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mbag012

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high bf% increases aromatisation of test and will therefore increase estrogen related sides.

whats with the dogma that you require a low bf% before cycling? to prevent aromatisation you can just shove an adex tablet down your throat. estrogen related sides arent even that bad to be honest.

powerlifters and strongmen dont cut fat til they are 10-15%bf til they cycle/stay on forever. the strongest people on earth look like they are at 30%bf or more.
 
nah bro even heavyweight powerlifters aren't no 30% body fat (google what a 30% body fat looks like.. that is a shit ton of fat!!). i see a lot of dudes at my gym 20% body fat or so and they just look like big marshmallows, and i also see them on the ab machine lol. no definition at all. but you are right heavyweight powerlifters who aren't worried about making weight will have a lot more fat than most 'athletes'.. but lets not pretend they are healthy either.

reason you want your body fat 15% or less is sides. your lipids are gonna be strained if you have too much fat on your body, but add AAS to the mix and you get really really strained. that will lead to sides and be counter productive to muscle building. if you can't sleep and feel too crappy to workout from sides than how is that gonna help you gain muscle?
 
Mbag that's a good point about the powerlifters but they are a small demographic (no pun intended)

The idea here is that juice is not going to take an out of shape guy and make him ripped...too many people think it's a cure-all....

~EZ
 
Hi mbag012

Power lifters and strongmen aren't interested in the aesthetic aspect of training either, and so being higher body-fat doesn't bother them. In any case, even if you managed to power through the E2 side-effects okay, how are you going to power through your growing and blatantly evident pair of titties, that are bound to appear sooner or later. It's not just E2 to worry about either; you've also got the moob friendly prolactin effects too.

Okay, you don't have to be ripped to start AAS but starting a cycle at unhealthy body-fat level is going to end up in disappointment from any angle.

Regards,
Craig
 
just tryna satisfy a curiosity about this so bear with me a little more

so lets look at eric spoto(current RAW benchpress WR holder, zydrunas savickas(3times worlds strongest man, one of the most celebrated strongman in history), and donnie thompson(totaled 3000 multi-ply). im calling out the biggest names in their respective sports right now and they are all at least 30%bf although i might be wrong because ive never been good at estimating bf.

now im at 220, 21-23%bf (calculated from internet bf calculators) and ive got a couple test e vials in my wardrobe and i wanna get started right now but this high bf thing is holding me back. i gained around 20 over the last year, mostly muscle but i find it hard to control my diet because i have irregular work schedules so i always have excess 1000-2000 calories and therefore always a bit of fat coming on me (i eat around 5k calories a day) due to enormous appetite. ive never gotten around to cutting fat because the concept is not welcome to me mentally. the idea of getting weaker is horrifying and although i can do it if i really tried, its going to take a while to cut down to 15% bf. i want to cycle now and hit my 300overhead press.

ive got a 35ml of liq adex on hand, wont that be enough to combat the sides?
 
Just cause ur cutting doesn't mean you wil loose strength I'm in a calorie deficit and I'm making prs.... It's all about ur mind and just caz u have an irregular schedule doesn't mean u can't loose weight pack ur meals even if there something small and eat them. In the end ur going to do what you want but what we are telling you is that if you run a cycle at 26% bf u will most likely have horrible sides that could possibly put you out for a few weeks and reaching that 300 over head press impossible on cycle.. As for oilfield, we have discussed before you are not in a good position to cycle either man patience is key
 
Lotts of people have irregular work schedules....

~EZ
 
Idobehigh said:
Just cause ur cutting doesn't mean you wil loose strength I'm in a calorie deficit and I'm making prs.... It's all about ur mind and just caz u have an irregular schedule doesn't mean u can't loose weight pack ur meals even if there something small and eat them. In the end ur going to do what you want but what we are telling you is that if you run a cycle at 26% bf u will most likely have horrible sides that could possibly put you out for a few weeks and reaching that 300 over head press impossible on cycle.. As for oilfield, we have discussed before you are not in a good position to cycle either man patience is key
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Yeah we have discussed it, I'm eating super healthy now, ill have my body fat checked around November and see where I stand and maybe then ill be healthy enough. I'm being patient, don't need bigger bitch tits lol
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
I'm new to this but I'm 26% 6'2" 340lbs, could do a winstrol cycle and eat super clean until I'm at 15% or lower?
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winstrol is probably the worst aas that will kill your lipid profile. lipids are probably the biggest concern when your body fat is too high while using aas.
 
I'll break this down really simply


steroids (naturally made ones)are made in part by lipids... I'm not gonna sugar coat this. When you're fat you have excess lipids...when your test is high your body wants to move some of it elsewhere...turning it into estrogen is easy and convenient ands the body thinks it needs more of it in an attempt to keep balance

high test, abundant lipids..body wants to make estrogen= disaster

avoid disaster



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shirlene29 said:
I'll break this down really simply


steroids (naturally made ones)are made in part by lipids... I'm not gonna sugar coat this. When you're fat you have excess lipids...when your test is high your body wants to move some of it elsewhere...turning it into estrogen is easy and convenient ands the body thinks it needs more of it in an attempt to keep balance

high test, abundant lipids..body wants to make estrogen= disaster

avoid disaster



this public service message brought to you by Shirls
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yeah but then you are saying that guys actually have to workout and eat right to build a nice body. that would require effort and takes time. so thats no fun in our ADD society.. just ask this guy who has been juicing a year straight with zero base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3Iu67Ndxk
 
isn't that a screen name here?? or somewhere??


I swear that cat looks exactly like some little punk I almost bitch slapped in the back of my ambulance, troo story


lololol@ hint of abs, no son
 
Omg this guy is a complete retard lmao I'm sure he has no idea what he is doing not to mention he was running clen when he already has no muscle mass wtf is he doing lol
 
Idobehigh said:
Omg this guy is a complete retard lmao I'm sure he has no idea what he is doing not to mention he was running clen when he already has no muscle mass wtf is he doing lol
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that piece of shit used to be a member here. he is probably the biggest fucking idiot I have ever seen. he has run test, tren, you name it... he looks 90% the same as he did before he ever started. he went from heroin junkie to AAS moron. one needle for another. he is a life fail. he needs to resign ( from life) .
 
oilfield trash sorta hijacked my thread rofl

anyway, thanks shirlene BUUUUUUUUUT wont an AI prevent test from converting to estrogen in the first place? or am i just misunderstanding how an AI works?
 
yes and no...but its a case of your body writing checks your ai can't cash
 
shirlene29 said:
I'll break this down really simply


steroids (naturally made ones)are made in part by lipids... I'm not gonna sugar coat this. When you're fat you have excess lipids...when your test is high your body wants to move some of it elsewhere...turning it into estrogen is easy and convenient ands the body thinks it needs more of it in an attempt to keep balance

high test, abundant lipids..body wants to make estrogen= disaster

avoid disaster



this public service message brought to you by Shirls
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Shirls, I like your explanation - it's short and simply for the fat noobs cycling prematurely.
 
so if there is too much bodyfat, there might be so much aromatisation that estrogen levels will reach dangerous levels even if there is an ai in the system?
 
yes...unless youre dumping so much ai on to the fire you begin to experience your own set of side effects from that as well as diminishing returns
you have prompted me to research it further so I can point to an exact how and why however

so kudos for thought provoking discussion. Things that make me go "hmmmm" sort of make my day :)
 
unless I'm in a bad mood then I go into mom-mode "because I said so!"
 
El Hefe said:
Shirls, I like your explanation - it's short and simply for the fat noobs cycling prematurely.
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thanks..

I think people fall asleep when you start putting up chemical profiles and dbl blind studies and break down the nuts and bolts
or worse still, don't understand it and give up trying to figure it out

when it can be explained more simply in laymans terms and everyone gets it.
 
at 20-21%bf, 500mg/wk; i dont think this is a huge risk in my case. it says that 1mg.day will reduce est levels by 80% which is less than i thought considering how horribly expensive this crap is.
 
well see...you don't want your est levels to be zero either
you'll run into pretty bad issues...and estimates like that aren't terribly reliable..it doesn't factor every variable



I can't say I totally agree with you on running a cycle at your bf but it is ultimately your body...I don't think you're going to be terribly happy with the result and I don't see the point in wasting the gear when a good month of diet and training could kill that other 5% (really)
 
Being in good shape and health is essential before cycling to make your cycle go as safely and smoothly as possible. Generally blood pressure increases on cycle, and those with higher BF have higher bp anyways. Combine the two and its a recipe for hypertension.
 
yeah,,,i already started my cycle lol. dammit i just couldnt keep my hands off the vials.

but seriously, something makes me wonder why strength athletes with high bf% can use gear? just reiterating the names i mentioned in a previous post,
eric spoto - world record raw bench
zydrunas savickas - 3x worlds strongest man, currently dominating all strongman titles
donnie thompson - 3000pound total
they look like they are 40% bf and they are almost certainly on some kind of test. what gives for them?
 
mbag012 said:
yeah,,,i already started my cycle lol. dammit i just couldnt keep my hands off the vials.

but seriously, something makes me wonder why strength athletes with high bf% can use gear? just reiterating the names i mentioned in a previous post,
eric spoto - world record raw bench
zydrunas savickas - 3x worlds strongest man, currently dominating all strongman titles
donnie thompson - 3000pound total
they look like they are 40% bf and they are almost certainly on some kind of test. what gives for them?
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You want to run gear at a high BF because pro powerlifter fat asses do it...but its the same reason I wouldn't recommend someone run 4,000mg of test per week "just because Ronnie Coleman does" regardless of the shape they are in. Its reckless and asinine

Just because pros do something, doesn't make it right....and do you really think health is these guys primary concern? LOL
 
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