How Do Homosexuals Feel About Homophobes?

[HansNZ]

Oh and by the way, I have done just fine in my academic pursuits, thank you. The only problems I have had is with liberal professors who didn't agree with my premise. Kind of like yourself. Fortunately as a Math major and MBA guy my exposure to those types was kept to a minimum.

I was talking about your academic style rather than the particular subject matter. Liebral/not liberal professors are beside the point.

I doubt a case study based on your type of reasoning would do very well in the US. In academic work you can't make claims without proving them and you can't blow off facts with unprovable theoretical assertions.

Here in New Zealand your analytic approach would be considered ridiculous. If it is acceptable in the USA then that in an indictment of the US education system. But something tells me it isn't. As a small country we also employ at least 50% of our academic staff from overseas to ensure a continual flow of ideas. As such I have had plenty of American professors, and your approach would not get a very good grade from them.

It is hilarious that you are a maths major. I was just thinking today about how people who often like clear definitions between right and wrong are attracted to rigid environments like the military and Christian Fundamentalism. I was thinking about you and wondering whether you tended to be someone who prefered right/wrong subjects such as maths or science.

 

[GinNJuice]

No arguement there, of course discrimination against these people happens, that was not the point that I addressed. Below is your statement that I addressed and it is incorrect.



Again, it is ONLY legal to evict someone for violation of/ or conclusion of a lease.... even then it is still difficult to evict.



Again, "My argument" was based on a false claim that you made above saying it was legal to kick a guy out solely because he is gay. However, when looking to get a new apartment, I don't know how a potiential LL would know who you like to have sex with Even if you were moving in to an apartment with your boyfriend, putting him in the lease, why would you say you're having sex with him? That's personal business right? There should be no difference if you are roomates.



Again, I don't know how it is any business of a LL or employer, who you have sex with And, even if you like to annouce that to everyone you meet, there are laws to protect you... like EOE and EOH

Hmmmmmm, no reply from Muslebrains.... did I disprove his statement, and he doesn't want to reply???

 

[HansNZ]

I'm sorry that some assholes sent you threats.

However, the internet is NOT just the USA right? I mean, you're not in the USA right? Your country has different laws than mine or the next country... so this is NOT a USA law problem.

This site is based in the USA so therefore it is under the jurisdiction of US laws.

Secondly, do you think that only gay people are sent anonymous bad karma? I get it all the time. Do you think that only gay people are threatened on EF????? Why should you be any different????????????

It wasn't an issue of people being mean by sending me anonymous karma. The issue was that it was constantly about the same thing - my homosexuality. At first I ignored it but it was an avalanche and it didin't end. Much of it was very threatening and abusive.

I had also observed the difference in the way racism was being addressed on this site versus gay-bashing. I also felt that this site was overwhelmingly flooded with homophobia and that it was not an environment inclusive of gay people.

On the other hand, why is it anyones (on EF) business who you like to have sex with? You freely offered that information for some reason.

Well there is constant discussion of heterosexuality and people's sex lives which straight people had no trouble/ or hesitation in expressing. In such an environment I would have to deliberately hide my sexuality, not mention huge parts of my life, my partner, or have conversations whereby I had to pretend I was straight simply because the assumption was made that I was.

Also there is SO much gay-bashing on this site and false claims made about people that I respond to these misrepresentations. As such I am know for being gay, and on a daily basis I am responding to gay hating attitudes and getting abusive karma as a result.

Why should I be quiet? Why should I allow people to make false claims and go unchallenged. If I was to start a post saying something bad about Americans it would get an avalanche of replies.

 

[HansNZ]

Hmmmmmm, no reply from Muslebrains.... did I disprove his statement, and he doesn't want to reply???

Probably because he hasn't been online.

 

[musclebrains]

Hmmmmmm, no reply from Muslebrains.... did I disprove his statement, and he doesn't want to reply???

Oh brother. I replied many posts back.

 

[Longhorn85]

No, TTL, housing laws do not apply to everyone. YOu simply can't get that through your head. YOu move into an apartment. You meet a guy. You move him in. It's LEGAL to kick the guy out because he's gay. He didn't have to wear a dress, act queeny or anything else. It happens ALL THE TIME.

Why do you think local statues add "sexual orientation" to employment and housing laws?? Because gay people are NOT protected under the ordinary laws. You just don't get it, do you?

Finally getting around to responding to you. What I can get through my head is that you want it spelled out on the books that you can't discriminate due to sexual orientation. I don't think that is fair to require that of an owner of private property. Protection against sex, age, creed, color discrimination protects us citizens enough in my opinion. Certain behavior patterns may present a problem that the owner of private property shouldn't be required by law to deal with. Putting sexual orientation on the books would mean that as a landlord I would perhaps have to rent my property to a pedophile or some other undesireable.

I imagine the vignette you posted represents a rare occurence.

If some local govts are adding sexual orientation then that is great. There is cleary a demand from the citizenry. Why does it need to be federalized?

 

[GinNJuice]

Oh brother. I replied many posts back.

not to my rebuttal:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1639101#post1639101

 

[Longhorn85]

I doubt a case study based on your type of reasoning would do very well in the US. In academic work you can't make claims without proving them and you can't blow off facts with unprovable theoretical assertions.

Can you please address my statement that I feel you are as blind and as closed-minded as you accuse me of being. You feel your positions are correct, period. As a result you see me as closed minded. The fact that you consider the spread and acceptance of homosexuality social progress while I consider it social decay is an example.

You attack my style of reasoning as if you were an authority, when in fact you just don't agree with me. That is condescending and frankly arrogant.

 

[musclebrains]

No arguement there, of course discrimination against these people happens, that was not the point that I addressed. Below is your statement that I addressed and it is incorrect.



Again, it is ONLY legal to evict someone for violation of/ or conclusion of a lease.... even then it is still difficult to evict.



Again, "My argument" was based on a false claim that you made above saying it was legal to kick a guy out solely because he is gay. However, when looking to get a new apartment, I don't know how a potiential LL would know who you like to have sex with Even if you were moving in to an apartment with your boyfriend, putting him in the lease, why would you say you're having sex with him? That's personal business right? There should be no difference if you are roomates.



Again, I don't know how it is any business of a LL or employer, who you have sex with And, even if you like to annouce that to everyone you meet, there are laws to protect you... like EOE and EOH

There are no laws except local ones. You are simply wrong. I repeat my question: Why would local statutes be enacted if there was a general protection?

 

[HansNZ]

Your signature is so ironic, because you are blind to your own biases. I may appear ridiculous to you, but to probably a majority of others, it is you who appears ridiculous. I don't appreciate really that you characterize me as ridiculous or closed-minded simply because I disagree with you.

You are an example of someone who can't understand that your idea of social progress is another's example of social decay

I can't believe I missed this post before.

I am ridiculous? You make arguments based on assertion or because you say the bible/the military/whatever says so. You use the same arguments and principles selectively depedning on what your are trying to "prove". You have these extreme double standards and you seem to point blank refuse to analyse them.

You are closed mindeed, not me, because I base my arguments on FACTS and consistent ideas, I don't just ignore these when they become inconvenient. I have given you countless examples supporting my various points of whatever nature on countless threads and you offer nothing in return except more assertions and more contradictions.

In some threads you said you believe homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so and you believe the bible is truth. If you left it at that then fine. But you then go on claiming to "prove" that the bible is God's word or give scientific evidence of why homosexuality is wrong when the scientific facts don't support you. When you do find yourself in a corner you then say something like "that is only the case because whoever/whatever is working from an agenda. I mean ANYONE can "win" an argument that way.

Like I have said before, debating with you is pointless.