How to use Growth Hormone????

[thx9000]

Not sure if anyone's actually interested in the risks of insulin resistance caused by exo-GH, but I've got another question along these lines.

Assuming the insulin resistance results from the mechanisims in my post above (fatty acid mobilization and shift towards insulin-resistant type II muscle fibers), then wouldn't someone with low or very low total bodyfat offset at least some of those risks?

 

[Smokescreen]

I am very confused here. So taking GH will get me fat??? Because of Insulin?? What??!!! I thought GH was supposed to make you shed fat like no other drug!? Whats going on. Please...speak english. So too much GH will make me fat?? Avoid carbs?? Take less GH??? Please, I need help and I don't understand anybody.

 

[flexhard]

Hey Bro's,

Jesus give the guy a straigth answer!!

Flexhard

 

[thx9000]

I am very confused here. So taking GH will get me fat??? Because of Insulin?? What??!!! I thought GH was supposed to make you shed fat like no other drug!? Whats going on. Please...speak english. So too much GH will make me fat?? Avoid carbs?? Take less GH??? Please, I need help and I don't understand anybody.

Okay this is my understanding in simplest possible terms, and it's probably far from perfect...

GH frees up fatty acids from your fat cells which is good for shrinking them and making you less fat. Insulin transports fat and glucose around your body. If lots of fattty acids are floating around then your insulin is going to be working to move that around instead of glucose (which comes from your carbs). GH also favors insulin resistant muscle tissue, which wont be too good for helping bring down high insulin or glucose levels.

GH definitely causes an increase in the rate at which T4 is converted to T3 which is good for increased metabolism (up to 10% in one study) which means less fat, but over time that might mean you pituitary will put out less TSH which could lead to less T4 and therefore less T3 and thus eventually lower metabolism and less fat burning. So...you can add T3 to offset this decrease. (I am less sure about this last paragraph).

So...anyhow IMO if you are on GH you should restrict carbs to something low but reasonable (less than 100g a day?) and possibly include T3 or armour to offset and any throid "sluggishness" that might result. The big question in my head is: what is the risk of insulin resistance in very low fat individuals? If part of the problem stems from the fact that GH favors lipid mobilization, well if there are very few lipids to mobilize then I would think the problem is mitigated.

 

[Smokescreen]

So GH is NOT a miracle drug? I should stop taking it because it will make me fat? 100grams of carbs of day???? No way! And GH lowers T3? So that means that all the pros take GH and thyroid hormones all year round? Bottom line...should I stop the GH then?

 

[thx9000]

So GH is NOT a miracle drug?
No, it definitely isn't.

I should stop taking it because it will make me fat?
Nope, didn't say anything like that.

100grams of carbs of day???? No way!
If insulin resistance is real and you insist on running GH for long periods of time and insist on eating significant amounts of carbs you may be doing yourself real harm. But, whatever...

And GH lowers T3?
That's speculation on my part. I know DrJMW recommends that GH be used along with some form of thyroid med as it GH eventually results in thyroid sluggishness. Do a search on DRJMW and GH.

So that means that all the pros take GH and thyroid hormones all year round?
I have no idea what they do. Are you a pro?


Bottom line...should I stop the GH then?
That's your decision. If I had been using it for 18 months and 6iu ED and hadn't seen any body composition changes I would certainly drop it. Can't imagin the $12 (at least?) you are spending each day really seems to be money well spent.

 

[Smokescreen]

100grams of carbs of day???? No way!
If insulin resistance is real and you insist on running GH for long periods of time and insist on eating significant amounts of carbs you may be doing yourself real harm. But, whatever...




Harm how??? Why exactly?? Eating carbs and GH is wrong?! I need more clarification on this.

 

[thx9000]

Here I have done your reasearch for you. Unfortunately, I am tired and irritable so you will need to read it yourself:

See Fonz's ccommnets: http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...readid=252090&highlight=GH+insulin+resistance

All comments:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...readid=227878&highlight=GH+insulin+resistance

Vitals comments:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...readid=259871&highlight=GH+insulin+resistance

Nandi12 and Ironmaster's comments:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162170&highlight=insulin+resistance

 

[BonerBoy]

Here I have done your reasearch for you. Unfortunately, I am tired and irritable so you will need to read it yourself: