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HST Observation--From an Old-Schooler
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BigBadBootyDaddy29
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I have to chime in on the once a week mindset that people get trapped in. Somewhere back in the 90's Joe Weider needed new shit to keep selling his magazines, so he started saying so and so does this, this is so and so's split, etc.......It was all once per week bombing routines.
The majority of guys in a gym for some reason think it is the only way to train. When they ask "what are you training today?" and they don't hear something like "Back", "Chest", "Back and Bis", "Shoulders and Hams", they are shocked because they think the only way to grow is to hit each bodypart once every 7 days and work it to total destruction putting no more emphasis on a squat than they do a leg extension. In actuality, the reason they don't get the desired results is because of this mindset.
Look at this too. the only guys who get ANY results from once a week bombing are guys on AAS, they are the ones who gain 50lbs on a cycle because they simply hold their pump from workout to workout (thats ALL Weider bombing does is give you a pump, nothing else). Then they finish their cycle and lose 60lbs because this type of training simply doesn't work. AAS should finish off a physique and put strength athletes over the edge, and once you stop, you shouldn't lose much if you train using the theory of progressive resistance.
People at most gyms think my methods are unorthodox, I do a lot of 5x5, a lot of Bill Starr stuff, some Westside, a lot of Olympic movements, and I think more in terms of movements than I do bodyparts and muscle groups. People see where I am at in terms of size and strength, so they don't knock what I do because it has obviously worked for me, but on the same note they are all either too stubborn, lazy, afraid, or some combination of the three to try something different.
Some guys will say all the pros in the magazines do this or that so that must be the way to go...News Flash.....The guys in the magazines are paid for a photo shoot, as part of the deal, the magazine can say whatever the hell they want about the guy's training methods.....it is all a marketing scheme.
If everyone trained on whatever routine, but focused on progressive resistance as opposed to just blindly trying to get a burn or pump, they would get solid, basically lifelong results, but some guys are too set in their ways to stop doing the crap workouts in the rags.....seriously, who the fuck ever got anything out of a cable crossover? let alone 5 sets of them.
The only hope is for literature like MILO to become more widespread, Planet Muscle is a shot of reality and Jeff Everson is coming out with Speed-Strength-Sport, Ironman is a decent magazine also......But as long as FLEX and Musclemag dominant news stands, it is what people will be fed and it is what they will hold as gospel. Remember those old Charles Atlas ads??? Well, thats all Muscle tech ads are, just an updated version of what people keep falling for over and over again.
The majority of guys in a gym for some reason think it is the only way to train. When they ask "what are you training today?" and they don't hear something like "Back", "Chest", "Back and Bis", "Shoulders and Hams", they are shocked because they think the only way to grow is to hit each bodypart once every 7 days and work it to total destruction putting no more emphasis on a squat than they do a leg extension. In actuality, the reason they don't get the desired results is because of this mindset.
Look at this too. the only guys who get ANY results from once a week bombing are guys on AAS, they are the ones who gain 50lbs on a cycle because they simply hold their pump from workout to workout (thats ALL Weider bombing does is give you a pump, nothing else). Then they finish their cycle and lose 60lbs because this type of training simply doesn't work. AAS should finish off a physique and put strength athletes over the edge, and once you stop, you shouldn't lose much if you train using the theory of progressive resistance.
People at most gyms think my methods are unorthodox, I do a lot of 5x5, a lot of Bill Starr stuff, some Westside, a lot of Olympic movements, and I think more in terms of movements than I do bodyparts and muscle groups. People see where I am at in terms of size and strength, so they don't knock what I do because it has obviously worked for me, but on the same note they are all either too stubborn, lazy, afraid, or some combination of the three to try something different.
Some guys will say all the pros in the magazines do this or that so that must be the way to go...News Flash.....The guys in the magazines are paid for a photo shoot, as part of the deal, the magazine can say whatever the hell they want about the guy's training methods.....it is all a marketing scheme.
If everyone trained on whatever routine, but focused on progressive resistance as opposed to just blindly trying to get a burn or pump, they would get solid, basically lifelong results, but some guys are too set in their ways to stop doing the crap workouts in the rags.....seriously, who the fuck ever got anything out of a cable crossover? let alone 5 sets of them.
The only hope is for literature like MILO to become more widespread, Planet Muscle is a shot of reality and Jeff Everson is coming out with Speed-Strength-Sport, Ironman is a decent magazine also......But as long as FLEX and Musclemag dominant news stands, it is what people will be fed and it is what they will hold as gospel. Remember those old Charles Atlas ads??? Well, thats all Muscle tech ads are, just an updated version of what people keep falling for over and over again.
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Singleton
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I have some qualms with HST that I would like solutions for.
1) I get bored of having to do a set number of exercises. Some days, it's great, others, the volume is too high, others, I feel like I'm understimulated.
2) I like flushing sets, even in the 5's. I like to do, for example, a set of crossovers with a light weight for 15-20. Feels great, good for blood flow to the muscle, and helps stretch the fascia. If your juiced, the extra blood flow could really help, I think.
3) Weight is too low for most of the program. I get no growth and lose density until I get to the 5's, at which point I grow. I like to extend the 5's and build on strength. Feels good to lift heavy.
4) SD.
I don't think there' s anything to do about No. 4. It's a significant part of HST.
Sorry for being so unscientific. It's just about personal feeling, really.
1) I get bored of having to do a set number of exercises. Some days, it's great, others, the volume is too high, others, I feel like I'm understimulated.
2) I like flushing sets, even in the 5's. I like to do, for example, a set of crossovers with a light weight for 15-20. Feels great, good for blood flow to the muscle, and helps stretch the fascia. If your juiced, the extra blood flow could really help, I think.
3) Weight is too low for most of the program. I get no growth and lose density until I get to the 5's, at which point I grow. I like to extend the 5's and build on strength. Feels good to lift heavy.
4) SD.
I don't think there' s anything to do about No. 4. It's a significant part of HST.
Sorry for being so unscientific. It's just about personal feeling, really.
BigBadBootyDaddy29
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Different credible routines work for different people. As long as the routine is sound and is based on increasing the number of reps you perform with a weight or the weight you perform for a number of reps, it is fine. Whether it is Volume, HIT, 5x5, HST, DC, Westside, whatever....if it is based on progressive resistance it will work, some work better than others for different people, but they all work.
CasualBB, I don't know if your response was directed to my post of not, because I was not saying there is only one correct way to train but I stress the words credible and sound routine because I really do feel that coming into the gym and blindly pumping away 20-30 sets of useless exercises you see in a magazine just to try to feel a burn and feel demolished is a foolish waste of time because progress is what gives you strength and size gains and you cannot monitor progress on a pumping/flushing routine.
I never fail to see there is more than one way to skin a cat. I think that was Mike Mentzer's problem, he was an intelligent guy, and a sound thinker, he sought logic and reason, and he did a lot in terms of exposing how shitty a lot of people were training, but he just wouldn't acknowledge that other methods besides his were solid, and I hope I didn't come across that way.
CasualBB, I don't know if your response was directed to my post of not, because I was not saying there is only one correct way to train but I stress the words credible and sound routine because I really do feel that coming into the gym and blindly pumping away 20-30 sets of useless exercises you see in a magazine just to try to feel a burn and feel demolished is a foolish waste of time because progress is what gives you strength and size gains and you cannot monitor progress on a pumping/flushing routine.
I never fail to see there is more than one way to skin a cat. I think that was Mike Mentzer's problem, he was an intelligent guy, and a sound thinker, he sought logic and reason, and he did a lot in terms of exposing how shitty a lot of people were training, but he just wouldn't acknowledge that other methods besides his were solid, and I hope I didn't come across that way.
ironman1966
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hst and old school training is the way to go, to me training each bodypart only once a week is pure crap i tried it and it did not do a dam thing for me, then i started doing 3 fullbody workouts a week, then i strated getting stronger and bigger something that didnt happen when i trained each bodypart only once a week . as far as the bodybuilding magazines of today they all suck except for ironman magazine, if you want to read some really good magazines on bodybuilding read the old school bodybuilding magazines from the 40's and 50's and 60's , you can find these on www.ebay.com . also you can order steve reeves book building the clasic physique the natural way at www.stevereeves.com . old school bodybuilding is the way to go .
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