HMB dosage Question.... please check out.

[feelin_kinda_saucey]

ok, we all have dimissed this product due to its poor results at low dosages but what if you were to bump the dosages of this stuff if you were able to get ahold of it at a price close to free? what would be the optimal dosage? how would you take it, and what kind of results would come from it ? all replies welcome. thank you for your time

 

[CytoMel]

I think that HMB at any dose is worthless and a waste of $ despite what Bill Phillips said.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

It's not completely worthless. I would say about 20 grams a day, which is 7X what they were suggesting. Use it just like you would BCAA's since it has nearly identical effect. You can take the whole dose right before your workout or during your workout would be even better.

And CytoMel, why do always feel the need to dismiss a legit question if the product in question would be expensive for you to buy?

 

[CytoMel]

It's not completely worthless. I would say about 20 grams a day, which is 7X what they were suggesting. Use it just like you would BCAA's since it has nearly identical effect. You can take the whole dose right before your workout or during your workout would be even better.

And CytoMel, why do always feel the need to dismiss a legit question if the product in question would be expensive for you to buy?

RAGE- You are full of BULLSHIT!

Don't fuckin' lie to us and tel us that HMB works just because you sell supplememts doesnt mean that you should try to pawn shit that doesn't work. Everyone here and who is knowledgeable about supplements knows HMB doesnt do shit so dont promote something that you know doesn't work you scammer!!!

HULK, will you stick your pencil neck out in support of HMB??? Come on- don't bullshit us and tell us that HMB works-are you saying HMB works??

BTW HMB doesnt work dont bother trying that stuff, try 1-AD or creatine or something that actually works.

Yes- HMB is worthless. If it isn't-lets hear some people that stick up for HMB then.

Dont try to scam this board HULK, we know HMB is shit....

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

RAGE- You are full of BULLSHIT!

Don't fuckin' lie to us and tel us that HMB works just because you sell supplememts doesnt mean that you should try to pawn shit that doesn't work. Everyone here and who is knowledgeable about supplements knows HMB doesnt do shit so dont promote something that you know doesn't work you scammer!!!

HULK, will you stick your pencil neck out in support of HMB??? Come on- don't bullshit us and tell us that HMB works-are you saying HMB works??

BTW HMB doesnt work dont bother trying that stuff, try 1-AD or creatine or something that actually works.

Yes- HMB is worthless. If it isn't-lets hear some people that stick up for HMB then.

Dont try to scam this board HULK, we know HMB is shit....

I'll refrain from the name calling though it's very tempting because it would be simply too easy to rip you to shreds.

HMB works the same way as BCAAs if you take it in the same doses. Are you telling me BCAAs are worthless? Answer this question for me.

I don't sell HMB, I'm just being objective. And to be honest, I wouldn't use HMB unless it was nearly free as the original poster stated.

The 3 grams Phillips was recommending IS worthless but ANYONE that is knowledgeable on this board will tell HMB isn't worthless in doses much higher than that. This isn't cost effective unless you can get it nearly free as the first poster stated he can get it for.

And try to act your age.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Just a follow up, I have no idea where you got the idea that I sell HMB. This is the first post I have ever responded to involving HMB.

Is it because my signature has an Avant Labs product, a supplement that undeniably works? I sell this supplement because I bought the lot of 12 to get the cheap price so I have extras.

And I WILL "stick my neck out" and say HMB can be helpful if taking 20 grams a day right around workout time as I originally stated. Not a stretch by any means, but you can't seem to grasp the purpose of BCAAs.

 

[CytoMel]

80 capsules at once? You ae seriously saying to take 80 caps of HMB at one time. HMB comes in 250 mg pills so it would take someone 80 caps at once to follow your bogus recommendation!

You should be the one to grow up and act your age. Someone taking 80 caps at once would most likely give someone a severe upset stomach and potentially much much worse. You say that I am full of shit but you are the one who needs to shut up with your crazy and potentally destructive supplement theories.

Have you tried taking 80 caps of HMB at once (your recommendation)? I bet you havent because you would get sick. Until you do it yourself first and find out it works-don't be so quick to rip my worthless HMB theory.

And also I said nothing about BCAA's. Those are another supplement altogether. Don't put words in my mouth you liar.

Has anyone taken 80 caps of HMB at once and gotten good results?

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Posts in bold are by CytoMel
80 capsules at once? HMB comes in 250 mg pills so it would take someone 80 caps at once to follow your bogus recommendation!

Ultimate has a 750 and I'm sure they make them in 1 gram. I know plenty of people who have done 20+ BCAAs tabs, the big-ass ones, with no stomach upset.

You say that I am full of shit but you are the one who needs to shut up with your crazy and potentally destructive supplement theories.
These aren't theories buddy. And you haven't answered my question about BCAA's. Do you think they are worthless or not?

Have you tried taking 80 caps of HMB at once (your recommendation)? I bet you havent because you would get sickUntil you do it yourself first and find out it works-don't be so quick to rip my worthless HMB theory.
Until you try it yourself, you should keep your ranting theories to yourself. You have done no research on these doses, but base all of your opinions (which you call theories) on the 3 gram dose nobody gets shit from. Nobody gets anything off of 3 grams of BCAAs, by the way.

And also I said nothing about BCAA's. Those are another supplement altogether. Don't put words in my mouth you liar.

Liar? Do you even know where the fuck HMB comes from? This statement proves you don't know shit about HMB. If you say HMB is worthless, you are pretty much saying BCAAs are worthless.
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I'm not hocking HMB or backing it. I'm being objective to the original question asked. You should try that instead of time after time making worthless comments like "it doesn't work, it's a scam, etc." You over-react to everything, with your name calling, and worthless opinions, that do nothing but make you look like a child. I seriously doubt you are as old as your profile claims. If you are, then you better be careful or you'll get a stroke.

I would rather take a BCAA powder drink myself, during my workout with some glutamine peptides added. If you can get the HMB cheaper (gram per gram), then do that instead.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

CytoMel wrote on Today 12:59 PM:
Hey I am sick of you starting trouble with me. If you dont lik what I say then you dont have to rip me and stir me up and start a feud.

As far as I am cocerned, I am not gonna reply to any of your threads as long as you dont reply to mine.

Grow up baby boy

I'm not starting trouble with you, you just like to give out misinformation without being objective. I find that very annoying when someone makes a false comment, based on opinions and not facts.

Do you actually think I stalk your threads so I can bash your posts? Actually, I just like to set the record straight. I'm not on the supplement board much, but I've noticed you giving 2 uninformed opinions to legit questions.

Go back and read the posts and see who is acting like a child.

 

[CytoMel]

HMB and BCAA's are not the same product. Different ingredients-look at the bottles and if you read them instead of spending your time deciding which maxipad fits you best-then you would understand you little muscleless girlbitch.

BCAA's are not worthless and they are not HMB.

Actually untill you try those huge doses of HMB that you recommend-keep your mouth shut about it.

Its pussies like you who think they know everything about supplements-giving out recommendations without trying them yourself first that promote a lot of worthless supplements that you never even tried yourself.

Until you take 80 caps of HMB at one time like you recommend-don't give out false and dangerous advice to us.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

You prove my point more and more with every post you make.

HMB is isolated from L-leucine, one of the 3 BCAAs. BCAA formulas are ideally found with 50% Leucine and 25% each of Isoleucine and valine. There's a reason for more of the leucine. Why do you think they make supplements with only loads of glutamine and leucine and hardly any of the other 2 BCAAs? On a gram per gram basis, BCAAs and HMB have very similar anti-catobolic properties.

You can get as mad as you want and make weak attempts at insults that show your maturity (or lack of) and tell me to shut up, but I'll keep posting. By the way, HMB can be found in powder form, so enough with the 80 cap comments. If creatine came in 250mg caps, would you load up on 20 caps 3 times a day?

For the record, I have never recommended HMB to anyone in my life. If the prices of HMB and L-glutamine were vice versa, people would be bashing l-glutamine. But since l-glutamine is so cost effective it is one of the staples in a supplement program. I don't know everything about supplements but I obviously know more than you.

Dangerous advice? A lot of people recommend 2-5 grams of L-glutamine a day. Do you think taking 50+ grams of L-glutamine is dangerous? Nugga, please

 

[CytoMel]

HMB and BCAA's ARE NOT THE SAME!!

You keep saying that HMB and BCAA's are the same thing..
With lies like this how can anyone believe you??

They are not the same. Andro and testosterone are simmilar but NOT the SAME.

How do you know that high doss of HMB wrk if you have never taken them or don't know anyone who has.

By the way folks, this dude is sending me a ton of junk mail. I don't know what you are trying to sell HULK but please stop sending that jun mail. Just because you are into gay porn doesn't mean that others are also.

You started this by ripping my first post that said HMB is worthless, yet you yourself hasnt tried a megadse of it and you yourself doesnt recommend HMB. So you are sticking up for a product that you wouldnt recommend to anyone. That is why you are a fool.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Why don't read the original post. I was answering his question. I'm sure I've helped him with his decision if he can indeed get HMB for close to nothing.

I would try 20mg of HMB if it was decently priced like glutamine, but it's not. That is not a megadose, by any means. If you knew more about the substance in question, you would know that. You have a serious comprehension problem and keep proving your ignorance.

Keep twisting things to your liking but I never once said HMB and BCAAs are the same thing. I never said I don't know anyone who hasn't tried a much higher does. I've seen a post on this board in which the poster claimed taking 12 grams and a personal friend that worked for a company called supplement direct about 20 miles from my house. Both of them stated they noticed less muscle soreness and were able to work out longer and the same body parts on less rest.

You remind me of someone I knew that bought 800CCs of Deca for an 8 week cycle and then called it fake because he got no gains. What a dumbass and a waste of my time, both of you uninformed retards.

 

[CytoMel]

Until you take that 20 gram HMB dose that you promote and report results on consistet
use of it you are full of shit.

Until you practice what you preach you are nothing but a wannabee supplement expert would rather theroize and start feuds about supplements than train hard and try it yourself.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Until you take that 20 gram HMB dose that you promote and report results on consistet use of it you are full of shit.

Until you practice what you preach you are nothing but a wannabee supplement expert would rather theroize and start feuds about supplements than train hard and try it yourself.

You sound like a broken record repeating the same thing over. Your argument is weak but you argue for argument's sake. Your posts are now trying to question my supplement knowledge and training intensity? WTF does this have to do with the topic?? You are hopelessly outclassed here, so you try to attack this at any angle left, but the actual supplement itself.

All your extensive knowlegde of HMB comes from the feedback of people time and time again saying the 3 grams didn't do jack. Stop being one of the sheep and think for yourself. There are a lot of things I haven't tried. Many of them can be helpful if you know how to use them and worthless to the imbeciles that don't.

You should stay out of subjects you don't know about. Otherwise you just argue without knowing what you're talking about. And you're a fuckin' idiot for thinking I promote HMB. Here's where you repeat something you already said that doesn't relate directly to the topic.

 

[riskybizz007]

This thread is getting out of hand. My question is this, why buy HMB at all? If the main ingredient is a "form" of L-leucine, why not just by the friggin L-leucine and save tons of money in the process? Or better yet.... get BCAA powder and save a ton. Why is HMB so necessary and how would it differ from regular L-leucine or BCAA powder, which is less than half the price.

And for a 20g dose... I would seriously look at the other 2 options if you think L-leucine is that great.

 

[CytoMel]

You sound like a broken record repeating the same thing over. Your argument is weak but you argue for argument's sake. Your posts are now trying to question my supplement knowledge and training intensity? WTF does this have to do with the topic?? You are hopelessly outclassed here, so you try to attack this at any angle left, but the actual supplement itself.

All your extensive knowlegde of HMB comes from the feedback of people time and time again saying the 3 grams didn't do jack. Stop being one of the sheep and think for yourself. There are a lot of things I haven't tried. Many of them can be helpful if you know how to use them and worthless to the imbeciles that don't.

You should stay out of subjects you don't know about. Otherwise you just argue without knowing what you're talking about. And you're a fuckin' idiot for thinking I promote HMB. Here's where you repeat something you already said that doesn't relate directly to the topic.

Sorry shithead, nobody wants to buy your worhless HMB supplements.

There is no way that you are gonna scam the informed members of this board with your fake HMB. So you have a ton of HMB for sale? Don't try to tell us it works just so you can sell it!

You should think twice about attacking people's posts like when you started the feud at the top of this thead.

And I dont think anyone will want to buy from you with your pushy lie containing posts. I was actually interested in buying before I found out that you are an annoying HMB scammer.

I tried HMB before and it didnt do shit for me. I wasted a lot of $ on it too. And people like you try to act like it works just so you can sell it! What a scammer you are! I suggest you leave the supplement business and do something else besides promote useless supplements that you yourself would never take.

HMB DOESN"T WORK! WAKE UP SCAMMER!

007 you are right HMB is garbage and so is a 20 gram dose.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

This thread is getting out of hand. My question is this, why buy HMB at all? If the main ingredient is a "form" of L-leucine, why not just by the friggin L-leucine and save tons of money in the process? Or better yet.... get BCAA powder and save a ton. Why is HMB so necessary and how would it differ from regular L-leucine or BCAA powder, which is less than half the price.

And for a 20g dose... I would seriously look at the other 2 options if you think L-leucine is that great.

Risky, BCAAs are a much better choice for 99.9% of the population because of the cost issue. You can get 200 grams at beyond-a-century.com for 14.50. Here's a link:
https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi?product=Amino_Acids&cart_id=6760864_24234

I believe you can find an article on optimal use at www.charlespoliquin.net, because Chuck is big on BCAAs.

Now Cytomel, are you going to claim I own those websites and I'm posting the links to make myself some money? Give it up, I'm not selling HMB, and never claimed to, so stop implying it. I'm answering the question of the first poster who said he can get HMB for almost free.

And yes, I know you'll keep claiming I sell HMB at any attempt to win this argument, but you can't because you are hopelessly uninformed.

 

[riskybizz007]

B-A-C is a good company, I bought their BCAA's before and dumped it into my whey shakes. I couldn't stand taking them in just water or juice though, the flakes will not dissolve.

As far as Charle's site, it doesn't work. Can you send me the link again?

And as far as regular BCAA's, it seems from what you're saying they've very similar to HMB. IMO it just might be better, there's 2 more amino's w/ regular BCAA's. I've also read on L-Lysine a lot, it being one of the 1st amino's to go when working out. W/ that said, we all know how important BCAAs are, Glutamine, some know of Lysine, Taurine (2nd most abundant next to glutamine), but would it really make sense to supplement w/ all of these? IMO it doesn't, too many that are too important.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

B-A-C is a good company.

Yes, they are very reputable. I have bought ALA and Taurine from them before and may try their BCAAs in the near future. Their powder has a very good ratio of the aminos, where-as Kilosports is less optimal (and more expensive).

As far as Charle's site, it doesn't work. Can you send me the link again?
I put a coma at the end so it didn't work. www.charlespoliquin.net
I'm a friend of the girl on the cover of his next book.

And as far as regular BCAA's, it seems from what you're saying they've very similar to HMB. IMO it just might be better, there's 2 more amino's w/ regular BCAA's. I've also read on L-Lysine a lot, it being one of the 1st amino's to go when working out. W/ that said, we all know how important BCAAs are, Glutamine, some know of Lysine, Taurine (2nd most abundant next to glutamine), but would it really make sense to supplement w/ all of these? IMO it doesn't, too many that are too important.

This is making things way too complicated in my opinion. It reminds me of the people who take a multi and then supplement extra b-12, calcium, manganese, etc. without a reason. Whey is basicly, for lack of a better term a multi-amino. What I usually do (not now because I'm on a CKD diet) for my during workout drink is about 50 grams of whey, 40 maltodextrin and 30 dextrose (this is a during workout drink, not all at once). I've experimented and this seems to work best for me though some might get an upset stomach.
Whey has a good breakdown of those aminos you mentioned (except glutamine) and typical whey will have 6-7 grams BCAAs per 50. Poliquin says he tried a huge dose (20-40) and got awesome recovery, workout endurance, etc. In my opinion though, the whey and carbs are all you need if you want it cost effective and not go broke trying to add everything in the mix. Take the glutamine before and after workout, since it isn't stable in water very long.

 

[CytoMel]

Risky, BCAAs are a much better choice for 99.9% of the population because of the cost issue. You can get 200 grams at beyond-a-century.com for 14.50. Here's a link:
https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi?product=Amino_Acids&cart_id=6760864_24234

I believe you can find an article on optimal use at www.charlespoliquin.net, because Chuck is big on BCAAs.

Now Cytomel, are you going to claim I own those websites and I'm posting the links to make myself some money? Give it up, I'm not selling HMB, and never claimed to, so stop implying it. I'm answering the question of the first poster who said he can get HMB for almost free.

And yes, I know you'll keep claiming I sell HMB at any attempt to win this argument, but you can't because you are hopelessly uninformed.

Rage,

Please take me off your email list, I don't want to by your HMB or anything else that you sell. I dont trust you and I wouldnt put it past you to tamper with your products either. I would not trust anyone like you and I would recommend to everyone else NOT to uy anything from you.

Please take me off our junk mail list-I am not interested in your scams.

Also you must actually train hard to get reslts from supplements-not just wrte about them.

 

[riskybizz007]

thanks for the replies

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

I don't want to by your HMB or anything else that you sell. I dont trust you and I wouldnt put it past you to tamper with your products either. I would not trust anyone like you and I would recommend to everyone else NOT to uy anything from you.

Please take me off our junk mail list-I am not interested in your scams.

Also you must actually train hard to get reslts from supplements-not just wrte about them.

Okay you figured me out. I do sell HMB, but only the label says HMB. There is no actual HMB. It is all sodium. You make big weight gains but it is all water retention. There is a side effect of high blood pressure (apparently you've been taking it) but you can flavor your food with it. It's real good on french fries.

Did I make it too obvious that I own beyond-a-century by saying that they are a reputable company? Rats, foiled again!!

I'm sure you are the only one on this board that trains hard. I just know about supplements, but don't actually go to the gym. I bet the more knowledgeable someone is, the less they go to the gym, right. If so you must go 3 times a day.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

thanks for the replies

No problem. Thanks for having an open mind.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Borrowed from Avant Labs boards:

"Gone will be the hollow and faint whispers of children that say much with their mouths, yet say little with their minds.

For those that speak upon the matters at hand by saying that this “rocks”, “sucks”, or other such statements that speak not of reason, but speak becoming of the tirade of children, your voice will find itself most welcome elsewhere."

Welcome elsewhere Cyto!!
You may need this:
www.websters.com

 

[CytoMel]

Borrowed from Avant Labs boards:

"Gone will be the hollow and faint whispers of children that say much with their mouths, yet say little with their minds.

For those that speak upon the matters at hand by saying that this “rocks”, “sucks”, or other such statements that speak not of reason, but speak becoming of the tirade of children, your voice will find itself most welcome elsewhere."

Welcome elsewhere Cyto!!
You may need this:
www.websters.com

Go peddle your pussy placenta placebo products elsewhere! Its about time that you admit that you sell HMB. Too bad your HMB didnt help your menstral pains though. Do not despair-your Lady of America fitness membership is still good so pop some PMS pills and put on your panties and makeup and head down for some Tae-bo!

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Go peddle your pussy placenta placebo products elsewhere! Its about time that you admit that you sell HMB. Too bad your HMB didnt help your menstral pains though. Do not despair-your Lady of America fitness membership is still good so pop some PMS pills and put on your panties and makeup and head down for some Tae-bo!

Why do you keep crying? Seriously how much clomid are you taking bitch?

 

[CytoMel]

Why do you keep crying? Seriously how much clomid are you taking bitch?

You need to relax on that Vagasil dosage, ma that stuff is going right from your vagina straight to your feeble brain. I am sorry that your father made you suck his cannon while your mother urinated on you-no wonder you hate life and yourself. That "Time of the month" will pass soon so dont soil your panties over this please.

 

[feelin_kinda_saucey]

SO, exactly how long have you two been married ?????

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

SO, exactly how long have you two been married ?????

Funny how he overreacted isn't it?
Well, I never claimed to be a guru, so I asked one, here's my email to, and the response I got from Charles Poliquin:



Mod Guy wrote:

Dear Charles,
I know you are really busy so I will save the praise though I could go on all day about how your tips have helped me.

Do you think HMB in a 20 gram dose used the same way as you recommend BCAAs would have similar anti-catabolic properties and help with workout endurence, muscle recovery, etc. I'm not asking about if it is cost effective, so just throw that out the window.

By the way, I'm friends with (name withheld) who tells me she met you at the Anaheim convention and are considering her for the cover of your next book. I mention this because you gave her fiance' a great tip on how to hold the bar on squats that have helped my poundages (and my back).

Thanks a million (name edited out)


9 grams of HMB is significantly anti-catabolic, I found it to be useful in the past at that dose.
Charles

 

[CytoMel]

9 grams eh? Not 20? Well guess I was right all along

Rage,
I can also send you some tissues to wipe all that brown stuff off your lips from kissing Poliquin's glutes.

Saucey,

Finally we have an answer so good luck with that HMB, hope it works for you.

 

[KillJoy]

Damn guys, What are y'all fighting about? HMB? LOL
The important thing is that HMB is not going to hurt you.
Sure,you might have to take alot, Maybe not 20g, but 6g to 10g.
and a other thing is that HMB might not help to much to gain mass, but it could help people who play sports who have to run.
basket ball, soccer, ect...or low carb........or older people in general. Is HMB high on my list?...NO...but to say that it is shit is just as stupid. besides.....if you are onthis boards, you should know how to get the lowest price on the stuff. And one more thing.......what works for one person........................................Fill in the blank

KJ

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

The important thing is that HMB is not going to hurt you.
Sure,you might have to take alot, Maybe not 20g, but 6g to 10g.
and a other thing is that HMB might not help to much to gain mass, but it could help people who play sports who have to run.
basket ball, soccer, ect...or low carb........or older people in general. Is HMB high on my list?...NO...but to say that it is shit is just as stupid. besides.....if you are onthis boards, you should know how to get the lowest price on the stuff. And one more thing.......what works for one person........................................Fill in the blank

KJ

This sums up all my posts and proves you need even less to get it's effects.

So Cyto, what was all the talk about HMB is worthless in any dose, I'm a bullshit scammer, I promote HMB because I sell it, etc?

And Poliquin has written several great articles as well as books so I don't mind verbally kissing his ass.

As for the junk mail, I will take you off the gay porn list and send additional pissing, shitting and beastiality mail as you requested. Enjoy

 

[CytoMel]

This sums up all my posts and proves you need even less to get it's effects.

So Cyto, what was all the talk about HMB is worthless in any dose, I'm a bullshit scammer, I promote HMB because I sell it, etc?

And Poliquin has written several great articles as well as books so I don't mind verbally kissing his ass.

As for the junk mail, I will take you off the gay porn list and send additional pissing, shitting and beastiality mail as you requested. Enjoy

I am a fan on Poliquin also, I read his book and used a few of his programs.

I said to take a dose of 0 grams of HMB

You said to take 20 grams

Poliquin said 9 grams

So I WAS CLOSER TO YOUR IDOL'S HMB RECCOMENDATIONS! I was 9 grams off-You were 11 grams off you cocksucking zit infested dog molesting atrophied peice of trash!

Yes take me off your HMB sales list. But I want on your sales list of your mom's nude photos. I'll take the one of her sucking you off-you incestious supplement scammer!