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Hcgenerate vs phytoserms 347
- Thread starter Laxfiend
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I've used both, and they both do a great job. From everything I've heard and read Phytoserms is excellent for boosting test. HCGenerate is also obviously great for that, but also gives the nice libido boost and overall great feeling.
Phytoserms may have a slight edge in test boosting and strength from its bulbine in it.
HCGenerate will win the war in overall feeling and definitely libido with its great list of ingredients
stopstalking
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Great idea, personally I love a stack with both.
Seattleborn206
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If u can find phytoserms let me know cuz I can't find it anywhere
totally agree with what rick said... phystoserms will produce more test but hcgenerate will give that libido the extra push your woman wants! I think for max benefits you stack them together and love the results!
Russianstar ran extensive tests and hcg gives you the biggest test boost, Phytoserms is good, but HCG its great, the fadogia extract is the best...
needtogetaas
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Phyto is designed for stand along test booster. Hcgenerate was designed for recovery or preventing shut down.. To different
Laxfiend
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Good to know! Thanks bro
thedarkhalf
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Stack them! Yeah buddy!!!
Both great products, but hcgenerate is my best seller.
Laxfiend
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Hm then I might stack hcgen with phyto... Or hcgen with DAA... Or phyto with DAA.... Too much good stuff! My balls will be grapefruit size lol
gymjunkie09
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lol...I love hcgenerate, havn't had the pleasure of trying phyto yet but I've heard great things about it. Hcgenerate is a must on cycle imo
When phytoserms and HCGenerate are stacked with Formastanozol it is an unmatched PCT. Excellent recovery, no estrogen rebound, and great libido!! 
Is there any possibility of Phytoserms coming back?
Bump! Have always wanted to try Phytoserms but has been out of stock for a long ass time! When is it making a come back Needto?
die faster
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how is phyto at preventing shut down?
hcgenerate earned its reputation you always hear about, but i feel phytoserms is a little underrated. phyto worked for me better than any other test booster and my balls actually grew while on it.
That is a good question. I can't recall hearing about anyone running it on cycle to prevent shutdown.
die faster
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me neither, i wanted to run it during my last beast cycle, but its been out of stock since last year. i asked need2's online help on the website, they said theyre not sure when they'll get it back but theyre working on it
Laxfiend
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Yes that's why I posted this thread. I was curious how good it is. It's just always out of stock so hardly anybody uses it lol
lol
Luckily for me I managed to stash a couple of bottles before it went OOS
Luckily for me I managed to stash a couple of bottles before it went OOS
No bragging Rick lol! Us less fortunate don't want to hear it...where do you live by the way?
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There are other bulbine products around but phyto was better, especialy double dosed... i miss it.
Yep....there are other bulbine products just like there are other fadogia products too....but they are not all created equally. The extracts in HCGenerate and phytoserms are the best grade and highest quality available
Where is my Phytoserms??? Any idea if and when this product will be coming back???
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It could be quite a while, if it even does come back. I'm sure it will be at RLS only if it does...
danoman27
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Why is that?
ChrisUlrich
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Wait... Phyto is done?
stopstalking
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I don think it's done.. Just could be a long delay until it does come back
I sure hope so...it is something I have wanted to try since last year
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Phyto will be coming back probably at some point, but I've heard no news or ETA of its return
When phytoserms and HCGenerate are stacked with Formastanozol it is an unmatched PCT. Excellent recovery, no estrogen rebound, and great libido!!
DEFINITELY doing this^^
Phyto is back, here's a link to my review:
Phytoserms-347 Testosterone Booster with 347% Surge, Decimates Estrogen, Unrivaled Pro-Sexual Effects | Bodybuilding News EliteFitness.com
But definitely don't stack them!! Didn't you read about what happened to me??
How George Spellwin got a boner that wouldn't go away! | Bodybuilding News EliteFitness.com
Phytoserms-347 Testosterone Booster with 347% Surge, Decimates Estrogen, Unrivaled Pro-Sexual Effects | Bodybuilding News EliteFitness.com
But definitely don't stack them!! Didn't you read about what happened to me??
How George Spellwin got a boner that wouldn't go away! | Bodybuilding News EliteFitness.com
Damn that's amazing news! I've been waiting to see this very post for a while now.
Thanks for the update, George.
Headholio
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That product is supposed to have the same ingredient bulbine natalensis PE as Phytoserms. But the new phytoserms also has Fadogia agrestis ( but is a lot more expensive!)
needtogetaas
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The new phytoserm-347 not only has every last thing the orginal formula has but now it also has Our Fadogia which is the only one I know of that is stem extract only. The exact same thing used in the studies. Not the whole plant which is what others use. In fact it comes from the same place as the fadogia used in the study too.
Now The final price is not 147 or what ever and you guys know damn well I would never let you pay full price. I got more then a couple different kinds of deals I can get you guys on this product and any others selling at ruthless. You all should know better. We always take care of the elite fitness members. Contact me and I can drop the price big time .. I know off the top of the head I can drop 50 bucks off the price or i can give you buy 2 get one free.. Just pm me and I will take care of you with a discount.. This product is more then worth it too. Way more then worth it.. The formula was awesome before and now I perfected it..
Now The final price is not 147 or what ever and you guys know damn well I would never let you pay full price. I got more then a couple different kinds of deals I can get you guys on this product and any others selling at ruthless. You all should know better. We always take care of the elite fitness members. Contact me and I can drop the price big time .. I know off the top of the head I can drop 50 bucks off the price or i can give you buy 2 get one free.. Just pm me and I will take care of you with a discount.. This product is more then worth it too. Way more then worth it.. The formula was awesome before and now I perfected it..
pump daddy 1
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Barlowesherbalelixirs has it for an insane price! I havent used there bulbine but ive used alot of there herbals with great sucess!
needtogetaas
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Not really when the original price was around 70 something and we also ship the order for free too. My friend no one will ever twist your arm and force you to buy a thing around here. No one will ever force you to agree on price of products ether. However If you try and tell me its not worth the price that I will fight you on. Its worth every penny and then some and if you ever buy a bottle use it and think I am wrong I will gladly give you a 100% refund for it.
Yes the added fadogia will raise lh and fsh which in tern will help bulbine raise test levels in a synergistic way. The 3,4-dvil will then insure this test is converted to free test and ya we have blood test to prove the original version works as well as test proving the worth of fadogia stem extract. Like every formula I personally design you can bet your butt its going to be talked about for years to come when peeps start taking it..
I have heard it all my friend. I have heard every argument in the world about the price of products i design. Guess what the arguments never end in? " I took the product and still felt it was not worth it"
The very small fraction of people that could say this walk away with a refund at worst.. So To be honest I think we are all done discussing price now.
Pm sent needto.
Beast641
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Not really when the original price was around 70 something and we also ship the order for free too. My friend no one will ever twist your arm and force you to buy a thing around here. No one will ever force you to agree on price of products ether. However If you try and tell me its not worth the price that I will fight you on. Its worth every penny and then some and if you ever buy a bottle use it and think I am wrong I will gladly give you a 100% refund for it.
Yes the added fadogia will raise lh and fsh which in tern will help bulbine raise test levels in a synergistic way. The 3,4-dvil will then insure this test is converted to free test and ya we have blood test to prove the original version works as well as test proving the worth of fadogia stem extract. Like every formula I personally design you can bet your butt its going to be talked about for years to come when peeps start taking it..
I have heard it all my friend. I have heard every argument in the world about the price of products i design. Guess what the arguments never end in? " I took the product and still felt it was not worth it"
The very small fraction of people that could say this walk away with a refund at worst.. So To be honest I think we are all done discussing price now.
I never said it wasn't worth the money? So why are you getting so defensive? Lol all i said was its still a little pricy for a test booster. Im not claiming it doesn't work either. Cause im sure it dose. I was just asking a question.
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It's a natural test booster, so it would do you no good on a cycle of AAS. Use it for PCT or by itself in between cycles.
needtogetaas
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I would not say it would do nothing but you make a great point. Hcgenerate is designed for on cycle use and phytoserm-347 is ( as I have always said) much better for off cycle use. Ether during pct or as stand alone it beets out hcgenerate for a natural test booster.
So really they are two totally different products that have no reason to compete with each other for any reason. Two different products used for two different reasons.
noodles1010
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I would not say it would do nothing but you make a great point. Hcgenerate is designed for on cycle use and phytoserm-347 is ( as I have always said) much better for off cycle use. Ether during pct or as stand alone it beets out hcgenerate for a natural test booster.
So really they are two totally different products that have no reason to compete with each other for any reason. Two different products used for two different reasons.
If you want to literally put it to the test (professional blood test) send me a bottle nate... I'll use myself as living proof and post my pre phyto and post phyto 347. It'd be perfect timing too because I literally just ran another test on Friday and am waiting for results.
At the end of the day, blood tests don't lie. Wtf do I have to loose? I'm still recovering anyway.
Running unleashed daa and hcgenerate now to try and boost levels... Test Was at 260 last time (it was 203 before that and was running hcgenerate and aromasin for 4 weeks, 60pt climb in 4 weeks not bad) and should be at 500 (considered normal for my age) and like I said just ran another one after a month of running that and waiting for results.
Let me know. I'll try it if U wanna shut all the doubters up. If it truly does work than you cant put a price on that IMO
Headholio
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I would not say it would do nothing but you make a great point. Hcgenerate is designed for on cycle use and phytoserm-347 is ( as I have always said) much better for off cycle use. Ether during pct or as stand alone it beets out hcgenerate for a natural test booster.
So really they are two totally different products that have no reason to compete with each other for any reason. Two different products used for two different reasons.
Is that just the way they are marketed, or is there logic for using them that way? It seems to me that they both have ingredients to either raise test or bind to SHBG to increase free test. Both have Fadogia, divanilliltetrahydrofuran, and zinc. Phyto has the bulbine, but Hcgen has longjack and fenugreek.
It looks to me like they are, in general, the same kind of supplement, and either one would be used for the same goals, whether PCT, natural test boosting, or on cycle support.
I've always seen them used that way, hcgenerate on cycle to keep from getting shut all the way down and phytoserms-347 in pct to get your natural production back up again and above normal. Also don't quote me but needto can confirm this but I think phytoserm has twice the ingredients in it that hcgenerate has in it.
Texas Monster
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This is a great product!!!!!! Got me feeling good even after the heaviest of Cycles 
needtogetaas
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you can google phytoserm blood test and or phytoserm-347 blood test. There is blood test already and these are with the old formula aka minus the fadogia..
needtogetaas
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hcgenerate has triple the amount of fadogia
- Need To Build Muscle Inc. Official Blog and its cheaper so its not only practical its more economical for on cycle use to help prevent shut down.
It is the bulbine specifically the prolenses extract that we use for the phyto that makes it a much more powerful test booster and this is twice as expensive to make. Yes Dvil is great for both on and off cycle use. Having more free test before during and after a cycle being a good thing is a given.
Marketing lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I design products its got nothing to do with marketing. Everything to do with filling the needs of the people. I can understand why you may think what you think though...
Headholio
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hcgenerate has triple the amount of fadogia
- Need To Build Muscle Inc. Official Blog and its cheaper so its not only practical its more economical for on cycle use to help prevent shut down.
It is the bulbine specifically the prolenses extract that we use for the phyto that makes it a much more powerful test booster and this is twice as expensive to make. Yes Dvil is great for both on and off cycle use. Having more free test before during and after a cycle being a good thing is a given.
Marketing lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I design products its got nothing to do with marketing. Everything to do with filling the needs of the people. I can understand why you may think what you think though...
Cool man I just wanted to know your logic behind it thanks for the response!
needtogetaas
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Any time
Sounds like a great stack. I'm going to be using both for the first time in a couple of months. PCTs are starting to be almost as fun as the cycle itselfI would not say it would do nothing but you make a great point. Hcgenerate is designed for on cycle use and phytoserm-347 is ( as I have always said) much better for off cycle use. Ether during pct or as stand alone it beets out hcgenerate for a natural test booster.
So really they are two totally different products that have no reason to compete with each other for any reason. Two different products used for two different reasons.
noodles1010
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During pct Can you replace unleashed/ post cycle combo with phytoserms347?
noodles1010
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Bump
thedarkhalf
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I don't think I would replace one with the other - I'd stack them both for maximum benefit
thedarkhalf
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Haha glad to hear it. I've ran it at 5 caps before and loved it. I've been stock piling it for a minute now. Got about 4 bottles of it. Going to run it at 10/day during my next PCT
mich29
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noodles1010
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Can you run phytoserms instead of unleashed/post cycle combo and get the same or better results considering it boosts Lh levels, keeps estrogen in check (aside from what else we are running In Pct) boosts testosterone, and boosts it a lot at that. This being taken into consideration, also consider the clomid, daa powerchews, and forma stanzol all being added in pct. would this, could this work instead or is there still too much missing from the pct without the unleashed/post cycle????
Texas Monster
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For optimal use I would run the pct like this
Week 1-4
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+unleashed
DAA
Week 5-8
Forma
Phytoserms 347
DAA
Bridge
needtogetaas
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Thanks......... And trust me Phytoserm-347 is of the same caliber. Any company I take part in designs products to get a job done and what ever that job is the products get it done period!! And better then any others,.,,
noodles1010
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The problem is Nate, there is no unleashed to be found anywhere.... That's a bad ass pct tho. I like it
needtogetaas
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I have beg borrowed and stolen to get what little unleashed I have gottne bro... Protein factory has got to shit man the whole operation has turned into a joke IMO.. I truly Hate saying it but They have gotten so bad to the point of now making me look bad.. I order unleashed and post cycle by the truck load and often I am told they are out, it shipped when it did not, Im sent dozens to hundreds of units with no label on them making me have to wait to get my own, to Yes it shipped when it never did...
The FDA came in and caused some problems for PF and ever since that day its been a shit show and it takes almost a act of god to get products on time or at anytime from them. Same thing with my protein company...........
For both companies though... They both have a saving grace. I cant get bad ass protein anywhere else. I can not get unleashed anywhere else.... Mark my words though my friends. There will come a day when I am manufacturing both my self and when that day comes no one will wait ever again..
noodles1010
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I have beg borrowed and stolen to get what little unleashed I have gottne bro... Protein factory has got to shit man the whole operation has turned into a joke IMO.. I truly Hate saying it but They have gotten so bad to the point of now making me look bad.. I order unleashed and post cycle by the truck load and often I am told they are out, it shipped when it did not, Im sent dozens to hundreds of units with no label on them making me have to wait to get my own, to Yes it shipped when it never did...
The FDA came in and caused some problems for PF and ever since that day its been a shit show and it takes almost a act of god to get products on time or at anytime from them. Same thing with my protein company...........
For both companies though... They both have a saving grace. I cant get bad ass protein anywhere else. I can not get unleashed anywhere else.... Mark my words though my friends. There will come a day when I am manufacturing both my self and when that day comes no one will wait ever again..
Nah doesn't make u look bad at all. I think everyone knows its protein factory.
You've always come through in the past bro, I'm sure you will again. It's hard to operate a company waiting on other people and working to their time schedules rather than your own.
Project X 24
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Nate,
Any chance when you get a free min which I know you have very few could you shoot me a pm with the discount code you talk about on page 5 of this thread about taking 50.00 of the top of the new phyto.
Thanks as always for the help.
Any chance when you get a free min which I know you have very few could you shoot me a pm with the discount code you talk about on page 5 of this thread about taking 50.00 of the top of the new phyto.
Thanks as always for the help.
NEEDTO51 for $50.00 off anything
NEEDTO34 buy 2 get 1 free phytoserm 347
NEEDTO24 buy 2 get 1 free transaderm.
