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So i was sitting at work i thinking. So i thought that i would ask the good folks on the EF board. If i was to take just 100mg a week of sustanon as if i was on HRT do you think i would still see some decent gains or no. Considering that i have not been on cycle yet. And i dont want to get so huge so fast to the point where the guys start asking questions at my work. They already fuck around and say that i am taking steroids and it pisses me off. I just play stupid and act like i dont know shit about steroids except for what i see on the news and leave it at that. just a question i thought i would ask. I do want to start a cycle in March and be done in June with PCT - post cycle therapy - and everything. All i was going to do for my first cycle was Sustanon @ 250mg ew for 10 wks. I just didnt was to get to big to fast seeing that i have never been on before. bla bla bla i am ranting i know
 
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You have to make a choice here...do you want to grow or just play around? I don't see any real point to just doing a "maintenance" dose so to speak. What would you want to gain from that?

My suggestion for now would be stick to your plan. Train natty until you decide to commit to your cycle in March.
 
Access said:
You have to make a choice here...do you want to grow or just play around? I don't see any real point to just doing a "maintenance" dose so to speak. What would you want to gain from that?

My suggestion for now would be stick to your plan. Train natty until you decide to commit to your cycle in March.

I agree.

I see absolutely no purpose in using 100mg of sus a week.
 
dont a maintenance dose for a first cycle bro. contrary to popular belief, if you take 250 or 500 mg of sust for 10 weeks your not gonna gain 50 lbs of muscle. aas arent magic bro. and if you do ever run a maintenance hrt type dose between cycles never use sust. use test c or e. sust at 100 mg a week will make your blood levels go fucking nuts.
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
dont a maintenance dose for a first cycle bro. contrary to popular belief, if you take 250 or 500 mg of Sustanon for 10 weeks your not gonna gain 50 lbs of muscle. anabolic androgenic steroids arent magic bro. and if you do ever run a maintenance hrt type dose between cycles never use Sustanon. use testosterone cypionate or e. Sustanon at 100 mg a week will make your blood levels go fucking nuts.

Thanks for the feedback i appreciate it from everyone. I know i am not going to gain 50 lbs on my first cycle or any cycle for that matter. I just didnt want to just up 20 lbs in 2 1/2 months and people start asking q's ya know. I am in the Military like your self Jumpmaster82....I know i would probably gain 10-15 lbs with sustanon 250 @250mgs ew for ten wks. Now if i was to take Nolvadex through out the cycle would that help with keeping the water weight down or not. I know i have heard of it hindering gains because you do need estrogen to gain muscle correct me if i am wrong i might of worded that wrong. Ok so i was going to use clomid and nolvadex for my pct after this cycle but i am just going to go with dermacrine sustain two weeks after my last shot and also use nolvadex i am trying to keep acne away from me as much as possible it seems to show up just from using pro-hormones like testanate-50.....
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
dont a maintenance dose for a first cycle bro. contrary to popular belief, if you take 250 or 500 mg of Sustanon for 10 weeks your not gonna gain 50 lbs of muscle. anabolic androgenic steroids arent magic bro. and if you do ever run a maintenance hrt type dose between cycles never use Sustanon. use testosterone cypionate or e. Sustanon at 100 mg a week will make your blood levels go fucking nuts.
Sustanon 250
(testosterone)

This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

This drug was highly sought after as a "superior" version of testosterone in the late 80´s and through the mid 90´s. No doubt this is partly due to the very nice write-up Dan Duchaine gave it in his newsletters. However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.
 
needtogetaas said:
Sustanon 250
(testosterone)

This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

This drug was highly sought after as a "superior" version of testosterone in the late 80´s and through the mid 90´s. No doubt this is partly due to the very nice write-up Dan Duchaine gave it in his newsletters. However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.

Yeah, for bodybuilders I think the appeal was that you got the kick of prop but didn't need daily shots. It's a good idea but essentially kinda pointless -- not that it didn't work. A single 250 hit with a kickstart is still mightly attractive to some guys. It would work for HRT but since you can't get a script in the US, there's no sense to it.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yeah, for bodybuilders I think the appeal was that you got the kick of testosterone propionate but didn't need daily shots. It's a good idea but essentially kinda pointless -- not that it didn't work. A single 250 hit with a kickstart is still mightly attractive to some guys. It would work for HRT but since you can't get a script in the US, there's no sense to it.

I was just throwing that info out there. My self I feel sust is a waist unless you are doing at least eod injects. In other words not for the newbs. :) Still lots of people use it at 250-500mg a week and love it.
 
needtogetaas said:
Sustanon 250
(testosterone)

This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

This drug was highly sought after as a "superior" version of testosterone in the late 80´s and through the mid 90´s. No doubt this is partly due to the very nice write-up Dan Duchaine gave it in his newsletters. However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.


its used here as hrt, one 250 shot every 2-3 weeks
 
Bad idea to do a low, "maintenance" dosage in your case... think about it... even 100mg of (exogenous) test will shut down the body's own production of natural test. Now given the assumption that you're healthy, that your natural test levels are "normal", and 100mg/wk is generally the dosage prescribed as a substitute to what the body produces naturally per week (roughly), why would you shut down your natural test for roughly the same amount of exogenous test?

If you're going to cycle, then CYCLE.... I'm not saying to run a crazy dosage of test, especially since this would be your first time....but a healthy man running an HRT dosage of test is just not worth the shutdown, sides, etc.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Bad idea to do a low, "maintenance" dosage in your case... think about it... even 100mg of (exogenous) test will shut down the body's own production of natural test. Now given the assumption that you're healthy, that your natural test levels are "normal", and 100mg/wk is generally the dosage prescribed as a substitute to what the body produces naturally per week (roughly), why would you shut down your natural test for roughly the same amount of exogenous test?

If you're going to cycle, then CYCLE.... I'm not saying to run a crazy dosage of test, especially since this would be your first time....but a healthy man running an HRT dosage of test is just not worth the shutdown, sides, etc.

This make pretty good sence to me now i never even thought about it like this. Yes i am healthy imo i dont have anything wrong with me and my diet is clean. Ok i am just going to do this.

Sustanon 250 @ 250 mgs ew for 10 wks @ 2 shots a wk
Along with Nolvadex through out the cycle to keep any unwanted side oh i am going to run the Nolvadex @ 20mgs eod do you guys think this will be to much or not.

And for my pct theropy and will continue to use the Nolvadex and two wks after my last shot i will start with my Dermacrine Sustain how does this look.
 
looks fine bro as long as you have your diet dialled in and train harder than ever before, no need to run the nolva thru out your cycle unless you start seeing sides (which i doubt you will at that dose) but if thats the case grab an AI, a much better choice than nolva for gyno sides imo
 
i noticed that when i did my very first cycle i was all afraid of people thinking holy shit hes on steroids, but man its not like you pop a needle in your ass and wake up jay cutler the next day, dont fret it bro commit to a cycle and grow ignore the comments they envy you feed on that
 
xrsist said:
its used here as hrt, one 250 shot every 2-3 weeks

Good for the Aussies, at least they're being open minded. Problem is, Sus gives a huge kick up front do it isn't a very rational HRT. Within minutes your T can be up to 6000ngs. And after 3 weeks, you'd be on the low side. A half dose one a week would make more sense. Again, sus is a good idea that doesn't pan out as very practical, but I must say I have a fondness for it
 
hooligan2004 said:
i noticed that when i did my very first cycle i was all afraid of people thinking holy shit hes on steroids, but man its not like you pop a needle in your ass and wake up jay cutler the next day, dont fret it bro commit to a cycle and grow ignore the comments they envy you feed on that


If he does his cycle correctly it may be obvious to some that he is on lets not deny that. I just started my boy on his first run and saw him for the first time in 2 weeks (he has been on for about 3 weeks) and I was astounded at how much weight and size he has gained!
 
ironcheif1984 said:
This make pretty good sence to me now i never even thought about it like this. Yes i am healthy imo i dont have anything wrong with me and my diet is clean. Ok i am just going to do this.

Sustanon 250 @ 250 mgs ew for 10 wks @ 2 shots a wk
Along with Nolvadex through out the cycle to keep any unwanted side oh i am going to run the Nolvadex @ 20mgs eod do you guys think this will be to much or not.

And for my PCT - post cycle therapy - theropy and will continue to use the Nolvadex and two wks after my last shot i will start with my Dermacrine Sustain how does this look.

Nolvadex will not help with the bloat that much it helps with gyno issues though.
Best course to prevent any sides that you talking about is to take arimidex at .25mg-.5mg EOD or E2D or even 2x per week depending how sensitive you are with estro
Keep nolva if niples get itchy
 
Varga said:
Nolvadex will not help with the bloat that much it helps with gynecomastia issues though.
Best course to prevent any sides that you talking about is to take arimidex at .25mg-.5mg EOD or E2D or even 2x per week depending how sensitive you are with estro
Keep Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - if niples get itchy


good, that's what i was gonna say. nolva only blocks estro action at your pit gland which may prevent you from shutting down as much, however it's notgonna help bloat and sus promotes bloat and promotes acne more than other tests i know. need adex or aroma bro.
 
ironcheif1984 said:
So i was sitting at work i thinking. So i thought that i would ask the good folks on the EF board. If i was to take just 100mg a week of sustanon as if i was on HRT do you think i would still see some decent gains or no. Considering that i have not been on cycle yet. And i dont want to get so huge so fast to the point where the guys start asking questions at my work. They already fuck around and say that i am taking steroids and it pisses me off. I just play stupid and act like i dont know shit about steroids except for what i see on the news and leave it at that. just a question i thought i would ask. I do want to start a cycle in March and be done in June with PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - and everything. All i was going to do for my first cycle was Sustanon @ 250mg ew for 10 wks. I just didnt was to get to big to fast seeing that i have never been on before. bla bla bla i am ranting i know

My first cycle...
100mgs test per week
500 iu HCG twice a week
1 iu GH everyday
Did that for 3 months and gained 18 pounds and got whole lot stonger!
 
Wow thanks for all the reply's to this everyone i appreciate everyone's input and i am soaking it up like a sponge. Ok so im not worried about someone seeing me get to big. With 250mgs of sustanon ew for ten wks i think i would only gain like 15 lbs but who really knows about that i cant say for certain i have never even cycled yet so. But anyways i dont want to breakout really bad my face has broken out a little bit on my forhead just from taking a prohormone. so i dont know if i am gonna get broken out really bad taking aas. And sustanon from what some of you are saying will make me break out more then others would. So now i guess my question is should i just go with a different test such as test e or c which one is better i know i have seen people say that they are really close so get what ever one is cheaper i guess but as far as bloating and acne how is the test e or c. I will get a some arimidex to have on hand as well as the nolvadex and as far as the doseage on the test e or c i think i would only run either one of those at 200mgs ew for ten wks if i was get either one of those. Is test e or c usually 100mg/ml just wondering thanks again everyone

Ironcheif
 
Run either or Test C or Test E. Start at 250mgs/week and run it for 10-12 weeks. Commencing with a single ester test is probably better than Sus anyway.

Acne on cycle is most likely inevitable to some extent. Do your best to keep clean and use some anti-bacterial soaps. As a last resort speak to your doctor about a script or get hold of some tetracycline which is succesfully used to treat acne. As for prohormones they give you for the most part all of the sides with little benefit compared to AAS to give them away.

Arimidex on hand for cycle is good and then Nolva and HCG for PCT. Demacrine is also a good option to include for PCT.
 
The cycle

10wks test e or c what ever i can get my hands on @200mgs ew i know everyone is going to say use 250 but i am gonna go with 200 and see how i feel i think i will still grow

I am going to have Arimidex on hand in case, If i can get a hold of the HCG i will use that through out the cycle 500iu's ew do you think this will be enough?

I will use Nolvadex @20mgs eod and Dermacrine sustain two wks after my last shot for 4 wks for my pct. Does that look like everything i think that will be good for me for my first cycle and i cant wait to get started lol. I just have to get everything in order first and have everything on hand wont start till i do. Later guys

Ironcheif1984
 
looks fine bro but your gona have to have your diet dialled in perfectly for 200mg a week.. 300mg a week is fine also
 
ironcheif1984 said:
Wow thanks for all the reply's to this everyone i appreciate everyone's input and i am soaking it up like a sponge. Ok so im not worried about someone seeing me get to big. With 250mgs of sustanon ew for ten wks i think i would only gain like 15 lbs but who really knows about that i cant say for certain i have never even cycled yet so. But anyways i dont want to breakout really bad my face has broken out a little bit on my forhead just from taking a prohormone. so i dont know if i am gonna get broken out really bad taking anabolic androgenic steroids. And sustanon from what some of you are saying will make me break out more then others would. So now i guess my question is should i just go with a different test such as testosterone enanthate or c which one is better i know i have seen people say that they are really close so get what ever one is cheaper i guess but as far as bloating and acne how is the testosterone enanthate or c. I will get a some arimidex to have on hand as well as the nolvadex and as far as the doseage on the testosterone enanthate or c i think i would only run either one of those at 200mgs ew for ten wks if i was get either one of those. Is testosterone enanthate or c usually 100mg/ml just wondering thanks again everyone

Ironcheif

As a teen did you break out a lot?
If you did expect to break out again.
 
ironcheif1984 said:
The cycle

10wks testosterone enanthate or c what ever i can get my hands on @200mgs ew i know everyone is going to say use 250 but i am gonna go with 200 and see how i feel i think i will still grow

You should feel fine and you shouldn't, I say shouldn't have any estrogen induces sides with that dose. You will probably experience some breaking out on your back/shoulders but maybe not. The trick now is to train really hard and really smart and like xrsist said, eat really well. That's a lot of "reallys" but if you don't do it, you won't notice a thing and it'll be wasted. 200mg is not enough to make gains with a half assed effort - you'll have to work for it but it will be made up for by not having to concern yourself as much with the potential issues that can come with higher doses.
 
Varga said:
As a teen did you break out a lot?
If you did expect to break out again.

I can say that as a teen i had no acne issues at all never, I dont remember ever breaking out at all. But like i said i took this stuff called Testanate 50 by black dragon labs doubled the recommended dose and did pretty well but i did get a little bit of acne on my back and a little bit on my forehead.
 
I think at that dose and given your history your unlikely to have serious issues with acne.

Good Luck Man!
 
jhondo said:
You should feel fine and you shouldn't, I say shouldn't have any estrogen induces sides with that dose. You will probably experience some breaking out on your back/shoulders but maybe not. The trick now is to train really hard and really smart and like xrsist said, eat really well. That's a lot of "reallys" but if you don't do it, you won't notice a thing and it'll be wasted. 200mg is not enough to make gains with a half assed effort - you'll have to work for it but it will be made up for by not having to concern yourself as much with the potential issues that can come with higher doses.

Well my diet is pretty clean i do eat alot of Spaghetti dishes at least 4-5 times a week i eat that. I eat steak everyday. I eat chicken everyday.. This is how a typical day goes. I wake up ma a 5 egg white omlet. I eat a bowl of oatmeal. then i take a protein shake two hours later then for lunch i usually eat chicken or steak and some more oatmeal sometimes. two hours later before the gym i drink another protein shake after the gym i eat some more steak and some mashed potato's. later i will try and drink another shake and i will make another egg white omlet before i go to bed. I think that is pretty good diet im sure you all will let me know if i am doing anything wrong.. Oh and when i am in the gym i am all business im not the "social butterfly" i hate that shit there is one guy in the gym that walks around talking to everyone making fun of the music that is on because its hard fucking heavy metal. then he will get on the incline bench start doing some incline db fly's with the 30lb db and the most shitty form i have ever seen. im like WTF i am waiting for him to come talk to me so i can tell him where to go ya know. But not to many people try and talk to someone with headphones on that ignores them ha ha lol. Like i said i am in there to work not socialize.
 
Access said:
I think at that dose and given your history your unlikely to have serious issues with acne.

Good Luck Man!

Yeah and i got some Proactiv (sp) just incase that shit works very good my wife uses it becuase she started breaking out i dont know why but it cleared her face up and she continues to use it and i havnt seen any come back so i will use that while on cycle also.
 
Why do you young guys contemplate HRT. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

I Strongly suggest that you don't even juice until you have exhausted your natty ability. Or if your natty test is natty low.

Lift heavy and hard, Clean diet, Sleep, lotsa water. Repeat for next 5 years.
THEN hit the sause. MHO
 
halfcenturian said:
Why do you young guys contemplate HRT. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

I Strongly suggest that you don't even juice until you have exhausted your natty ability. Or if your natty test is natty low.

Lift heavy and hard, Clean diet, Sleep, lotsa water. Repeat for next 5 years.
THEN hit the sause. MHO


I did not want to get on HRT i just was going to run an HRT type doseage for a first cycle but i have changed my mind the guys have given me good info about that thanks everyone again who has helped me decide on what to do for the cycle. Oh i do lift hard i drink at least 2 gals of water everyday. I do get at least 7 hours of sleep everynight but i try to make it some night where i get at least 8 to 8 and a half. Thanks.....How old were you when you hit the sauce??? I am 23 yes i know i am yound but at least i am not a f'n teenager wanting to hit the gear ya know what i mean.
 
ironcheif1984 said:
I can say that as a teen i had no acne issues at all never, I dont remember ever breaking out at all. But like i said i took this stuff called Testanate 50 by black dragon labs doubled the recommended dose and did pretty well but i did get a little bit of acne on my back and a little bit on my forehead.

There is a good chance you will be ok is you keep dosage low
 
ironcheif1984 said:
So i was sitting at work i thinking. So i thought that i would ask the good folks on the EF board. If i was to take just 100mg a week of sustanon as if i was on HRT do you think i would still see some decent gains or no. Considering that i have not been on cycle yet. And i dont want to get so huge so fast to the point where the guys start asking questions at my work. They already fuck around and say that i am taking steroids and it pisses me off. I just play stupid and act like i dont know shit about steroids except for what i see on the news and leave it at that. just a question i thought i would ask. I do want to start a cycle in March and be done in June with PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - and everything. All i was going to do for my first cycle was Sustanon @ 250mg ew for 10 wks. I just didnt was to get to big to fast seeing that i have never been on before. bla bla bla i am ranting i know

Yes, you'll see and feel a big difference. Remember, your body is delicately balanced and any change in hormone levels will make it react.

I'm not saying FLEX mag cover dif, just a slight increase in muscle, the weights used, a bit loss of fat, and some sides ... feeling of power and horny. Watch your emotions.
 
thelion2005 said:
Yes, you'll see and feel a big difference. Remember, your body is delicately balanced and any change in hormone levels will make it react.

I'm not saying FLEX mag cover dif, just a slight increase in muscle, the weights used, a bit loss of fat, and some sides ... feeling of power and horny. Watch your emotions.


So were you refering to the 100mgs ew for ten wks or an actual cycle at 200-250mgs ew for ten wks? I think i am going to go with test c for 200mgs ew for ten wks. mabye 250mgs ew but depending on the if it is 250mgs per ml or 200mgs per ml do you guys know how the test c usually comes like that or the test e for that matter i dont know exactly which one i will go with prolly what ever one is cheaper i have to check on the prices.....
 
I wouln't worry so much about what the others in your unit think about your superior physique. There is Absolutely no reason that you should be getting pissed off at them for making accusations. Take that as a compliment and continue to lift heavy. Start by asking your platoon commander how he feels about steroids. Your command will not test you with out probable cause i.e. (needles, unlabeled pills, rage.. etc). And as far as random testing goes they have to test your whole unit via the last digit of the social method. If you want to do AAS while in the military just be cautious about who you let in on your plan. I've known of a few guy getting physically caught with gear and still were not tested. Also I've seen a corpsman with about 215 pounds at 5% body fat who was an alcoholic, beat his wife, and was obviously "Raging" and was still never tested. The worst thing you can do when on a cycle is get pissed off at people's opinions... just take their comments with a smile and "play along" with them... even make jokes about steroids. If you are that concerned then just run a test cycle for about 6 weeks. Once you are finished and levels are "undetectable" you will feel 100% more confident about NOT getting caught. Let me know when you've read this.
 
I wouln't worry so much about what the others in your unit think about your superior physique. There is Absolutely no reason that you should be getting pissed off at them for making accusations. Take that as a compliment and continue to lift heavy. Start by asking your platoon commander how he feels about steroids. Your command will not test you with out probable cause i.e. (needles, unlabeled pills, rage.. etc). And as far as random testing goes they have to test your whole unit via the last digit of the social method. If you want to do AAS while in the military just be cautious about who you let in on your plan. I've known of a few guy getting physically caught with gear and still were not tested. Also I've seen a corpsman with about 215 pounds at 5% body fat who was an alcoholic, beat his wife, and was obviously "Raging" and was still never tested. The worst thing you can do when on a cycle is get pissed off at people's opinions... just take their comments with a smile and "play along" with them... even make jokes about steroids. If you are that concerned then just run a test cycle for about 6 weeks. Once you are finished and levels are "undetectable" you will feel 100% more confident about NOT getting caught. Let me know when you've read this.


Wow old thread you bumped here huh.
 
good, that's what i was gonna say. nolva only blocks estro action at your pit gland which may prevent you from shutting down as much, however it's notgonna help bloat and sus promotes bloat and promotes acne more than other tests i know. need adex or aroma bro.

I didn't have any acne on sustanon, but started breaking out when I switched to propionate. Doses about the same.
 
So were you refering to the 100mgs ew for ten wks or an actual cycle at 200-250mgs ew for ten wks? I think i am going to go with test c for 200mgs ew for ten wks. mabye 250mgs ew but depending on the if it is 250mgs per ml or 200mgs per ml do you guys know how the test c usually comes like that or the test e for that matter i dont know exactly which one i will go with prolly what ever one is cheaper i have to check on the prices.....

iron, did you run the cycle?? what happened?
 
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