would pass the word along to put certain things on "the list" to remove from the truck once they jacked it.
I am not sure what the scene in ATL is like now, but World Class Fitness when it was open on Cheshire Bridge was a haven for drug sales and illegal business of all types.
The old Coffee's gym (they moved to new location years ago) was the same way. You could actually see used syringes in the trash can. The front desk had a fish bowl with free alcohol swabs up front.
Main Event Fitness in Marietta had some aerobic instructor that weighed 185 lbs and had 19" calves with red spots the size of your palms on the inside areas from the implants being too close to the surface. He used to wear make up on it to cover up the permanent red spots but when he sweated the makeup would run down to the top of the black combat boots he wore. He sold more shit out of his car in a week than a pharmacy imported for an entire month. He supplied nearly every single girl from TattleTails, Gold Club and Pink Pony with their Fastin and obenix quantities.
Bindley Western who is the largest distributor of pharmacy products to Walgreens and CVS units has a warehouse out in Norcross. It was not unusual for one of their shipping trucks to get jacked about once every 4 months. Of course you just put word out to the local Ritalin and Vicodin dopeheads that you were looking for non narcotic shit and they would pass the word along to put certain things on "the list" to remove from the truck once they jacked it.
Cauliflower Ear
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uhhh okay on you guys....so what do youu guys really think...ed for 4 weeks then eod for 4 weeks...back and forth...??
Cauliflower Ear said:
Did you take 20 minutes and read that thread on mindandmuscle I linked?? There is a lot of info in that thread. There are explanations of the tolerance issues and what causes them. The truth is there is a small benefit to doing ED cycles while on them - but once removed the GH receptors are resistant to the body's own GH...so periods of EOD prevents that from happening.
4 or 6 weeks of ED followed by 4 weeks of EOD would be the best of both worlds. No one has posted up any clinical evidence that contradicts this...but there is all kinds of info I put in that M&M thread to support it.
Read the thread, see what you think, and make a decision for yourself. Then post up and bring your questions and concerns to be answered.
Cauliflower Ear said:
I want to be honest here, I've tried every dosing schedule conceivable and I really can't tell the difference between 5 on/2 off, ED, EOD, 2 on/1 off, 3 on/1 off.
I've decided to go with EOD because of what these articles are saying about one's body becomeing desensitized to exogenous gh when using an ED dosing schedule. jmho
kbrkbr said:
Seriously, I think you are right - there isn't much of a difference, if any. But to make some of the muscleheads happy, I decided that periods of ED would be needed to bridge the gap to make them happy. I think that you're just as good going EOD only.
The exception to this is if you are running Lr3IGF-1. IGF-1 induces a negative feedback loop with your naturnal GH. So when you are on IGF-1, you need daily administrations of GH since your body's natural GH is shut down. That is the only time that ED GH is needed really.
When injecting GH every other day, the off days that you are not injecting your body resumes producing GH. While the biggest burst of GH may happen after you fall asleep (I am sure you have all heard about this...2 hours into REM is supposed to be when the biggest burst is), your body actually produces spurts throughout the day. About 8 times total. This is what is known as GH pulsality, and this is what the GH receptors need to prevent growing tolerance to your own endogenous GH.maxpain said:
So yes, you have it right.
Cauliflower Ear
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hey great info guys...i love the article posted...i have 500iu and that is gonna be how i run it...6 weeks eod and 4 weeks ed...i also have some igf so i am gonna run the igf while i am running gh ed...thanks again bros
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