heavy pct needed with test only?

[Essie]

Like it has been said already ... test IS suppressive ... very much so. think about it ... you add exogenous test into your body and the values rise a lot. Tour body recognizes this high values of the hormone in your body and figures 'hey, I need to do something here ... this is way too high' and starts by stopping to produce the hormone by itself. However, back at the ranch, you are still pumping it full of exogenous test, so a counter for test needs to be produced ... estrogen. Also, due to intricate chenical processes in your body, some of the test also aromatizes and so on and so on. You get the picture, right? Following putting your body through all of this, I would strongly suggest that you consider PCT ... and my PCT remains similiar irrespective of what cycle you were on ... I do not have a mild pct for a test only cycle and a stronger pct for a test+ other compounds cycle ... pct is pct and needs to there to help your body recover from the rollercoaster ride you had it on. :-D

 

[Cali72]

Actually they do, but not in the sense of rebooting test production. Both help with solidifying your gains made during the cycle, which is a pretty important aspect of PCT in my personal opinion.

So then how do they help in solidifying gains? When your test levels are in the toilet, you're going to lose gains period and creatine and keto burn won't do a thing to solidify those gains. You want to get those test levels back to normal ASAP to help in keeping gains and creatine won't do a damn thing for that purpose.

 

[Essie]

Actually they do, but not in the sense of rebooting test production. Both help with solidifying your gains made during the cycle, which is a pretty important aspect of PCT in my personal opinion.

I disagree ... actually. They are good in having in any part of your training, on cycle, off cycle, pct ... wherever, but they will not do jack to assist you during pct. Think about it ... what is the MAIN reason for PCT? Majority of ppl say that it is to retain your gains, but in actual fact it is primarily to assist in the restoration of your HPTA ... to balance the hormone levels in your body. A direct advantage of balancing the hormones is that you get to retain most of your gains.

I can see where you are coming from with having those substances in the mix, but like I said, it does jack for assisting you during PCT in the sense of PCT.

 

[Jbranken]

Creatine and keto burn have nothing to do with PCT. This can be confusing to the OP.

Keep it simple, you can't go wrong with the UNLEASHED/POST CYCLE stack followed by BRIDGE.

??? Keto burn has anti cortisol properties. This with the addition of creatine would help maintain gains from a cycle in pct. But as I mentioned, they are options, not necessities

 

[Jbranken]

I disagree ... actually. They are good in having in any part of your training, on cycle, off cycle, pct ... wherever, but they will not do jack to assist you during pct. Think about it ... what is the MAIN reason for PCT? Majority of ppl say that it is to retain your gains, but in actual fact it is primarily to assist in the restoration of your HPTA ... to balance the hormone levels in your body. A direct advantage of balancing the hormones is that you get to retain most of your gains.

I can see where you are coming from with having those substances in the mix, but like I said, it does jack for assisting you during PCT in the sense of PCT.

Everyone is fully aware that the main goal of pct is to bring hormone levels back to par. There's no argument here. But I'm also extremely focused on keep my strength and gains made on cycle. Clomid will stimulate LH and FSH, so I guess that's enough? Thats kind of where your argument is going. We see newbs here every day that have 4-6 cycles under their belts but still can't break simple weight and strength barriers bc they aren't keeping gains with oldschool serm pct protocols. I think it's time they try something new and these products are working great for me In pct. I stand by my advice on this.

 

[RickRock13]

I don't believe you should ever cycle off of creatine, so that should be in there on cycle and off regardless. Despite that, it's well known that cortisol rises in PCT, so adding something in there like Keto Burn to control it is a VERY GOOD idea. You don't want high cortisol levels when trying to recover. It is a catabolic hormone so if those levels are up it can contribute to a loss of lean mass and gain of bodyfat.

 

[Cali72]

I don't believe you should ever cycle off of creatine, so that should be in there on cycle and off regardless. Despite that, it's well known that cortisol rises in PCT, so adding something in there like Keto Burn to control it is a VERY GOOD idea. You don't want high cortisol levels when trying to recover. It is a catabolic hormone so if those levels are up it can contribute to a loss of lean mass and gain of bodyfat.

A moderate to high dose of vitamin c should help with controlling cortisol levels. Regardless of whether I'm in pct, on cycle or off I generally dose 6000mg of vitamin c every day and seems to be working well.

 

[Nelson Montana]

??? Keto burn has anti cortisol properties. This with the addition of creatine would help maintain gains from a cycle in pct. But as I mentioned, they are options, not necessities

If that's the case, you can say that DOZENS of supplements are valuable when recovering, but they have nothing to do with HPTA recovery. Actually, post PCT there's nothing better you can take than BRIDGE and GEAR.

It's funny that people think testosterone isn't that suppresive. It's the MOST suppressive compound. Other steroids may wreak havoc on libido but nothing will suppress more than testosterone.

 

[notjake11]

??? Keto burn has anti cortisol properties. This with the addition of creatine would help maintain gains from a cycle in pct. But as I mentioned, they are options, not necessities

This. Pct is a very catabolic state and helping reduce cortisol is a huge benefit. However this is something that should be added to things lime unleashed/postcycle/daa etc, not as a reolacement.

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[Jbranken]

This. Pct is a very catabolic state and helping reduce cortisol is a huge benefit. However this is something that should be added to things lime unleashed/postcycle/daa etc, not as a reolacement.

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I agree. Unleashed/post cycle are great products that work but they're out of stock as far as I can see. I suggested methyl EAA/test infusion because of this. Not to mention methyl EAA does everything unleashed can and more. Theres much more to this supplements profile IMO