HELP I think I got gyno!!

[maxspeed96ct]

Im not sure, But I think i have gyno.
I thought it was just water weight or fat, ive been dieting like crazy and getin some good defianiton everywere (but my chest . I think Ive had the gyno for a while but its becoming more noticalble now that im cutting..


I never realy felt my nips before ,but if i pinch the hole nip i can feel something in there??

I have aifm left from when I took my cycle ( i was using 2 pumps a day)
Its been almost 3 months since my 8 week test E cycle at 500 mg per week.

Can Aifm help me or do I need to go see my doc?

Proviron, what are my options??

 

[Bigchest]

Did you ever have pain? Could still be fat. It takes some serious chest work outs involving weights and cable training along with cardio and diet to get my chest fat down. Post a pic if you can.

Do the AIFM and since you took only test, nolvadex will help too. Even if it's only fat, nolva will help.

 

[georgie24]

go see a doctor, stop self medicating if you suspect true gyno, i had gyno since puberty it went away while on certain steroids but came back full blown and worst post cycle.

masteron really flattend out my nips so you may want to try that?

 

[Advisor_x]

training bra??? get your PCT

 

[Primordial Performance]

Im not sure, But I think i have gyno.
I thought it was just water weight or fat, ive been dieting like crazy and getin some good defianiton everywere (but my chest . I think Ive had the gyno for a while but its becoming more noticalble now that im cutting..


I never realy felt my nips before ,but if i pinch the hole nip i can feel something in there??

I have aifm left from when I took my cycle ( i was using 2 pumps a day)
Its been almost 3 months since my 8 week test E cycle at 500 mg per week.

Can Aifm help me or do I need to go see my doc?

Proviron, what are my options??

Bro,

Are you on any forskolin sups? Eating alot of soy? Taking any finestride, or propecia?

-Pp

 

[Anthony Starks]

go see a doctor

A doc isn't going to be able to do shit for you, but I agree with the stop self-medicating part. If you're not even sure if you have gyno its not bad enough that you would even want to think about surgery.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

hard tissue?
nipple puffyness?
PCT for your cycle?
when was last dose?
were you at high bodyfat before cycle?
Female fat pattern before cycle?
did you gain a lot of fat during the cycle?

AIFM will help though really need more information before giving a full reccomendation..

 

[sparetire]

what were you taking? test? deca? etc.. we need to know that also

 

[Brian123]

I think your best bet ( other than seeing a doctor etc ) would be Femara. Its a very powerful anti e that pretty much eliminates estrogen ( only very small amounts of estrogen would be circulating ) as opposed to blocking estrogen receptors.

 

[matty420]

femara is great shit.. but you have to be carefull with it, i've heard of a ton of people having bad reactions to it. i was reading something not too long ago where someone had their face, hands and feet swell up really bad from just one dose.. a few people replied saying they broke out in hives from it etc. however it is great. u only need one a day, and it all out blocks estrogen from being utilized within the body
take care bro -Matt

 

[maxspeed96ct]

I have always had a high BF % (about alil over 20 % ) , and i did put on some extra weight while on my cycle cause I basiclly pigged out and ate everything in sight.

My PCT was aifm and then 1 week after last injection clomid for 3 weeks.

The thing is my nipples were always alittle puffy. And I cant realy tell if its just bitch tits or gyno. Ive lost 7 pounds in the last 2 weeks while on trex and yoshi es and they im really startin to notice my boobies.

There is alittle bit of hard tissue in there if i grab it from the top and the bottom and sort of pinch.

What are some of the best chest workouts? decline? cables?

Im gona look in to femara and I think i might just use the aifm I have left.

 

[Bigchest]

My nipps get lightly puffy too when my bodyfat is high. I've been wondering for the last 3 years if I have gyno or not. I have only been working out moderately for the last 3 years. In the last month, I started to hit the gym hardcore and nipples are tight and my chest is looking very good. So it was just fat for me.

So hit that chest hardcore. Decline work outs seems to be the one that gets rid of that stubborn lower chest fat. Clean food is must as well. It would be wise to jump on the Aromatase inhibitors and nolvadex at 10-20 mgs a day, just to be safe.

 

[sparetire]

hey , the most i was at was about 20% at one point in my life and I lost the weight down to about 6% in 6 months. Started cycles, did all the right pcts and ended up with gyno anyways from a bad bout with tren. After seeing a surgeon, he informed me that my "big chest" look was mostly gyno from puberty and when I was a kid, I was the skinniest guy around with about 5% bf or less! i was dam skinny. No matter how hard I worked out, I always looked big around the chest area. It was only until I got the small lumps behind my nips that I realized it after seeing him. Now I'm on the road to recovery from gyno surgery/lipo. The sad fact of the matter is that no matter how hard a person works out or supps they take, if they have that layer of fat on their chest, it might not ever go away unless u get surgery. you could try running the ai's, but depending on how much bf you had on your chest compaired to how much you have now, could be a while before your chest looks normal. You're skin has to shrink to it's new size and that can take a while.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I have always had a high BF % (about alil over 20 % ) , and i did put on some extra weight while on my cycle cause I basiclly pigged out and ate everything in sight.

My PCT was aifm and then 1 week after last injection clomid for 3 weeks.

The thing is my nipples were always alittle puffy. And I cant realy tell if its just bitch tits or gyno. Ive lost 7 pounds in the last 2 weeks while on trex and yoshi es and they im really startin to notice my boobies.

There is alittle bit of hard tissue in there if i grab it from the top and the bottom and sort of pinch.

What are some of the best chest workouts? decline? cables?

Im gona look in to femara and I think i might just use the aifm I have left.

run the AIFM 1-2 pumps per day. you can apply a small amount directly to nipples as well (there is anecdotal evidence that this has effect).

since puffyness is an issue you may want to get bromocriptine(IAS) or cabergoline (aurapharm) tablets.

note- stop fiddling with nipples, such can stimulate prolactin release and tissue growth.

 

[maxspeed96ct]

Man this is really bothering me , cant stop thinking about it....



Does anyone know if health insurance covers the surgery?

or what i can say or do to make them cover it?

 

[mr.nitro]

gyno is usually a hard lump, not soft and fatty.

ive got gyno on my right side, which is weird to me, why not both?

 

[NJjuice22]

 

[georgie24]

i dont really think you have true gyno, thats just my guess

 

[macrophage69alpha]

gyno is usually a hard lump, not soft and fatty.

ive got gyno on my right side, which is weird to me, why not both?

actually androgenic and estrogenic effects are often side dominent.


eg one side of your body will generally be hairer than the other as well. One side more vascular. etc....

 

[Anthony Starks]

There is alittle bit of hard tissue in there if i grab it from the top and the bottom and sort of pinch.

I'm not sure what Georgie24 is basing his opinions on, but that sounds exactly like gyno. The surgery is not going to be covered by insurance from everything I've heard no matter what you say to the doc. Plus, the nipple never looks right after the surgery. You're just kind of fucked bro.

 

[sparetire]

I'm not sure what Georgie24 is basing his opinions on, but that sounds exactly like gyno. The surgery is not going to be covered by insurance from everything I've heard no matter what you say to the doc. Plus, the nipple never looks right after the surgery. You're just kind of fucked bro.

Really? You might want to listen up then! My gyno surgery with LIPO was covered by INS!!! 5500$ all covered! I payed about 75$ co-pay and 25% of the hospital bed , 285$ .. and wah-lah.

First: get bc/bs PPO.
Second: Find a plastic surgeon who is on the Bc/Bs doctor list.
Thirdly: Tell him that you had it since puberty and it hasn't been that much of a problem until you lost weight recently and it started hurting. My doc asked me how much weight that I had lost and I told him about 30 pounds.

You might want to make sure that you can get the funds if bc/bs doesn't pay for it, but, they paid for it in my case. I have heard plenty of others here on this board who has bc/bs PPO - which either paid partially for the surgery or the full thing. It's worth a shot anyhow..

 

[macrophage69alpha]

chemical reduction should be the first line of attack with any form of gyno (be it hard tissue, ductal expansion, pectoral feminization or pseudogyncomastia), though some cases may require surgery.

the insurance issue is mixed and will depend on both diagnosis and carrier.

 

[maxspeed96ct]

I started spraying aifm (gona try 2 pumps a day). And my friend has some nolvadex he never used and can spare so im gona try a very small dosage of that. how long should i try it out for , 3-4 weeks at 10mg a day?

I could have had this for years, throughout high school I was about 225-240lbs at my worst , at 5-10. So i figured I just had fat boobies

Now im 5-11 190lbs, losing the fat everywere ,getting some good definition everywere but in my chest area ,as I been training hard for the past 3 years its now becoming more noticable.


As for the insurance, i hope im coverd if I have to take taht road, hopefully not.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

are you using yohimburn on your chest? this should help with the "fat" part.

and if you have fat "boobies" that means that estrogen and possibly prolactin levels have been generally high for a while (estrogenic fat pattern).

higher bodyfat generally means higher natural aromatase production (fat is a producer of aromatase). give AIFM and yohimburn some time to reduce the problem before even considering surgery. keeping in mind that it took time for this problem to develop.

it seems like you mainly have fat and some puffyness, with only a small amount of hard tissue (which is good).

 

[maxspeed96ct]

are you using yohimburn on your chest? this should help with the "fat" part.

and if you have fat "boobies" that means that estrogen and possibly prolactin levels have been generally high for a while (estrogenic fat pattern).

higher bodyfat generally means higher natural aromatase production (fat is a producer of aromatase). give AIFM and yohimburn some time to reduce the problem before even considering surgery. keeping in mind that it took time for this problem to develop.

it seems like you mainly have fat and some puffyness, with only a small amount of hard tissue (which is good).

Since yesterday I stoped the yoshiburn, and started aifm.

I was planing on cycling them back and fourth every 2 weeks.

2 weeks of aifm only
next 2 weeks yes and trex only

Would that be ok?

I have faith in your products cause i noticed mid cycle when i started using the aifm me sex drive went crazier than it was on the test alone and it seemed to get rid of some of puffyness in my face ..

 

[holder]

Macro that is interesting about spraying the AIFM on your nips. Ive never heard that before. During a cycle if your nipples are getting sore do you recommend the same and if Im using 2 sprays 3times a day how many should I put on my nipples?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

use the AIFM the whole time (1-2 pumps per day)- cut back to 1 if you feel too dry (joint wise), and do light(1/4 pump per) PM application directly on nipples (before bed), clean site with witch hazel and rub in well. Use yohimburn prior to cardio/training. ideally, though you can just see what the AIFM does and then add yohimburn back in after a couple weeks (that is also a good course of action)

your AIFM dosing probably could have been higher on cycle and would have been better to use an AI the entire cycle. if you have an estro fat pattern its good to err on the side of higher suppression, you can always back it off.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro that is interesting about spraying the AIFM on your nips. Ive never heard that before. During a cycle if your nipples are getting sore do you recommend the same and if Im using 2 sprays 3times a day how many should I put on my nipples?

1/4 pump per nipple. clean site with witch hazel, rub in well.

all the info is anecdotal (user reports), though since there is some local affect its theoretically sound.

 

[Anthony Starks]

note- stop fiddling with nipples, such can stimulate prolactin release and tissue growth.

Macro, do you have link to research on that (tissue growth from touching)? I've never seen any before so I always thought it was sort of an old wives tale type thing, but I'd love to learn something new. Thanks for the help, always appreciated.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Really? You might want to listen up then! My gyno surgery with LIPO was covered by INS!!! 5500$ all covered! I payed about 75$ co-pay and 25% of the hospital bed , 285$ .. and wah-lah.

Congratulations on being the exception to the rule bro, seriously. I fucking hate ins companies and I hope you soaked them for every penny, but the fact is (again, so I've heard) that most people get denied.

 

[sparetire]

Congratulations on being the exception to the rule bro, seriously. I fucking hate ins companies and I hope you soaked them for every penny, but the fact is (again, so I've heard) that most people get denied.

hehe..thanks..and yes i did soak em.. but seriously, i have heard atleast 8-10 people on this board state that their bc/bs ppo covered it. I think only one guy reported that it covered the removal of the gyno but not the lipo. if anything, switch to bc/bs and try..you ain't got nuttin to lose as they say..

 

[Anthony Starks]

Macro, do you have link to research on that (tissue growth from touching)? I've never seen any before so I always thought it was sort of an old wives tale type thing, but I'd love to learn something new. Thanks for the help, always appreciated.

Bump

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there is a lot of research on nipple stimulation (mainly suckling) on the release of prolactin. there really is not any on steroid users, though anecdotal reports indicate that nipple stimulation consistently makes the lactation and puffness issues worse.