How does this look?

[The Sauce]

First cycle
I wanna keep it as simple as possible

Wks1-12 test e 250 x2 a wk, Nolva on hand just in case
14-16 Nolva 40/40/20
14-16 hcgenerate

Stats 6' 205lbs, 16ish bf%
24yrs

Diet is pretty clean and consistent, macros are being fulfilled.
I realize I could probably cut a few bf%'s before I start so I'll be cutting while I'm waiting on the gear. I'm eager to get my feet wet in the world of aas.

Thanks

 

[C0LUMB0]

First cycle
I wanna keep it as simple as possible

Wks1-12 test e 250 x2 a wk, Nolva on hand just in case
14-16 Nolva 40/40/20
14-16 hcgenerate

Stats 6' 205lbs, 16ish bf%
24yrs

Diet is pretty clean and consistent, macros are being fulfilled.
I realize I could probably cut a few bf%'s before I start so I'll be cutting while I'm waiting on the gear. I'm eager to get my feet wet in the world of aas.

Thanks

nolva in case of what ? use an AI not a serm while ON.

your pct needs a lot more work.

dont start until you have this hamered out.

 

[The Sauce]

nolva in case of what ? use an AI not a serm while ON.

your pct needs a lot more work.

dont start until you have this hamered out.

Thanks. You're right, my pct is all jacked up. I'm definitely not starting until I got it hammered out. I will get an AI to have on hand. Pct should be more like wks 15-18. I'm just looking for the simplest route to take.

 

[EZ_E]

Smart move dropping a little BF first.....

Yes drop the nolva for on cycle and get a good AI.

PCT is new and improved....search the site for some killer PCT's

 

[dylangemelli]

your pct is severely lacking... hcgenerate is better used on cycle... that's not even a full pct and you need an ai from possible aromatizing from test... your also starting pct too early... you have to let the ester clear 2 weeks...

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-14 gw-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com
1-12 s4 50 mg day www.sarms1.com
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod www.ag-guys.com
5-12 hcgenerate www.n2bm.com
13-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com

aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com

n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day www.sarms1.com

 

[The Sauce]

Actually guys, I'll will probably wait until I'm close to 10-12 bf before I want to start any kind of bulking cycle. I already feel my hard earned muscle is covered by too much fat. Would anyone recomend liquiclen?? If so how would a cycle of that look? I've been natty bulking for 3 yrs now to get where I am now. It's so damn hard cutting back on delicious food , need a little help. So I looked up gw50 and it looks legit. But I wanna know about the liquiclen .

 

[C0LUMB0]

Actually guys, I'll will probably wait until I'm close to 10-12 bf before I want to start any kind of bulking cycle. I already feel my hard earned muscle is covered by too much fat. Would anyone recomend liquiclen?? If so how would a cycle of that look? I've been natty bulking for 3 yrs now to get where I am now. It's so damn hard cutting back on delicious food , need a little help. So I looked up gw50 and it looks legit. But I wanna know about the liquiclen .

i wouldnt recommend clen bro, personally it makes me feel like shit.
heart-rate is erratic and the migraines are woeful.
if fat is the issue then diet is the solution. drop your calories and look at a macro setup like 50/30/20 ...pro/carb/fat

 

[Thedag]

I personally feel like there is no way you need to take all of the sarms products while just on a test cycle. And you don't need HCG while just on test. You generally use HCG when running more than one compound. The pct portion is good for what Dylan posted but just take nolva while on and after during pct. Clomid for your pct as well and while in cycle just run N2 guard. Aromasin is good to use while on as well. But everything else in my opinion is excessive. Not trying start an argument just my personal opinion.

 

[RickRock13]

SERMS only in a PCT will not help you recover. They have a temporary effect, and your test levels will crash as soon as you come off of them. They are good to have in PCT, but you need much more to raise test naturally and control estrogen rebound.

Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[C0LUMB0]

I personally feel like there is no way you need to take all of the sarms products while just on a test cycle. And you don't need HCG while just on test. You generally use HCG when running more than one compound. The pct portion is good for what Dylan posted but just take nolva while on and after during pct. Clomid for your pct as well and while in cycle just run N2 guard. Aromasin is good to use while on as well. But everything else in my opinion is excessive. Not trying start an argument just my personal opinion.

why would he take nolva and aromasin while on cycle ?
aromasin is a type 2 suicide inhibitor...whats the serm going to bind to ?

you are also wrong about not needing to use hcg on a cycle that only contains one compound.

 

[Thedag]

It was an option to use aromasin or nolva lol and you don't HAVE to use HCG while running just a test cycle. Let me guess you would spend 1,000$ buying shit for a test cycle and using it when you are either pissing it out or your body isn't using it.

 

[C0LUMB0]

It was an option to use aromasin or nolva lol and you don't HAVE to use HCG while running just a test cycle. Let me guess you would spend 1,000$ buying shit for a test cycle and using it when you are either pissing it out or your body isn't using it.

NOLVA is a shit option to use ON cycle ,people use AI's instead for a good reason.

you dont HAVE to use Hcg while running a test cycle , you dont HAVE to keep stimulating your own natty production of LH ,you dont HAVE to have a smooth recovery post-cycle but is it a good idea ?
FUCK YES !

I havent a fuckin clue what you are talking about spending $1000 on shit for a test cycle and pissing it away.
...with $1000 i would buy some AI's , my PCT ,a BJ off a cheap hooker and spend the rest on juice.

 

[Silv]

Dude wants to run like 160 bucks in gear and you guys are recommending 1k+ in "support supplements". Let's be realistic here.

 

[bonacris]

Dude wants to run like 160 bucks in gear and you guys are recommending 1k+ in "support supplements". Let's be realistic here.

It's an expensive lifestyle but I agree it doesn't have to be THAT expensive

My pct costs around 300 euro an I feel it's pretty comprehensive.

But I can spend more on pct because my source is so damn cheap.

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[Nelson Montana]

Nolva is a horrible drug. It's site specific, so it's great at preventing gyno, but gyno is easily avoided. And nolvadex has a rebound effect so it can actually cause gyno after you stop.
PLUS, it kills gains. PLUS, it causes mood swing, depression, impotence, possible eye damage, higher increase for potential stroke. People like to regard it as a "real" PCT drug but that comes from quesswork from gurus of the 90's transferred to the internet

It's liver and kidney toxic and has been shown to cause tumors. And there is no solid evidence that it does anything to restore HPTA. . It is nothing but a myth.

Why anyone would use that shit drug is beyond me.

 

[C0LUMB0]

What are you trying say Nelson ??? ...stop beating around the bush as per usual

 

[The Sauce]

Yes I would like to not spend way too much for my first cycle but money really isn't the deciding factor for me. I just feel like I would be better off running my first cycle using the least amount of drugs possible for a safe cycle and recovery. Starting gear will be a long term investment and I want to know how each drug affects my body. I will never know how I react to just one compound if I'm taking three at the same time. This being the reason I want it to be as simple as possible. Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's my thought process on this.