I think winny is just bad news as a longterm option. to get hard and vascular for a show, it's a very good option, but longterm I just don't see it. My elbows and knees got so goddamn sore after 4 weeks I had to d/c. You look great, but feel bad. Boldenone was/is great stuff. cheap, plentiful, mild. I eased in .5 mg of arimidex after a while and stayed hard as fucking nails throughout.