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GYNO Help!!!!

Im starting monday mate as im away at the weekend so monday im smashing it hard iv also got warrior blaze to run along side letro as its got mood boosting ingredients and can help with fat loss so please take a look at my post in the gyno section I will save adex for my next cycle and after iv tapperd off letro ill run nolva for 4 weeks

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Im starting monday mate as im away at the weekend so monday im smashing it hard iv also got warrior blaze to run along side letro as its got mood boosting ingredients and can help with fat loss so please take a look at my post in the gyno section I will save adex for my next cycle and after iv tapperd off letro ill run nolva for 4 weeks

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Keep us updated. Sounds like a solid protocol you have goin here
 
quick update im stil tapering off the letro and on the arimidex but the lump doesent seem to be getting smaller now its shrunk down to a pea size but its not shifting now do you reckon that pea size lump will stay ?
 
quick update
off the ketro now and on adex and prami
was wondering does adex effect muscle growth and strenght like letro does ???
 
I have done some reading on this and adex can affect muscle growth and strength not as much as letro but I dont see a problem with this as muscle and strength can allways be regained

The main thing is to eliminate gyno once this is achieved you can work on regaining what you have lost
I have read that adex on cycle can affect strength and muscle gains but not to a great extent at the end of the day everybody reacts differently to medications

I hope this information helps and sets ur mind at ease

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yeah but once youv been trying to get rid of gyno for 2months and constantly going gym and getting weaker really gets to ya
im just goin to go through this last box of adex and taper off and whatevers left il live with but hopefully it will go away conpletely
 
still at it lol this is taking forever its gone all soft again but i dont think its shifting maybe this is the most it will go with medications
 
If the tissue is soft there still a good chance you can remove it could the last bit be body fat if it could be add a fat burner to help with this if its not fat maybe come off adex tapper slowly and let ur body regain its self after a few months maybe run letro agein and see if you can beat this once and for all uv been on for a while now and made very good progress

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its got to be the gyno because sometimes when i forget to take the tablet it goes all hard and a few days on the tabs and it goes soft again buy yeah this is my last box of arimidex i will taper off with this and see how it goes
 
quick update
the lumps still the size of a small soft pea and i was wondering whats the best way to taper off arimidex
im taking 1 mg of adex ed and have been for over 6 weeks now
any suggestions as im dreding the rebound
 
Id take half a pill for a week then quarter for a week then 1 quarter eod for a week

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i think il take 3/4 of a tab ed for a 5 days then half a tab for 5 daya then 1/4 a tab for 5 days at which point il throw in nolva at 40mg for 5 days 20mg for 5 days then 10 mg for a week and come off
what do you think?
 
I have taken my 1st dose today 1.25 mg I have been givin some blue d bol pills would I be able to add this in with the letro as the letro would counter the sides of d bol im doing my research atm but would like some input on here

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Ah I figured since iv only had half a pill of letro I could add a low dose along side letro iv read.of ppl having success with getting rid of gyno while on cycle while using other compounds and letro

iv got adex as well and nolva for after letro
So I could do a low dose of blue d.bols 20mg or so for a few weeks
Along with letro at 1.25 working up to 2.5 then tapper off letro and d bol into nolva at 20/20/10/10

Also letro would reduce water waight and estrogen related sides im also running a fat burner 2 but considering everything atm also wouldnt doing this benifit sex drive while on letro

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need advice
everytime i go gym and lift heavy i have a very bad head rush seems like loadsa blood is rushing in to my head reLly fast and its about to explode and after a bit of rest like 10 minutes it calms down but as soon as i start lifting i get a mild headache
i now about breathing properly while lifting so it cant be that
any 1 nw how to deal with this???
 
From what iv been reading if you are breathing properly and diet is ok it could be high blood pressure if this happends frequently id go to the docs and see what thay say

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iv took a day off the gym going back tomorrow will see what happens stil tapering off the adex 5th day at 3/4 of a pill dont feel any difference i really hope i dont get a rebound
being very carefull
 
quick update 5th day of tapering and not sure but i feel as the lump has got slightly bigger
is it wise to also throw in nolva with the adex if so at what dose
 
I would if I was you id run it now with ur adex at the standard pct recommendation 20/20/10/10 theres no need to tapper any lower on nolva run the nolva for a week with adex and slowly come off the adex and run nolva for an extra 3 weeks I hope this helps

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yeah thats what im going to do iv read thst nolva reduces the effects of adex but im going to give it a shot and see how it goes
il keep you updated
 
Crazy in my opinion, I wouldn't taper yet. I'd run Nolva 40/day until you feel it's working , before deciding to taper I'd hope to see the lump fully disappear. What is your diet and bf percentage like ?
This can aid you also or be a hinder if you aren't eating to lean out
 
quick update
second day on half a tab or adex and 20mg of nolva and so far so good its going well it gets a bit big n then goes small again throughout the day but its always soft so thats allright.
 
update
started taking 1/4 of a tab of adex and still taking 20mg nolva ed
iv noticed the lump keeps changing in size sometimes it gets a little bigger and at times it goes really really small but every morning when i wake up it remains the same size from when i started the taper
so far so good
 
quick update
on a quarter tab of adex with 20mg nolva its the third day today and lump in slowly starting to increase in size
any advice on how to get around this plz???
 
Im not sure mate maybe increase nolva and drop the adex ill do some research later

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Should have stayed on the letro. By the sounds of it to me, I'd say the lump is increasing and decreasing in size from water weight. Your chest
Probably is holding onto some water and fat. It's getting frustrating trying to beat this into your head, DROP YOUR BODY FAT and use letro and it should disappear. Period. Buy some dandelion root and potassium pills and shed some water,
Run some treadmill intervals , and eat cleaner. Unless you are 10% bf it's going
To be tough for you to tell when the lump is actually decreasing. It could even be pseudo gyno which is just fat deposits in the lower pec. Post a pic
 
im at 10% bf so i dont think its that as in quite clean
i took 40mg nolva yesterday and it really made a difference ,today the lump has gone small again so il just have to wait and see
 
btw iv tried letro and i got all the bad side effects but it didnt do nothing for gyno , for me the adex works
 
Yeah everyone reacts differently it seems. Nolva attaches right at the breast receptor so theoretically it should work well, if 40 made a difference then keep it there and see how it comes about. Keep us updated I'm interested to find out. Reason I mentioned the 10% is be sure I find my nipps get a little puffy when I get into the 12% range or higher. Chest stays flat no lumps appear either but nipps get like a puffier look to them. Nothing crazy though . I prefer to try and stay leaner and keep them nice and tight
 
the lump has gone abit bigger and nipples gone puffy again this is really frustrating i dont think itl go without surgery
 
Just a thought, but what might aggravate it again could be Estrogen rebound from dropping Letro and Adex, either of them is a suicidal AI, and Nolva won't reduce you Estro, it just blocks the receptors. Estrogen rebounds happen very easily especially with Letro (which is why you taper it down), and when considering the similarities between Adex and Letro (Letro is basically more potent version of Adex), and fact that Nolva doesn't really do anything to reduce Estrogen in your body, and in some cases it can actually increase E2. Nolva will also cause Estrogen rebound very easily, usually after ceasing the use, but when considering that you have tapered down AIs that you were taking might caused you to have Estrogen rebound while Nolva contributes to the scenario by raising your Estrogen, outcome being that your gyno gets aggravated again from the excessive amount of E2. Though this would mean that your E2 is so high that Nolva fails to "block" your Estrogen receptors from it.
Just a theory...
(I just woke up, so never mind about the irrationality, and spelling)
Possible solution could be switching from Adex to running a suicidal AI like Aromasin or Formestane, but Aromasin will be more convenient than Lentaron depot IM or generic version of it, I'm not talking about Forma Stanzol or other topical Formestane, since I don't think it would be powerful enough for this. As addition on top of other AI or when tapering other AIs down it would be great addition though.

So if you are not ready to go under a knife yet (I wouldn't give up now, since you got results), and don't want to begin another course with Letro right away, what I'm suggesting is this:
First off, raise your Adex dose back to where it was for a time being. Get some Aromasin, and once you have it start taking it right away @ 25 mg ED dose. It takes a week or two for Exemestane to reach peak concentration, so keep taking Adex the first week after you start Aromasin, before beginning to taper it down. Taper Adex down for few weeks, so Aromasin will be able to reach peak levels before you are completely off Adex.
You should also keep running Nolva until you see some results. When it's time to get off Nolva you can taper it down pretty fast (tapering is not even necessity, if dose is not very high when on Aromasin, but it won't hurt to do so), you just have to keep running Aromasin, and it will take care of E2 rebound. When you come off Aromasin it rarely causes a rebound (one of the reasons why I prefer to use it over Adex), especially when you taper it down. To prevent all possibility of E2 rebound you could also use Forma Stanzol here.

I would recommend that you run bloods to see if where the problem exactly is. Until then this is just a speculation.

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yeah that is a really good idea but my problem is im going on holiday soon and wont be able to keep it up there plus iv been on for ages i need to come off and give my self a break iv stopped taking the adex now and on tamoxifen 40mg ed
 
how long should i stay on the nolva for? im taking 40mg ed now and it did increase a little bit but its now got abit stable so i want to come off now
 
Tapper down off nolva over the next few weeks all should be good iv got a week left on letro so far so good lol

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