how stronge can you be w/o juice

[oneandthesame]

give me some stats for a natural 190 pounder who is drug free trying to see if one even needs juice to get big and stronge

how many of you guys (big boys) are natural ?

how many of you juice?

 

[Exodus]

i dont know if im considered all that big.......... but i have got up to 260lbs on a 5'10 frame.

i think b fold the truth got up to 290lbs on a 6'1 frame naturally as well.

its all a matter of preference

X

 

[powerlifterjay]

Dude no offense but what kinda question is that? You wanna knwo who juices and who doesnt. Di you think youre gonna get honest answers? Ok i will say this i used to be 190lbs and i benched 425 clean and raw. Now i am 250 lbs and i bench 500 for 5 reps raw. Any questions?

 

[brianmincher]

If you want to juice, juice. If you don't, don't. You cannot go on a message board amongst people you don't even know and ask questions like this and expect any kind of honesty. I have never failed a drug test. And you are not going to get much better of an answer than that.

I used to spend a lot of time and energy wondering who was on, and who was off. Now I realize that it doesn't matter who is on and who is off.

You will get bigger and stronger juicing than not. You will not get too many honest answers from a person who is currently on the sauce. It is amazing though how many people will admit to having used juice after they retire. Most of the guys competing are probably using even in clean organizations. The only thing you do know about anyone but yourself is whether they passed the test. I understand what you are wanting to know, but it is a tough thing to ever find out. And you can never be really sure. Remember, they are illegal. Not anything inherently wrong with them, but for now, in this country, they are unfortunately against the law, and remember that when hoping for an answer to your question.

B

 

[Screwball]

Juice...

I try to drink a glass of juice (orange, apple, cranberry or grape) every day. I usually stack the orange and apple for 6-8 weeks, hit the grape about mid-cycle for four weeks - every other day and bridge to another cycle with the cranberry the final two weeks. If used intelligently and in moderation fantastic results are possible.

- Screwball

 

[endpoint]

Looks like screwball and i have the same cycle. I like to add a bit of lemon...for a better pump at the gym.

Back to the original question.

you dont need steriods to make you strong. It does help..and it is a slightly shorter road...but you still need to work your balls off.

this is what makes you strong: hard work