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bulldog 10 regarding pvc's you mention the problem may be in the electrical conducting system any idea what attributes to this problem and is there a way to fix it.i have a personal intrest in this subject and any info would be helpfull even karma?thanks
 
Not clear cut...but it might shed some light on the subject...I'll look for more.


Title: Prospective echocardiographic assessment of androgenic-anabolic steroids effects on cardiac structure and function in strength athletes.
Author, Editor, Inventor: Hartgens-F {a}; Cheriex-E-C; Kuipers-H
Author Address: {a} University Hospital Maastricht and Sports Medicine Center Maastricht, 6200 BC, PO Box 1146, Maastricht, Netherlands; E-Mail: [email protected], Netherlands
Source: International-Journal-of-Sports-Medicine. [print] July 2003 2003; 24 (5): 344-351.
Publication Year: 2003
Document Type: Article-
ISSN (International Standard Serial Number): 0172-4622
Language: English
Abstract: Since the abuse of androgenic-anabolic steroids (AAS) has been associated with the occurrence of serious cardiovascular disease in young athletes, we performed two studies to investigate the effects of short-term AAS administration on heart structure and function in experienced male strength athletes, with special reference to dose and duration of drug abuse. In Study 1 the effects of AAS were assessed in 17 experienced male strength athletes (age 31+-7 y) who self-administered AAS for 8 or 12-16 weeks and in 15 non-using strength athletes (age 33+-5 y) in a non-blinded design. In Study 2 the effects of administration of nandrolone decanoate (200 mg/wk i. m.) for eight weeks were investigated in 16 bodybuilders in a randomised double blind, placebo controlled design. In all subjects M-mode and two-dimensional Doppler-echocardiography were performed at baseline and after 8 weeks AAS administration. In the athletes of Study 1 who used AAS for 12-16 weeks a third echocardiogram was also made at the end of the AAS administration period. Echocardiographic examinations included the determination of the aortic diameter (AD), left atrium diameter (LA), left ventricular end diastolic diameter (LVEDD), interventricular septum thickness (IVS), posterior wall end diastolic wall thickness (PWEDWT), left ventricular mass (LVM), left ventricular mass index (LVMI), ejection fraction (EF) and right ventricular diameter (RVD). For assessment of the diastolic function measurements of E and A peak velocities and calculation of E/A ratio were used. In addition, acceleration and deceleration times of the E-top (ATM and DT, respectively) were determined. For evaluation of factors associated with stroke volume the aorta peak flow (AV) and left ventricular ejection times (LVET) were determined. In Study I eight weeks AAS self-administration did not result in changes of blood pressure or cardiac size and function. Additionally, duration of AAS self-administration did not have any impact on these parameters. Study 2 revealed that eight weeks administration of nandrolone decanoate did not induce significant alterations in blood pressure and heart morphology and function. Short-term administration of AAS for periods up to 16 weeks did not lead to detectable echocardiographic alterations of heart morphology and systolic and diastolic function in experienced strength athletes. The administration regimen used nor the length of AAS abuse did influence the results. Moreover, it is concluded that echocardiographic evaluation may provide incomplete assessment of the actual cardiac condition in AAS users since it is not sensitive enough to detect alterations at the cellular level. Nevertheless, from the present study no conclusions can be drawn of the cardiotoxic effects of long term AAS abuse.
 
Bigmusclehead...what exactly is the problem...there are a few things that could cause PVC's...sometimes their not even bad. One of my TA's in my cardiopulmonary pathophysiology class actually had PVC's all the time, but it wasn't serious. I'll see if i can find a list of all the causes and things that may contribute to them.
 
Maybe it changes contractility?

Title: Effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids on weight-lifters' myocardium: An ultrasonic videodensitometric study.
Author, Editor, Inventor: Di-Bello-Vitantonio {a}; Giorgi-Davide; Bianchi-Massimiliano; Bertini-Alessio; Caputo-Maria-Teresa; Valenti-Giosue; Furioso-Orlando; Alessandri-Lorenzo; Paterni-Marco; Giusti-Costantino
Author Address: {a} Dipartimento di Medicina Interna, Universita' di Pisa, via Roma, 67, 56100, Pisa, Italy
Source: Medicine-and-Science-in-Sports-and-Exercise. April, 1999; 31 (4) 514-521.
Publication Year: 1999
Document Type: Article-
ISSN (International Standard Serial Number): 0195-9131
Language: English
Language of Summary: English
Abstract: Background: Recent bioptical data have shown that in weight-lifters (WL) under the pharmacological effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS), a focal increase in myocardial collagen content might occur as a reparative mechanism against a myocardial damage. Objective: The aim of this study was to investigate whether by using videodensitometry an early identification of the changes in myocardial texture is possible or a potential sign of myocardial damage, which can potentially occur in WL who have used AAS. Methods: Ten males WL (mean age: 32 +- 6 yr) who had regularly used AAS (users), were compared with 10 male WL at same training level (nonusers), who had not used any drugs and with 10 healthy sedentary controls (controls). The three groups were age and sex-matched. Echocardiographic parietal, septal thickness, and left ventricular mass (LVMbs) were evaluated. Left ventricular systolic and diastolic functions were evaluated with Doppler examination. Quantitative analysis of echocardiographic digitized data was carried out with a calibrated 256 gray level digitization system, in order to calculate the mid-septum and the mid-posterior mean gray level (MGL) and to derive the cyclic variation index (CVI), i.e., the percent MGL variation during cardiac cycle. Results: The weight and relative body mass index were significantly higher in WL (P < 0.001); also the diastolic blood pressure was slightly but significantly higher in users in comparison both with nonusers and controls (P < 0.01). Systolic and diastolic functional parameters overlapped in the three groups. LVMbs was significantly higher in users (145 +- 17) and in nonusers (122 +- 27) vs C (104 +- 18 gcntdotm-2) (P < 0.001). CVI at septum level showed significant differences: users: (-2.3 +- 31%) vs nonusers: (23 +- 8) and controls (29 +- 5) (P < 0.005); although no significant difference was found between nonusers and controls. CVI at posterior wall level followed a similar pattern. No relationship was found between CVI and LVMbs or wall thickness. Discussion: As brought out by videodensitometry, despite an increase in septal and parietal thickness and consequently in LVMbs, the physiological pressure overload that happens in WL during sport activities, in absence of any drugs, does not modify the myocardial ultrasonic texture. The abuse of AAS in WL, on the other hand, determines some alterations of the myocardial textural parameters. The real significance of these changes of myocardial texture detected with videodensitometry in WL who use anabolic-androgenic steroids, present also in the absence of other systolic and diastolic left ventricular functional indexes alterations, needs to be further explored with a larger population through the comparison with endobioptical data and with a follow-up study approach.
 
bigmusclehead...I can't find a specific list in my notes, books, etc...but here's what I remember. I took this class a few months ago...so bear with me, I probably won't get them all.

Problems in the heart:
-Acute MI (heart attack)
-ischemia (not enough oxygen to the heart...CAD)
-Cardiomyopathy
-Hypomagnesemia, hypercalcemia, and ESPECIALLY hypokalemia
-Mitral valve problems (I think stenosis, maybe regurgitation...not sure)
-Myocarditis (infection)
-Hypertrophic heart (is this why you asked?)

Medications (digoxin, sympathetic agonists, antidepressants)

Rec. drugs (cocaine, amphetamines, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine)

Does this help? I know there are more...but I just can't think of any...maybe they'll come to me.
 
bulldog 10 the reason is the pvc;s i have are frequent every day.cardiologist says i;m fine every one gets them.but i believe in the cause and affect reasoning,something has to be causing them or at least disturbing it.so what can a person do to stop pcv;s beta-blockers forget it there has got to be reason behind the hole condition.
 
bigmusclehead said:
bulldog 10 the reason is the pvc;s i have are frequent every day.cardiologist says i;m fine every one gets them.but i believe in the cause and affect reasoning,something has to be causing them or at least disturbing it.so what can a person do to stop pcv;s beta-blockers forget it there has got to be reason behind the hole condition.

You sound like you have the same thing my friend the TA had...he could actually make himself have a PVC.

One thing I can tell you is that they are usually not serious...UNLESS you get runs of them (called triplets, quadruplets, etc...) or you have more than about 10-15 per hour.

Have you had an EKG taken? If not, I'd get one done, because if they all look the same on the ECG, then you should be ok. If they're all of different morphology, then you could have a problem. If you haven't done so, and you're concerned, I'd head to the hospital and have an exercise stress test done. You might also be able to go to a local university and have it done for free...I know my school does it...I had to do a few of them for a class I took.

Let me know if you have any more questions...good luck otherwise...and let me know how it turns out if you have any tests done.
 
its a funny thing these pvc;s ,in the cardiologist room i had 3 he did ekg and stress test which he was quite impressed with got to a good level on the tread mill i guess he even listened closely with his stephiscope and he said all is good don't worry about them so i'm a little at a lost here.i heard magnesium supplements help because physical exersion depletes magnesium levels and i train pretty hard.so thats it thats all.
 
bigmusclehead said:
its a funny thing these pvc;s ,in the cardiologist room i had 3 he did ekg and stress test which he was quite impressed with got to a good level on the tread mill i guess he even listened closely with his stephiscope and he said all is good don't worry about them so i'm a little at a lost here.i heard magnesium supplements help because physical exersion depletes magnesium levels and i train pretty hard.so thats it thats all.

Do you remember if it was a Bruce Protocol test? Those fuckin tests are hard. You had 3 over the course of the whole test, or do you mean you had a triplet? I assume you didn't have a triplet or they doc wouldn't have said it was ok.

I'm sure it's nothing to worry about bro...but if you're still concerned, try asking your doctor for an echo or MRI of your heart in case you have any wall motion abnormalities...which I doubt you will have.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, especially if you're doctor said it was ok...Some things you can't trust a doctor's word, this is not one of them...doctors know these types of things very well...I didn't even go to med school and I've taken countless classes on this type of thing.
 
lyle alzado died of brain cancer. he admittedly publicly that steroid use cause his illness.

lyle went on dateline, or one of the magazine shows when he announced this. he had recently made a return to pro football at age 40. he was in AMAZING shape.

before his death lyle was also denying rumors of his sexual involvement with gay bodybuilders. this guy had an amazing life yet he died so young...
 
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