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breagan
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im considering using insulin . anyone with experience please fill me in on how take it correctly for maximum muscle gain. thanks all 
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shredded87
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son youre 18..............do you have a deathwish?
its bad enough at 18 your fuckin with your bodys own chemistry and abundant testosterone, stick to that my man
most important: B E S A F E
dudes die from insulin, do you want to put that on your parents?
its bad enough at 18 your fuckin with your bodys own chemistry and abundant testosterone, stick to that my man
most important: B E S A F E
dudes die from insulin, do you want to put that on your parents?
Tatyana
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How about don't use it.
Insulin is so easy to control without taking any, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to use this drug.
Did you know type II diabetics have a higher rate of heart disease and cancer.
These diabetics make insulin, it is just that their cells are not receptive to it.
Those high levels of circulating insulin is what does the damage.
Insulin is so easy to control without taking any, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to use this drug.
Did you know type II diabetics have a higher rate of heart disease and cancer.
These diabetics make insulin, it is just that their cells are not receptive to it.
Those high levels of circulating insulin is what does the damage.
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bottleneckblooz
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The first step to taking insulin properly is becoming diabetic.
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breagan
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i know that insulin is not somethin to fuck around with at all . i have a good friend who is about to get his pro card and told me that when its used properly u can get huge off of it. i said it sounds great but i would never use it until i knew EXACTLY how to do it right.shredded87 said:
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bottleneckblooz
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breagan said:
Trust your elders, it's not worth the risk.
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shredded87
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That guy isnt your friend, he dosnt give a shit about you, hes telling you to use insulin
check yoself!
check yoself!
all the whey
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shredded87 said:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!##!#!##!
Good post.
makaveli25
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insulin at 18 is unheard of bro... steroids at 18 is a terrible idea unless you have the genetics of arnold sharwenzagger or one of those dudes who was twice the size of most people you know at 18.. pros use insulin when they have exaugshsted all of there other options and they need to take it to the next level.. bad idea..
Trendsetter21
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If you're not planning to become a pro bodybuilder then don't even bother. Especially at your age. Yes I know you know everything, and we all don't know what we are talking about cuz your 18 and we're just a bit older and more experienced. The bottom line is insulin can be deadly. Not just give you diabetes but if take it wrong or too much it can actually kill you. Even serious pro's say don't mess with it unless you are looking to be a pro bodybuilder. Try eating and training right.......but I bet you do that to.
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breagan
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i do want to be a pro bodybuilder. i do train hard and eat good as well .Trendsetter21 said:
i call bulls*it --each one of your posts is more outrageous than the last. got those pics yet?
If you are serious, your chance of serious harm or death is very very real.
If you are serious, your chance of serious harm or death is very very real.
makaveli25
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your an idiot bro.. lets see some pics... your 18 years old you shouldn;t even know what insulin is
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breagan
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i'm no idiot. i study and research on a NERDISH level actually. why should i not know what insulin is?makaveli25 said:
makaveli25
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i shouldn;t have called you and idiot but at your age i was out looking for pussy and a good time... i wasn;t worried about injecting insulin... work hard bro train natural.. when your 21 and you still want to juice go for it.. play sports go out with your friends and be a kid while you can
goku_kakarot77
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dude stay away from slin, you not making a living off you r body, are you becoming a pro BB?, are you going to sacrifice your soul to win? there are only like 20 people in the world that have an excuse to use insulin.
be safe bro stay away from it period,
lift eat sleep and repeat, and you will grow i promise
peace
be safe bro stay away from it period,
lift eat sleep and repeat, and you will grow i promise
peace
nzrodney
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Breagan I have supported your decissions to use AAS but I DO NOT CONDONE THE USE OF INSULIN at your age & level of training experience. If you were mature enough to use Slin, you would not even be asking this question. I can speak from experience. There is a place for using slin in BBing but this stuff can be leathal. Just do what you are doing, eat hard, train hard, be patient. A freaky body is not grown overnight. It takes years to get there.
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breagan
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alright i hear everyone and i guess i won't be using slin any time soon. thanks for the advice guysnzrodney said:
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breagan said:
Use and manipulate your bodies own insulin levels, easy as hell to do. If you want to know how to manipulate your own levels to maximise growth, start a new thread 'how can i raise my own insulin levels'
You'll be amazed at the results, but it's so fucking simple once you know how!
jumpmaster82
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bro your 18, so you can't have many if any cycles under your belt. Insulin IS NOT for newbies. It is by far the most dangerous performance enhancing drug out there. Aas should only be used when the bodys reached a genetic peak naturally. And things like insulin and gh should only be used when the body can't make any more gains from aas. Bottom line DONT FUCK WITH INSULIN!!!
littleb
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Bro this is not a flame, you did the right thing by asking about it b4 you tried it,,, that said its young kids/ or younger adults who dive into somthing like insulin or try 200 mg of dbol a day for a year ect. ect. that make big brother want to crack down so hard on roids..
I know all the baseball shit didnt help the cause, but steroids taken when you are a little older and natty test is a lil lower and taken safe with all research done is not bad................... Its the 17 and 18 yr olds taking it not knowing what the hell there doing while still living at home probably,, and they hurt themselves and damage thier future..
DO NOT mess with insulin brother-- I know the pros are using it and even some of the bros on here, but it is so so so not worth the risk, ,, you only have your one pancreas {sp}
And if you still dont believe go out to lunch with a diabetic and watch them count every carb simple and complex then do some math and inject b4 they can even eat--- even a simple ricecake snake gotta inject-- I know first hand from family and i know i do not want to live that way------
Please be smart bro.. sorry so long a post but i really hope you rethink it...
littleb
I know all the baseball shit didnt help the cause, but steroids taken when you are a little older and natty test is a lil lower and taken safe with all research done is not bad................... Its the 17 and 18 yr olds taking it not knowing what the hell there doing while still living at home probably,, and they hurt themselves and damage thier future..
DO NOT mess with insulin brother-- I know the pros are using it and even some of the bros on here, but it is so so so not worth the risk, ,, you only have your one pancreas {sp}
And if you still dont believe go out to lunch with a diabetic and watch them count every carb simple and complex then do some math and inject b4 they can even eat--- even a simple ricecake snake gotta inject-- I know first hand from family and i know i do not want to live that way------
Please be smart bro.. sorry so long a post but i really hope you rethink it...
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perryscoon
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Are the results from insulin THAT great that its worth risking death?
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breagan
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thanks , now atleast i have both sides to decide . what kind of results can be expected with insulin use ?
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perryscoon
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breagan said:
I'm curious as to the results of insulin compared to steroids too.
breagan said:
pics?
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SaladFork
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eddymerckx said:
Could it be?
LMFAO--that deserves some ktrizo said:Could it be?
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bottleneckblooz
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breagan said:
Humalog is fast acting, I think even faster than humalin R.
Tatyana
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breagan said:
Young man, are you really that hell bent on completely messing up your entire endocrine system?
Not only are you risking DEATH if you do not use insulin correctly, but you are risking inducing type II diabetes.
This is the tragedy of all of this.
I know of at least THREE female bodybuilders who completely changed their voices and faces to get a pro-card.
Since then they haven't competed, and they have all of those permanent changes.
I don't think they will ever compete again.
You haven't even done a show yet.
If you are taking things to such an extreme even before you put a foot on stage.........................
Getting to be a pro is only the first half of the equation.
In my opinion, you are really straying into the domains of body perception dysmorphia and big-o-rexia now.
Please just stop this madness.
blacksabbath1987
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i agree!!! i have been lifting for 12-years and still learning!!! certified trainer for 1-year and currently working toward physical therapy cert/ listen to tatyana and wait to get more knowledge and experience!!! work on learning the anatomy and how it works and you will see why everyone is looking out for your best interest!! and not reading about you in the news.Tatyana said:
breagan said:
Humalog is a faster acting form of insulin. Something i have not used before, since Humulin-R is OTC. Instead of waiting 10 minutes, I would ingest the carbs IMMEDIALTELY after the inject. Be careful, if you don't get the necessary carbs in your system following injection insulin shock can occur.
littleb
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humalog comes in different splits, there is the straight old fashion humolog then 2 others that are basically the sust of insulin with both fast acting and slow release in one... just to clear that up.....
this will be the last time i will post on this thread brother, I just really hope you at least hold off b4 you try it study and research it..... going hypo would be the least of my worries, risking diabetis would be my #1 fear.. alot of people who do not have or know sombody that is close to them do not or can not understand what this disease does,, and yes it is a disease... some things to remember
1] when your blood suger goes too high or too low stress is placed on your organs esp. your kidneys
2]try to be a bodybuilder and go on a bulking cycle when you are limited to low carb foods even the healthy carbs are a no-no
3] also know that poor circulation and anyerisms especially in the eyes are common with diabeties
4] some diabetics only have to take pills, but trust me over time they will require insulin more often then not the humolog you spoke of
At your age stay away bro, not worth it,, now the advice to keep sugar handy if you go ahead and do it is good advice but guess what?? you may go into shock b4 you even get a chance to eat anything,,, I personally have had to sqirt cake iceing into someone i care fors mouth and try to hold them still and hope they swallowed it.. the person i speak of has testers for blood suger levels and has been taking insulin for about as long as you have been alive,, and it still happens ..
even with all precautions such as the blood sugar moniter sugar and candy on hand you could die and the 13-15 carbs for every unit is a ballpark number it is the average yes,,,, but a lot of people are higher or lower..
good luck bro i hope honestly you reconsider..
this will be the last time i will post on this thread brother, I just really hope you at least hold off b4 you try it study and research it..... going hypo would be the least of my worries, risking diabetis would be my #1 fear.. alot of people who do not have or know sombody that is close to them do not or can not understand what this disease does,, and yes it is a disease... some things to remember
1] when your blood suger goes too high or too low stress is placed on your organs esp. your kidneys
2]try to be a bodybuilder and go on a bulking cycle when you are limited to low carb foods even the healthy carbs are a no-no
3] also know that poor circulation and anyerisms especially in the eyes are common with diabeties
4] some diabetics only have to take pills, but trust me over time they will require insulin more often then not the humolog you spoke of
At your age stay away bro, not worth it,, now the advice to keep sugar handy if you go ahead and do it is good advice but guess what?? you may go into shock b4 you even get a chance to eat anything,,, I personally have had to sqirt cake iceing into someone i care fors mouth and try to hold them still and hope they swallowed it.. the person i speak of has testers for blood suger levels and has been taking insulin for about as long as you have been alive,, and it still happens ..
even with all precautions such as the blood sugar moniter sugar and candy on hand you could die and the 13-15 carbs for every unit is a ballpark number it is the average yes,,,, but a lot of people are higher or lower..
good luck bro i hope honestly you reconsider..
blacksabbath1987 said:
breagen--look at the creds of the two people above telling you not to go down the path you appear to be taking--if you are serious about what you say you cannot ignore that the most qualified people are telling you to stop.
Tatyana
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littleb said:
People seem to think diabetes is not a problem because there are drugs.
Diabetes is a HIDEOUS disease.
People often suffer renal failure, and have to have dialysis, 4 hours a day, every two days.
You could have CAPD - continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis, if you like injecting 10 L of hypertonic saline/glucose solution into your thoracic cavity every night.
They suffer from more infections, have to have feet and limbs cut off.
They go blind.
They are more prone to heart disease and cancer.
You want to risk inducing this, when insulin can so easily be manipulated with diet, and for a 'career' that may never happen.
You are 18, you could have another 60+ years in that body.
Take care of it.
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breagan
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that is all very disturbing to me. i hear youTatyana said:
breagan said:
and look at the source of the info--you may not know as you are new here buy Tatyana has a Masters in--I believe Anatomy/Biophys--so if you don't trust our advice--trust hers!!
youngbuck22
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insulin?, you are way outta your league man...hopefully you listen to all these people handing out advice.
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because he makes the rest of us look sane--and demonstrates that the majority of people who post here take gear use seriously and promote smart use not abuse.
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breagan
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u know what i think i may use it and guess what i'm not gonna kill myself either! u know why? cause i will have done the proper research and made for damn sure i know how to use it( no thanks to practically anyone on EF)
flame me to hell boys , i don't even know if i should post pics cause most would be pissed an 18 year old looks better than they do at 30.
flame me to hell boys , i don't even know if i should post pics cause most would be pissed an 18 year old looks better than they do at 30.
Tatyana
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breagan said:u know what i think i may use it and guess what i'm not gonna kill myself either! u know why? cause i will have done the proper research and made for damn sure i know how to use it( no thanks to practically anyone on EF)
flame me to hell boys , i don't even know if i should post pics cause most would be pissed an 18 year old looks better than they do at 30.
The arrogance and impatience of youth.
I do post on several on-line forums.
Time after time I have seen people asking for advice for some ridiculous cycle, or to take dangerous drugs, they are given advice not to, or reduce the dose.
They turn up on another forum a month or two later with some serious sides or medical problem.
It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EASY to manipulate insulin (and GH for that matter).
I really can't believe you are still considering taking it.
I think you need to read some basic information about insulin in the body and what it does, how its release is triggered.
Have you been to watch a BBing show?
I do think that you need to slow down a bit, try a comp first.
You really don't need to take it.
breagan said:u know what i think i may use it and guess what i'm not gonna kill myself either! u know why? cause i will have done the proper research and made for damn sure i know how to use it( no thanks to practically anyone on EF)
flame me to hell boys , i don't even know if i should post pics cause most would be pissed an 18 year old looks better than they do at 30.
you tire me---bombs away
busamuscle
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eddymerckx said:
This is not the way to take care of this. We need to talk to younger guys not treat them like kids because they will not listen if we do. Breagan you need to take a step back and listen for a moment. Most of the people on here are tying to help you, but you and the people that love you will suffer the consequences of your choice not us!
Tatyana
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Post from a diabetic on another BBing forum
Insulin actually acts like a growth hormone. That is why we diabetics often gain a lot of weight while using insulin because insulin actually promotes fat storage. But if a diabetic gets plenty of exercise we can also build up a lot of muscle since insulin works like a growth hormone.
Now, some body builders, instead of using illegal steroids are now using insulin to increase muscle mass. Using insulin can make you really huge!
But this is another form of drug abuse! If you're not diabetic, than you have absolutely no business using insulin, because it can be very dangerous, causing your blood sugars to drop to dangerously low levels.
So, am I to understand that you actually advocate using insulinto build muscle? You are well aware of the dangers involved yet you still encourage the use of insulin.
Yeah, I can see how it might be perfectly legal since insulin is not a steroid, but a hormone naturally produced by the body and there is no way to detect
if an athlete is using extra insulin, as steroids can be detected. So you are able to get away with it.
If you don't get enough exercise while using insulin then it will only make you fat. Because we diabetics must use insulin to control blood sugars, we have a hard time trying to lose fat even while exercising.
I should know from personel experience. I'm 5 ft. 6 in. and I weigh over 305 pounds and I'm an insulin dependent diabetic. I've been climbing stairs every day to build up the muscles in my fat legs, but in spite of the exercise I've been getting, I'm still gaining fat.
Now you ****-tards who are abusing insulin are running the risk of becoming insulin dependant diabetics.
That is, because like any drug, if you misuse it, you will become dependant on it after awhile.
Of course, if a drug addict become dependant on cocaine or heroin they can go through Detox and recover from their addiction, because the body does not need those drugs.
But once you become dependant on extra insulin, then you are **** out of luck because your body is going to need it. When you use extra insulin, your body becomes resistant to the insulin and then you become diabetic.
So, you macho jockos with **** for brains are only going to **** yourselves up. You will end up with huge soft round bellies, fat asses, thunder thighs, and double chins just like the rest if us big fat diabetics.
Welcome to the club!!!
Insulin actually acts like a growth hormone. That is why we diabetics often gain a lot of weight while using insulin because insulin actually promotes fat storage. But if a diabetic gets plenty of exercise we can also build up a lot of muscle since insulin works like a growth hormone.
Now, some body builders, instead of using illegal steroids are now using insulin to increase muscle mass. Using insulin can make you really huge!
But this is another form of drug abuse! If you're not diabetic, than you have absolutely no business using insulin, because it can be very dangerous, causing your blood sugars to drop to dangerously low levels.
So, am I to understand that you actually advocate using insulinto build muscle? You are well aware of the dangers involved yet you still encourage the use of insulin.
Yeah, I can see how it might be perfectly legal since insulin is not a steroid, but a hormone naturally produced by the body and there is no way to detect
if an athlete is using extra insulin, as steroids can be detected. So you are able to get away with it.
If you don't get enough exercise while using insulin then it will only make you fat. Because we diabetics must use insulin to control blood sugars, we have a hard time trying to lose fat even while exercising.
I should know from personel experience. I'm 5 ft. 6 in. and I weigh over 305 pounds and I'm an insulin dependent diabetic. I've been climbing stairs every day to build up the muscles in my fat legs, but in spite of the exercise I've been getting, I'm still gaining fat.
Now you ****-tards who are abusing insulin are running the risk of becoming insulin dependant diabetics.
That is, because like any drug, if you misuse it, you will become dependant on it after awhile.
Of course, if a drug addict become dependant on cocaine or heroin they can go through Detox and recover from their addiction, because the body does not need those drugs.
But once you become dependant on extra insulin, then you are **** out of luck because your body is going to need it. When you use extra insulin, your body becomes resistant to the insulin and then you become diabetic.
So, you macho jockos with **** for brains are only going to **** yourselves up. You will end up with huge soft round bellies, fat asses, thunder thighs, and double chins just like the rest if us big fat diabetics.
Welcome to the club!!!
busamuscle said:
read all of the posts by this kid/reporter/le --on four different threads--each statement is more outrageous than the last--it is fairly clear that he/she/it makes statesment designed to elicts certain responses because he/she/it is bored or writing an article--
and before you tell me what is the proper way to deal with this nonsense, read all of he/she/its posts --there are prob two hundred posts trying to talk him out of use--
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eddymerckx said:
I know man but we just have to keep trying or we fail at being a community of good, strong minded, people. He wrote me a pm admitting that his mouth gets him in a little trouble but all of us could say that of ourselves at one point or another.
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breagan
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i'd like to thank u all for helping me with my current project . i have retrieved a lot of useful information and don't worry there will be anonymity to everyone's comments.eddymerckx said:
busamuscle said:
i agree--see the thread below and you will see we are both on the exact same page--but i just smell a rat here--something is not right (I spent eight years deposing people and you sort of get a sense for when the dots just do not connect--not saying i an correct, but its something is not kosher)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/18-steroids-576677.html
busamuscle
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eddymerckx said:
Yes I got a sense of this just from his last post. That is I why don't condone anyone’s use of anything on this board. I just try to give my opinion and nothing more.
breagan said:
reporter. which paper or channel will we see your article in so we can see it? will you at least represent that 99.9% of the board told you to stop?
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breagan
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for now i can't disclose certain information. i will represent EF well, not to worry. hopefully i may be able to persuade a good portion of the public to change their views on things.eddymerckx said:
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