Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below i have been using gh about 14 months with fair results...i used humalin r for about 4 weeks and turned into a fat pig. I thought i had the timing and diet right but my results show i did not! Could you please post what you think is a good way to use gh, slin (humalog this time) aas, i also have t3 and can get whatever you suggest. please help with diet and timing of both the gh and slin. if you already have a post on this please list the link. I am looking to increase mass while staying as lean as I can. Thanks and I really respect your knowledge,we miss you around here lately you don't seem to post as much. I would think it is because how silly the board seem to get with flaming etc...plus I am sure you are busy with questions from young bucks like me!! LOL THANKS [email protected]
Help with gh IRONMASTER
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I would need to know how much GH and humulin you were using and when. Also, what schedule of nutrient intake did you use after the insulin? What brand of GH?
Thanks for your time...i was using 2ius am and 2pm jintropin i would do about 8units of humalin r at the same times followed with a shake 50 grams protien about 40 grams of carbs then 2 hours later 2 chicken breasts and 1 cup of rice.I think my problem was not eating super clean after that meal of chicken and brown rice.But i did stay away from any sweets and most fats.Just more shakes and chicken and rice and pasta the rest of the day.I am naturally pretty lean but my gut just went up 3 inches from the slin. I dropped the slin and am still hitting the gh and test and watching carbs and dropped that extra lbs.i now do all the gh in the am.So maybe if i just do the humalog which clears faster I would do better. I really just feel I am missing alot of the results from the gh without slin. I am 33 5'9 216 bodyfat about 10% been training and using aas for about 12 years. I run a few gyms for a living.I am behind on my education of proper GH use with slin,t3 and aas. Feel free to tell me what to do. I can get other aas if needed . I have them on hand. I just want to add some lean mass and just get a better overall look.( LIKE YOUR PICS!)
Hey, brother, I'm always glad to help out a good man if I can.
When you use GH for the purpose of leanness and simply want to counteract GH's negative impact on insulin sensitivity, then humalog is always best. It is so fast that it won't cause undesired weight gain. However, when using GH as part of a mass building cycle, I prefer a slower insulin.......even slower than humulin-r. ("N" or 70/30 or "U") If you looked at my gallery, there are 2 pics side by side which show the effects of a GH/steroid cycle compared to a GH/steroid/insulin cycle. You can see that I'm thicker, bigger, but a little smooth in the insulin bulking cycle. Is that what you have? Or did you gain 3 inches of fat in the gut and no where else?
That's extreme, if it's 3 bad inches........either you been going nuts on the junk food, or something is wrong with the gear or the GH. Longterm use of HCG will cause accumulations of fat around the waist in men. HCG is often the active ingredient in bogus GH.
Anyway, I would try the humalog at 7iu with the GH injection. Your shake should be taken at about the same time as the injections, and that light meal at 1 hour. After 2 or 3 hours, you don't need to be so careful.
Also, synthetic GH can cause thyroid difficulties for some people. After several weeks of GH injections, some experience an increased binding of natural thyroid hormones. Bound hormone is not effective, and these people should consider a light dosage of T3 to avoid fat gain and bloating. The dangers of long term T3 use have been exaggerated. 25 to 50 mcg is not a problem.
You might want to try a cycle of androgenics/GH/insulin, but at the half-way point taper back the androgenics and insulin while transfering to an anabolics/GH/T3 conclusion.
So keep me posted, and thanks for the kind words.
When you use GH for the purpose of leanness and simply want to counteract GH's negative impact on insulin sensitivity, then humalog is always best. It is so fast that it won't cause undesired weight gain. However, when using GH as part of a mass building cycle, I prefer a slower insulin.......even slower than humulin-r. ("N" or 70/30 or "U") If you looked at my gallery, there are 2 pics side by side which show the effects of a GH/steroid cycle compared to a GH/steroid/insulin cycle. You can see that I'm thicker, bigger, but a little smooth in the insulin bulking cycle. Is that what you have? Or did you gain 3 inches of fat in the gut and no where else?
That's extreme, if it's 3 bad inches........either you been going nuts on the junk food, or something is wrong with the gear or the GH. Longterm use of HCG will cause accumulations of fat around the waist in men. HCG is often the active ingredient in bogus GH.
Anyway, I would try the humalog at 7iu with the GH injection. Your shake should be taken at about the same time as the injections, and that light meal at 1 hour. After 2 or 3 hours, you don't need to be so careful.
Also, synthetic GH can cause thyroid difficulties for some people. After several weeks of GH injections, some experience an increased binding of natural thyroid hormones. Bound hormone is not effective, and these people should consider a light dosage of T3 to avoid fat gain and bloating. The dangers of long term T3 use have been exaggerated. 25 to 50 mcg is not a problem.
You might want to try a cycle of androgenics/GH/insulin, but at the half-way point taper back the androgenics and insulin while transfering to an anabolics/GH/T3 conclusion.
So keep me posted, and thanks for the kind words.
Thank you very much for the time...the gh may have been bad my source was not very good on the shipping end. Heat may have spoiled the gh.That problem has been fixed.Can i get away with just inj. in the am? i am at my gyms until 830pm i train around 630pmOnce i get home i am up until around 1145pm. Should i do the slin everyday? or just after working out or only on workout days? I want some size but not the fat!!! LOL THANKS AGAIN
Whether you inject in the AM or after workouts, you should always use the insulin with the GH to counter insulin desensitivity caused by the GH. I inject both after a late afternoon workout. Use the humalog every day that you use GH.
If bulking with super slow time release insulin, use the insulin in the AM.
Currently I am using time-release GH, so slow insulin is a natural with it, and injection times aren't as important.
You may need to add in the T3 if the weight problem continues.
Needsize.......if I am using less than 4iu Gh, I inject once per day. I split anything at 4iu or more, and also the insulin if it's humalog.
Animalb......how the fuck are you brother? Yes, ansomone is very effective and the price is sure right. Hey man, keep watching the board. I'm starting a thread on "unsung hero's of EF" and YOU are one of them.
If bulking with super slow time release insulin, use the insulin in the AM.
Currently I am using time-release GH, so slow insulin is a natural with it, and injection times aren't as important.
You may need to add in the T3 if the weight problem continues.
Needsize.......if I am using less than 4iu Gh, I inject once per day. I split anything at 4iu or more, and also the insulin if it's humalog.
Animalb......how the fuck are you brother? Yes, ansomone is very effective and the price is sure right. Hey man, keep watching the board. I'm starting a thread on "unsung hero's of EF" and YOU are one of them.
traps........humalog is so fast, you won't see much in the way of anabolic results. For humulin-r, start at 4iu and work up to 10.
10iu in the AM and 10iu in the PM will put some size on anyone.
Just be careful. Although most feel "R" is a 4 hour hormone with a 2 hour peak, it can have an active period of 6 hours, and can surprise you with a spike at anytime therein. A carb drink at 45 minutes and a good meal at 1.5 to 2 hours followed by a carb/protein drink at 3.5 to 4 hours should be fine. And keep a candy bar handy and some OJ.
Ok, will do mvmaxx. I need to talk to you sometime about our mutual friend out in the sand.
10iu in the AM and 10iu in the PM will put some size on anyone.
Just be careful. Although most feel "R" is a 4 hour hormone with a 2 hour peak, it can have an active period of 6 hours, and can surprise you with a spike at anytime therein. A carb drink at 45 minutes and a good meal at 1.5 to 2 hours followed by a carb/protein drink at 3.5 to 4 hours should be fine. And keep a candy bar handy and some OJ.
Ok, will do mvmaxx. I need to talk to you sometime about our mutual friend out in the sand.
I keep getting my spike from the humalin r at the 1.5 hour mark after injection, right when I'm due for a meal, I've started to go hypo 3 times right at that mark despite eating almost constantly. now I've started taking in more simple sugars at the 1 hour mark, and no sides now.
IM, I'm still working my way up on the gh and am only at 3iu right now, if I'm doing it 1x per day, does it have to be first thing, or should it be post workout?
IM, I'm still working my way up on the gh and am only at 3iu right now, if I'm doing it 1x per day, does it have to be first thing, or should it be post workout?
I go post workout, but I'm so old I produce very little of my own. Younger guys can also pick a flat spot in the daily natural production pattern. Click on my gallery and you will find a chart showing the highs and lows of daily production of endogenous GH.
Yes, either of those times would be good. My preference would be after workout.
Man, you are looking damn good. A little tweaking here and there and you will be winning some big shows.
Contest prep is really an ordeal, isn't it needsize? It's like 6 months of pure focus.
Why don't you start a thread of questions and answers for competition preparation. There are a lot of folks here who would like to know, and some smart people like yourself to help.
Oh.....alltraps, don't mix the GH and insulin in the same pin.
Man, you are looking damn good. A little tweaking here and there and you will be winning some big shows.
Contest prep is really an ordeal, isn't it needsize? It's like 6 months of pure focus.
Why don't you start a thread of questions and answers for competition preparation. There are a lot of folks here who would like to know, and some smart people like yourself to help.
Oh.....alltraps, don't mix the GH and insulin in the same pin.
IM you are a great source of info to us all ,and the best part is you take the time to share your knowledge to everyone who asks. I wish the boards could have more guys like you! But so many young men with way to much TEST in the body(talking smack from behind a computer)make it tough to weed past all the crap!
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Thanks IM, the feedback means a lot coming from you. At this point I'm all about gaining mass, I'm eating 8-9 times a day, just started a big cycle, and am running the insulin and gh, as I figure I can do some damage at the higher levels with some more size.
The contest prep was hard, I like to compare it to having a baby. Leading up to it, and in the stirrups, the woman is in so much pain and discomfort that she swears she'll never do it again. But once its over, she forgets how hard it was, and starts planning the next one...
The contest prep was hard, I like to compare it to having a baby. Leading up to it, and in the stirrups, the woman is in so much pain and discomfort that she swears she'll never do it again. But once its over, she forgets how hard it was, and starts planning the next one...
traps, just take your time building up to a therapeutic dose. I've been hypoglycemic many times. You can feel it coming on.....you get a little shakey and dizzy first. No big deal. Get a couple tubes of glucose in the diabetic section of the pharmacy and stick them in your pocket. It will stop the reaction in a couple minutes. Chug down a coke and you will be right as rain.
Oddly enough, the time-release insulins that sound so scary are really the easiest to use. Humulin-u is a 12 hour plus insulin that has no noticeable spike at all. Just take in nutrients every 2 hours and get big. 70/30 is also good stuff. 30% is fast acting, so it compliments GH quite well, 70% is timed release for all day anabolic activity.
You'll be ok. keep us posted.
Oddly enough, the time-release insulins that sound so scary are really the easiest to use. Humulin-u is a 12 hour plus insulin that has no noticeable spike at all. Just take in nutrients every 2 hours and get big. 70/30 is also good stuff. 30% is fast acting, so it compliments GH quite well, 70% is timed release for all day anabolic activity.
You'll be ok. keep us posted.
Dutch windmill
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Excellent thread brothers!!!
Nice work from all of you..This is the way elite memebers should go along with eachother
D.W.
Nice work from all of you..This is the way elite memebers should go along with eachother
D.W.
traps, just start slow and work up. Like 3iu for a couple days, then add an iu every few until you get 7 to 10 each. You will find the point where you are comfortable this way.
I'm up every couple hours for some nutrition all night.
If you keep your complex carb intake up all day, you will be fine at night.
Some prefer humulin-n. It is similar in to r, but it peaks on a steeper curve and has a mild tail end.
Feel free to mail me while working into this.......I know the right stuff to use to keep carb levels right while on insulin.
Dutch! One of the great ones. This is the guy to ask about euro counterfeits, prices etc.
I'm up every couple hours for some nutrition all night.
If you keep your complex carb intake up all day, you will be fine at night.
Some prefer humulin-n. It is similar in to r, but it peaks on a steeper curve and has a mild tail end.
Feel free to mail me while working into this.......I know the right stuff to use to keep carb levels right while on insulin.
Dutch! One of the great ones. This is the guy to ask about euro counterfeits, prices etc.
benevolent anarchist
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ironmaster
ironmaster, your pictures always inspire me. You look better than most people half your age.
Question:
Can you give me your opinion on, or offer any alternative choices, to someone who does not want to use insulin with HGH? Currently I’m just taking 2 grams of Glucorell (r-ALA) per day. Is glucophage an alternative?
I’m using the Supra L rHGH and so far I like it. In the past, I have also used the Nutropin Depot, and you’re right about it being excellent stuff.
ironmaster, your pictures always inspire me. You look better than most people half your age.
Question:
Can you give me your opinion on, or offer any alternative choices, to someone who does not want to use insulin with HGH? Currently I’m just taking 2 grams of Glucorell (r-ALA) per day. Is glucophage an alternative?
I’m using the Supra L rHGH and so far I like it. In the past, I have also used the Nutropin Depot, and you’re right about it being excellent stuff.
benevolent............Probably the best choice of insulin sensitizer would be Avandia, a so called thiazolidinedione. These drugs are superior to ALA in their ability to shuttle glucose into the cell, and even more importantly they upregulate glycogen synthase. The drawback to ALA is that it may improve glucose transport into the cell, but if the glucose cannot be stored as glycogen, transport will cease. Insulin itself upregulates glycogen synthase.
Also, the insulin resistance associated with anabolic steroid use is thought to be a result of impaired glycogen synthase. ALA won't help this but a thiazolidinedione would. ALA is fine as an OTC drug, but it really pales in comparison to some of the other things out there. The other plus to ALA besides its availability is the apparent lack of side effects.
Not only do the thiazolidinediones enhance glucose transport into cells, they increase amino acid uptake as well. These drugs induce a 4 to 5-fold increase in the rate of amino acid uptake for a given plasma level of insulin. That is impressive.
I'll be interested to hear your final opinion on the Supra product, and thanks for the compliment.
Also, the insulin resistance associated with anabolic steroid use is thought to be a result of impaired glycogen synthase. ALA won't help this but a thiazolidinedione would. ALA is fine as an OTC drug, but it really pales in comparison to some of the other things out there. The other plus to ALA besides its availability is the apparent lack of side effects.
Not only do the thiazolidinediones enhance glucose transport into cells, they increase amino acid uptake as well. These drugs induce a 4 to 5-fold increase in the rate of amino acid uptake for a given plasma level of insulin. That is impressive.
I'll be interested to hear your final opinion on the Supra product, and thanks for the compliment.
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