How does Tren affect freeT4?

[doejohn]

I know Tren may suppressT3, but how does it affect freeT4?
My last bloodworks showed elevated freeT4, and doctors blame it and other blood levels a bit outta range - on my steroid-usage.

But I'm a bit worried about their knowledge about AAS, as they had no clue what I was talking about when mentioning Arimidex as AI and Nolva/clomid for pct.
They just assume my whole system is unbalanced due to AAS, and didn't go into details on each value. And they didn't include estrogen or T3 on the bloodworks....

Been very tired and exhausted lately, had some tremors, been feeling "powerless"/weak now and then. They also blame it all on unbalanced hormones, without going into specific levels.

Going to the gym I've got good burst, but drop off early.
Gains been good, even though I've not been able to bring my a-game.

So was wondering if there was a correlation to freeT4..?
Also seem to be pulling some more water, even though I've gone higher than normally on AI.

Feels like I'm dragging on more water now than while on testo, deca and dbol.
First 4-5weeks was fine, then something changed.

On 500mg Testo E, 350mg Tren E. 0.25mg Arimidex ED. (Dropped arimidex to 0.25mg 3 times pr week now).
Never really had a problem with estrogen/gyno.

 

[zanegrey198849]

Who gives a fuck

I know Tren may suppressT3, but how does it affect freeT4?
My last bloodworks showed elevated freeT4, and doctors blame it and other blood levels a bit outta range - on my steroid-usage.

But I'm a bit worried about their knowledge about AAS, as they had no clue what I was talking about when mentioning Arimidex as AI and Nolva/clomid for pct.
They just assume my whole system is unbalanced due to AAS, and didn't go into details on each value. And they didn't include estrogen or T3 on the bloodworks....

Been very tired and exhausted lately, had some tremors, been feeling "powerless"/weak now and then. They also blame it all on unbalanced hormones, without going into specific levels.

Going to the gym I've got good burst, but drop off early.
Gains been good, even though I've not been able to bring my a-game.

So was wondering if there was a correlation to freeT4..?
Also seem to be pulling some more water, even though I've gone higher than normally on AI.

Feels like I'm dragging on more water now than while on testo, deca and dbol.
First 4-5weeks was fine, then something changed.

On 500mg Testo E, 350mg Tren E. 0.25mg Arimidex ED. (Dropped arimidex to 0.25mg 3 times pr week now).
Never really had a problem with estrogen/gyno.

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[doejohn]

Who gives a fuck

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Well, I do...
Can't you tell by me making sentences, and putting "?" behind some of them?

 

[stevesmi]

doctors don't know anything about this stuff

second all that is happening is that your body is becoming fatigued from steroid abuse and you are probably over training. also it is likely your lipid health is poor and it will keep getting worse. best solution is stop steroids

 

[doejohn]

doctors don't know anything about this stuff

second all that is happening is that your body is becoming fatigued from steroid abuse and you are probably over training. also it is likely your lipid health is poor and it will keep getting worse. best solution is stop steroids

The lack of knowledge baffled me tbh.
I would expect them to know some of the basics..

I guess you are right, I was just hoping to finish my cycle. Was planning on cruising after august. But now I guess I should try to go off everything and get bloodworks done to see the "damage".

Pretty much the values that were off on my last bloodworks
Erythrocytes, EVF - high

Cholesterol HDL-ratio - high
HDL - low

ASAT, CK, LD, Haptoglobil, freeT4 - high

FSH, LH, SHBG - low

Testosterone was obviously high.

But to my original question, is there a direct correlation between Tren and freeT4? As far as I've read it shouldn't be affected very much.

Or is it just a total result of hormones/blood-values beeing off due to the "abuse"?
Normally I'd say I use steroids, not abuse. But I guess I went a bit too far this time with length and not taking time off.


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[SteveMobsterG]

doctors don't know anything about this stuff

second all that is happening is that your body is becoming fatigued from steroid abuse and you are probably over training. also it is likely your lipid health is poor and it will keep getting worse. best solution is stop steroids

Or at the very least remove the Tren

 

[doejohn]

Or at the very least remove the Tren

I've been swapping from Tren E too Tren A over the last week, too be able to drop off quicker if needed. But I guess I should just remove it completly now.
Shame though, as I was doing great the first 4-5 weeks..
I did run testo+deca for about 10 weeks before I swapped deca with Tren.
Guess both beeing 19-nor does add to my issues aswell..?
Prolactin was within normal range about 2 weeks ago, but on the higher end.

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[muskate]

I've been swapping from Tren E too Tren A over the last week, too be able to drop off quicker if needed. But I guess I should just remove it completly now.
Shame though, as I was doing great the first 4-5 weeks..
I did run testo+deca for about 10 weeks before I swapped deca with Tren.
Guess both beeing 19-nor does add to my issues aswell..?
Prolactin was within normal range about 2 weeks ago, but on the higher end.

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Both deca and tren will raise prolactin levels

 

[doejohn]

Both deca and tren will raise prolactin levels

Ye, I was just thinking that my prolactin wasn't all that bad beeing within normal range after running deca and then tren. Even though it was on the higher side.

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[MasonicBodybuilder]

I know it sounds crazy but take a week off the gym. Let your body heal up. You will be so energized to get back at it afterwards. We all need to learn to take a break here and there.

 

[doejohn]

I know it sounds crazy but take a week off the gym. Let your body heal up. You will be so energized to get back at it afterwards. We all need to learn to take a break here and there.

Ye, it has worked wonders when hitting the wall before.
But not this time. I can go for 1 proper workout, then I'm pretty much out for a day or two. And having small kids, that just doesn't go well.
I also work shifts, and beeing off-shift for 5 weeks it's not work exhausting me either.

Anyways, I've decided to drop off and run pct.
Gonna be interesting, been cruising and "blasting" for about 2 years now.

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[doejohn]

For a future cycle;
What about adding low-dose T3 too Tren, 25-50mcg ?
I've read that some always run it with Tren to counter the suppression of T3 by Tren.

Any thoughts?

Have run T3 with Testo before, but did not really like it much. Was only doing 80mcg, but it made me too tired, and lacking strength.
Fell asleep on the floor playing with the kids all the time [emoji39]

But I guess a low dose would be fine.

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[SteveMobsterG]

For a future cycle;
What about adding low-dose T3 too Tren, 25-50mcg ?
I've read that some always run it with Tren to counter the suppression of T3 by Tren.

Any thoughts?

Have run T3 with Testo before, but did not really like it much. Was only doing 80mcg, but it made me too tired, and lacking strength.
Fell asleep on the floor playing with the kids all the time [emoji39]

But I guess a low dose would be fine.

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You know mcg means 'MICROGRAMS' right? mg means milligrams

 

[doejohn]

You know mcg means 'MICROGRAMS' right? mg means milligrams

Yes, I'm aware of that.
You might've misunderstood what I wrote.

I was talking about T3-dosage with 25-50mcg, not Tren.

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[stevesmi]

what the fuck is going on in this thread? this guy asks a very damn good question and half the people responding are being complete dickheads to him. either answer the question or don't post.

to answer your question i absolutely stand by my earlier post.. it isn't a thyroid issue.. tren simply causes you to feel blah. it is due to its toxic and harsh sides. it also is due to it causing tremendous results quickly and its androgenic nature.

keep your tren cycles short and take long breaks after and this issue will get under control. no need to run T3 trust me. it won't help the issue

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Yes, I'm aware of that.
You might've misunderstood what I wrote.

I was talking about T3-dosage with 25-50mcg, not Tren.

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I did lol. Steve's got you covered.

 

[muskate]

Your body products TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone). This stimulates the body to produce T4.

T4 is your body's storage form of thyroid. Your body has to convert T4 into T3 for it to actually work in the body. T3 is the active form on thyroid hormone in the body

 

[doejohn]

what the fuck is going on in this thread? this guy asks a very damn good question and half the people responding are being complete dickheads to him. either answer the question or don't post.

to answer your question i absolutely stand by my earlier post.. it isn't a thyroid issue.. tren simply causes you to feel blah. it is due to its toxic and harsh sides. it also is due to it causing tremendous results quickly and its androgenic nature.

keep your tren cycles short and take long breaks after and this issue will get under control. no need to run T3 trust me. it won't help the issue

what the fuck is going on in this thread? this guy asks a very damn good question and half the people responding are being complete dickheads to him. either answer the question or don't post.

to answer your question i absolutely stand by my earlier post.. it isn't a thyroid issue.. tren simply causes you to feel blah. it is due to its toxic and harsh sides. it also is due to it causing tremendous results quickly and its androgenic nature.

keep your tren cycles short and take long breaks after and this issue will get under control. no need to run T3 trust me. it won't help the issue

I believe you are correct.
I was just kinda "brainstorming" for any ways to prevent it or at least delay the "blah"-feeling next time

I guess the fact I was on deca before tren, is not helping my issues.

I've ran tren before, but it's about 10 years ago.

I'm going off everything now anyways as this has been a bit more than "blah"-feeling [emoji14]
Going through proper examinations at the hospital. In hindsight I could've had som issues with my thyroid for quite some time. So might aswell get it checked out.

My last bloodworks were high on freeT3 and freeT4, and abit on the low side on TSH.


What about running 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off--cycles with Tren ace?
Any thoughts on that?
Read about it before somewhere, and it would suit my work perfectly.
I work shifts 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off.
Could run a base of testo all the way, then run tren ace 4 week on, 4 off 2-3 rounds.

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[doejohn]

I did lol. Steve's got you covered.

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[doejohn]

Your body products TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone). This stimulates the body to produce T4.

T4 is your body's storage form of thyroid. Your body has to convert T4 into T3 for it to actually work in the body. T3 is the active form on thyroid hormone in the body

What about the freeT3 and freeT4 then?
How does that relate or "react" to T3 and T4?
Let's say I take T3-supplements, what would happen to freeT3 and freeT4?

Or if one had naturally low or high T3/T4?

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[doejohn]

https://www.klinicapp.com/blog/thyroid-t4-and-ft4-difference-between-t4-and-ft4/

Found some answers to my questions

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[MasonicBodybuilder]

Honestly, I feel like crap after around 6-8 weeks of tren too. I just keep it short and get off the shit.

 

[doejohn]

Honestly, I feel like crap after around 6-8 weeks of tren too. I just keep it short and get off the shit.

Ye, seems like it's the way too go.

The cycling with 4 week on, 4 week off with tren ace intrigued me though.
But I guess there'll be pros and cons for it like everything else. Unstable blood-levels etc..

Had great gains on Tren though, even when missing lots of workouts and feeling shit.

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