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Crazy23

Crazy23

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I've got gyno from a sus deca and dbol cycle
Sus 12 wks 500mg wkly
Deca 12 wks 500mg wkly
Dbol wks 1-6 50mg ed

Well a week after I finished my course my gyno flared up at first my nipples hurt so I threw in the nolva at 20mg ed bt it didn't stop it I think the nolva was fake
Now I have a lump in my right nipple it's grew to a size of a Big grape
I got some letro off a friend and been taking it for 12 days now but haven't seen any effect or side effect well I have got loss of sex drive but that's about it and just hot some real nolva should I throw that in aswell with the letro?
Any advice would be highly appreciated
 
The thing with Running nolva and letro together is nolva will weaken the effects of letro

Id run letro 1st until ur lump goes down tapper down off letro then use nolva to keep things stable

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Yeah but since I been taking the letro the lump has got bigger and at first it wasn't hurting but now it's really painful and nipples really puffy
If my letro is fake will the gyno keep growing?
 
Crazy23 said:
Yeah but since I been taking the letro the lump has got bigger and at first it wasn't hurting but now it's really painful and nipples really puffy
If my letro is fake will the gyno keep growing?
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Yes it will keep growing but not forever, but it isn't something to take lightly, one thing I suggest is go on a cut. Cutting bf reduces estrogen greatly. Deca also lingers for a long ass time. Pick up some vitamin b6 and run it at 600 Mgs split 3 times a day. 200 morning noon night . Or if you can find p5p that's even Better. Nolva reduces the effectiveness of letro or adex so using the 2 together can be counter productive, unless the letro is indeed fake then the nolva is better than nothing. People will say no nolva with deca or nolva is shit... But real world results from the people I have seen or delt with is that it does help. Even if there are better choices
 
Rust has givin you some solid advice ull no if letro is real it destroys ur sex drive but that will come back

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Yeah I'm taking vitamin b6 just got it yesterday and my sex drive has gone and I hav lost strength in the gym so I think the letro maybe real but under dosed
Have any of you come across letro from accord
 
Iv just googled it this is what you have

Letrozole by Accord Healthcare Inc.2.5mgEach yellow, round, biconvex, film-coated tablet, embossed with "LT" on one side and plain on the other side, contains letrozole 2.5mg.Nonmedicinal ingredients:cellulose compounds (microcrystalline cellulose and hypromellose), maize starch, iron oxide yellow, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, sodium starch glycolate, colloidal anhydrous silica, talc, and titanium dioxide.

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Crazy23 said:
I've got gyno from a sus deca and dbol cycle
Sus 12 wks 500mg wkly
Deca 12 wks 500mg wkly
Dbol wks 1-6 50mg ed

Well a week after I finished my course my gyno flared up at first my nipples hurt so I threw in the nolva at 20mg ed bt it didn't stop it I think the nolva was fake
Now I have a lump in my right nipple it's grew to a size of a Big grape
I got some letro off a friend and been taking it for 12 days now but haven't seen any effect or side effect well I have got loss of sex drive but that's about it and just hot some real nolva should I throw that in aswell with the letro?
Any advice would be highly appreciated
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Get yourself some legit letro from AG and here is a good anti-gynecomastia cycle (expect libido loss):

2.5mgs letrozole/ED
0.25mgs Dostinex/E2D-E3D
40mgs Nolvadex/ED
D-spark 1cap/ED
Daily Vitamin B6
Low-sodium diet + cardio (sprints)

*don't jump off the anti-gyno run after you have no more gynecomastia - you have to taper down slowly and run bloodwork to make sure you don't get an estrogenic rebound.
 
I phoned up accord and they confirmed that the letro is real and there tabs don't have LT on them there always plain
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
Get yourself some legit letro from AG and here is a good anti-gynecomastia cycle (expect libido loss):

2.5mgs letrozole/ED
0.25mgs Dostinex/E2D-E3D
40mgs Nolvadex/ED
D-spark 1cap/ED
Daily Vitamin B6
Low-sodium diet + cardio (sprints)

*don't jump off the anti-gyno run after you have no more gynecomastia - you have to taper down slowly and run bloodwork to make sure you don't get an estrogenic rebound.
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DAA can cause estrogen and progesterone spikes. Daa can be evil to some. The rest of the advice given is solid. Especially the sprints.
 
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WolfpackAlpha said:
Care to provide some blood work to support what you say my friend? ;) or is this 'your view'?
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http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...mance_bodybuilding_thibaudeau/daspartic_acid_

Personally I wasn't satisfied with dspark, for a while I liked it but after about a week of using it at 3 caps a day I noticed I was feeling soft and lethargic and holding more water. I dropped the spark and it went away. It's funny , I can run good doses of test without worry but any kind of natural test booster seems to have negative effects on me.
 
rustilldown said:
TESTOSTERONE NATION | D-Aspartic Acid - Page 1

Personally I wasn't satisfied with dspark, for a while I liked it but after about a week of using it at 3 caps a day I noticed I was feeling soft and lethargic and holding more water. I dropped the spark and it went away. It's funny , I can run good doses of test without worry but any kind of natural test booster seems to have negative effects on me.
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I checked the article, there isn't much more than a copy and paste job there - no real science or bloodwork. You clearly said "D-Spark can cause estrogen and progesterone spikes" (the product) - seems you're a bit confused on the formula, please re-check the formula of D-spark ;); it doesn't just have D-ASPARIC ACID, it also has Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione. Androsta would be the aromatase inhibitor in the formula.

In terms of your results, everyone is different so I can't comment on your situation, but hundreds of guys have given positive feedback on the product. I sent you a PM to check your order # to see what batch of D-spark you were sent. Maybe HCGenerate is the product for you and not D-spark. :)
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
I checked the article, there isn't much more than a copy and paste job there - no real science or bloodwork. You clearly said "D-Spark can cause estrogen and progesterone spikes" (the product) - seems you're a bit confused on the formula, please re-check the formula of D-spark ;); it doesn't just have D-ASPARIC ACID, it also has Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione. Androsta would be the aromatase inhibitor in the formula.

In terms of your results, everyone is different so I can't comment on your situation, but hundreds of guys have given positive feedback on the product. I sent you a PM to check your order # to see what batch of D-spark you were sent. Maybe HCGenerate is the product for you and not D-spark. :)
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Hey man, I didn't mean to bash d spark maybe I can rephrase that, I meant daa is what can cause increased estrogen. I may give dspark ago again easing into it 1 cap pre workout and slowly raise it to 2 and 3... Because I have a fair amount if dspark here lol is hate to see it go to waste Is prefer to give it a try. MHO poppers are the shit though :)
 
rustilldown said:
Hey man, I didn't mean to bash d spark maybe I can rephrase that, I meant daa is what can cause increased estrogen. I may give dspark ago again easing into it 1 cap pre workout and slowly raise it to 2 and 3... Because I have a fair amount if dspark here lol is hate to see it go to waste Is prefer to give it a try. MHO poppers are the shit though :)
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MHO with N2burn rocks.:p As for D-spark, the Androsta in it really is a killer AI, probably one of the best I've used. In time an androsta mix AI without DAA will be in the works.

Sent you back a PM my friend. please check :D
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
MHO with N2burn rocks.:p As for D-spark, the Androsta in it really is a killer AI, probably one of the best I've used. In time an androsta mix AI without DAA will be in the works.

Sent you back a PM my friend. please check :D
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I wonder if the bloating I experienced was more so because daa in general gives me the shits everytime I've tried it in any form
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
Get yourself some legit letro from AG and here is a good anti-gynecomastia cycle (expect libido loss):

2.5mgs letrozole/ED
0.25mgs Dostinex/E2D-E3D
40mgs Nolvadex/ED
D-spark 1cap/ED
Daily Vitamin B6
Low-sodium diet + cardio (sprints)

*don't jump off the anti-gyno run after you have no more gynecomastia - you have to taper down slowly and run bloodwork to make sure you don't get an estrogenic rebound.
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Hi

You don't take all of that at the same time do you?

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Ok got some more letro and started the 5mg dose today should I split the dose as in 2.5mg in morning and evening or at once and yeah il keep you updated hopefully this works
 
Today's my 3rd day at this dose and 16th day on letro I felt the lump yesterday and it seemed to have got soft but in the morning it's hard again
Also does letro cause insomnia since I been on 5mg I find it very hard to sleep
 
I eat clean about 300g protein 400-450g carbs and 150g fat
Also taking 5mg letro split between morning and evening
200g b6 split twice daily morning and evening
Turmeric tabs 800mg split twice daily morning and evening
I train 6 days a week
 
Only in so far as the more you poke and prod it the more painful it will be........like anything really. I wouldnt think it will actually make it grow

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Dont play with your nipples. Believe it or not it does aggravate your condition and make it worse.
 
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Iv been on the letro for 17 days now and my sex drive is gone joints are clicking but gyno still there does this mean it's to late for the letro and surgery is the only option or should I wait and see if the letro will do anything
 
Crazy23 said:
Iv been on the letro for 17 days now and my sex drive is gone joints are clicking but gyno still there does this mean it's to late for the letro and surgery is the only option or should I wait and see if the letro will do anything
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Lower your protein to0. Too much protein means extra stress on kidneys and liver and poorer estrogen removal by the body. Unless your on cycle you don't need that much.
 
Don't you think at 17 days I should have seen a reduction in the lump iv been told to throw in some nolva
 
Crazy23 said:
Don't you think at 17 days I should have seen a reduction in the lump iv been told to throw in some nolva
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Yes to I should have but it sounds to me like you are eating alot of calories aswell and carbs. Carbs = water weight. So it could also be contributing to your gyno. You need to cut bf down so you can see what's really going on
 
As I ran deca I been advised to get some prami to run along with the letro
What dose should I run this
 
I would really prefer Caber over Prami, it gives most people pretty nasty sides. Anyway, if I remember right dosing is same with both, but if you use Prami you should work your way up from 0,25 or even lower to avoid sides. With Caber you can start right off with 0,5 mgs at three or two days.

You should be able to find detailed dosing protocol for both by using search feature.
 
Quick update done 3 weeks o letro and on the 21st day of letro at 5mg ed I also added 1mg ed of arimidex and on the 23rd day FINALLY I see some results the lump is getting smaller its got smaller and softer from a big grape to a bean size hopefully it fully goes away
Il keep u updated
 
Crazy23 said:
Quick update done 3 weeks o letro and on the 21st day of letro at 5mg ed I also added 1mg ed of arimidex and on the 23rd day FINALLY I see some results the lump is getting smaller its got smaller and softer from a big grape to a bean size hopefully it fully goes away
Il keep u updated
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Letro sounds bunk
 
Letro sounds bunk because it took 3 weeks to work ? How is the letro bunk when the lump is reducing in size?
 
rustilldown said:
You just added adex and now it's going down . 5 Mgs letro should have you feeling very uncomfortable
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Agreed, I personally can't imagine going that high with Letro, I really felt like shit on 0.5 mgs of it, with the 10 times higher dose you are on, you should feel absolutely devastated... It really sounds like Adex kicked in and put that gyno down. Progress anyway!

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ultimate x said:
I could do with bit of help on mine lads

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Post something detailed, and people will help with out a doubt.

We need to know at least: your stats, cycle history, detailed description of the cycle you got gyno from, time frame, and your cutrent training regimen. Those things come to mind first, but there might be still other things (it's morning here, so I'm still half a sleep).
More details you will provide, more easier it will be for us to help you out in the right way.

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Do you really think the Arimidex is doing the job ? My sex drive is gone my joints hurt im all dryed up plus I'm even losing strength in the gym I get some really bad migraines as well doesn't that say that the letro is real it's by accord pharmacy has anyone any experience with this pharmacy?
 
Crazy23 said:
Do you really think the Arimidex is doing the job ? My sex drive is gone my joints hurt im all dryed up plus I'm even losing strength in the gym I get some really bad migraines as well doesn't that say that the letro is real it's by accord pharmacy has anyone any experience with this pharmacy?
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Sounds like Letro to me, but with your dose it should have worked a bit sooner at least... I don't know, it's just weird that when you add Adex gyno gets reduced, when you have already been running Letro so high and longtime. Maybe your Letro is not fake, but just under dosed. I have no personal experiences with Accord, but I know it has some good reviews, and is supposed to be very legit. Maybe even worth counter fitting...
Still, you are making progress so something is working there!

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Yeah I reckon it is very under dosed but yeah your right I see effect when I throw in the Adex which is also by accord but that seems more accurately dosed . Do you think by constantly touching it effects it ?
 
It might aggrate it somehow (this is really just broscience, but seems to be true), so try not to touch it constantly. I know it's hard, but check it just a few times a daily.
 
Crazy23 said:
Yeah I reckon it is very under dosed but yeah your right I see effect when I throw in the Adex which is also by accord but that seems more accurately dosed . Do you think by constantly touching it effects it ?
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Check it once lightly every morning. Stressing and poking it is only going to make it worse..
 
Yeah I try checking it every other day but when I do check I noticed I be constantly at it through out the day but il leave it for a few days and let you know how's it going
 
Quick update checked it this morning and its getting soft and it seems as if its got layers and its peeling off slowly
 
Any more progress mate im getting pharma grade letro and adax to see if this will work for me

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ultimate x said:
Any more progress mate im getting pharma grade letro and adax to see if this will work for me

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No reason to run two AIs at the same time, when tapering down Letro adding another AI is recommended to prevent estrogen rebound, but don't start you anti-gyno run with both. You should be fine with running just Letro, especially since it's pharma grade, save Adex and keep it on hand.
Adding something else could be beneficial, but it depends on what kind of cycle did you get gyno from?

Other information will also help us to help you out, refer to my post answering you above.

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I was going to tapper down off letro and use adax to control rebound originally I chose nolva butni was told adax is better for cumming off letro iv done a few cycles but never had any problems with gyno my last cyle was pink dbol after pct the problems started Iv been to docs and hospital and thay say theres no lump but im sure there is nipple dont hurt for nothing and I was in serious pain sorry for hijacking thread

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ultimate x said:
I was going to tapper down off letro and use adax to control rebound originally I chose nolva butni was told adax is better for cumming off letro iv done a few cycles but never had any problems with gyno my last cyle was pink dbol after pct the problems started Iv been to docs and hospital and thay say theres no lump but im sure there is nipple dont hurt for nothing and I was in serious pain sorry for hijacking thread

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Doctors can be real morons sometimes, especially if problem involves AAS use in some way, they occasionally fail to understand it completely.
Did you run any 19nors (Tren, Deca) in your previous cycles? If so Prolactin might be a part of your problem. When you visited doctor did he get your blood work done? If not that really is one worthless doc... Blood work would pinpoint the root of your problem. If you had bloods done, were the Estradiol and Prolactin values within normal range?

You seem to have a good idea what you are doing, just hit the gyno hard with Letro and when you get results taper down the dose. I personally prefer Aromasin over Adex, but I see no problem with using Adex against Estrogen rebound. Since the gyno is apparently caused by Dbol you can also use Nolva at same time with Letro. It sucks for fighting the rebound but works well for gyno, (that's what it's made for), although not for Progesterone/Prolactin gyno caused by 19nors I mentioned above.

I hope that this threads OP doesn't mind that it's hijacked a bit to help out others as well, but I doubt it much :)
You could always start your own thread to keep a log of your progress, and for other members to chime in as well.

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Ya iv started my own with pics the doc was useless he sent me to hospital for a ultra sound on my chest but even thay didnt giv a shit I was 2 mins in and out thay put cold gel on my chest and it looked normel scanned my chest and he said theres nothing ur fine I was like bullshit theres pain there for a reason iv had no bloods done I even asked him to but thay just dnt care here

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Yeah mate the doctors talk shit sometimes my doc said its a hormonal imbalance and will go away with time
I've dropped the dose from 5mg of letro everyday to 2.5mg ed and also taking 2mg arimidex ed 1mg in the morning and 1 in the evening and its working great taking, lump taking its time but slowly getting smaller it was hard before its gone soft now and reducing in size slowly so hopefully it will be gone in the next 2 weeks then il taper off and the reason I'm using 2 ai's is because I don't know which ones doing the job and to be honest I rather not find out whatever it is its working so great il keep you updated
 
Can't wait for the gyno to go away really want to start a test tren dbol cycle but goin to be very carefull this time
 
Crazy23 said:
Can't wait for the gyno to go away really want to start a test tren dbol cycle but goin to be very carefull this time
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Lol your already planning your next run with 3 compounds that = a gyno cocktail ..test dbol and tren to someone who is gyno prone is most likely going to fuck you up mate.
 
So what would you recommend for a bulking cycle iv never took tren and really want to take it but truly I want to bulk up and was thinking maybe tren ace and Iranian test not sure about the dbol
 
Maybe 12 week cycle of Iranian test , deca and some dbol would I be ok to run that and not have gyno problems even tho the cycle I previously ran that gave me gyno was very similar to this
I just want to put on about 10 to 15 lbs
 
update: been a while iv been on the Letro and arimidex now gone down to half a tab of letro and half a tab of arimidex lumps gone down to a very small pea size it's been a few days and i haven't seen a difference so i think im going to taper off and going to have to live with it
it's way better than it was before but not completely gone
 
Good work mate as long as ur happy thats all that counts ill be doing my run soon still waiting on pharma grade letro and nolva also gettin aromasin for the rebound

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how long should i wait before i can start my next cycle?
thinking of Iranian test, deca and maybe dianabol
 
Im not 100% sure mate but if it was me id let my body recover before running another cycle play the next 1 safe take youre time tapering down off letro and adax as both can cause rebound focus on this for now theres plenty of time for a cycle

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If wait at least a month before you cycle. Give your body time to naturally restore estrogen levels to give you some balance. It's not good for your joints with little estrogen, so not a good idea to be lifting really heavy. Slowly taper so you don't get an estrogen rebound too quickly.
 
And this is why you properly use an AI on cycle and not "just when you notice symptoms".
 
yeah il wait then but if in cycling
Iranian test
deca
dbol kick start
in thinking of taking Nolva and adex throughout the cycle
what dose should i be taking then
 
Crazy23 said:
yeah il wait then but if in cycling
Iranian test
deca
dbol kick start
in thinking of taking Nolva and adex throughout the cycle
what dose should i be taking then
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Use more letro and maybe run a thermogenic to smash that gyno before it becomes permanent. Tapering off and starting another cycle is the worst thing you could do. I'd re evaluate If I were you. But hey it's your chest.
 
taking your advice and bought another box
starting to really hate the letro and adex starting to look quite thin maybe due to loss of water weight strength hasn't increased in over a month maybe gone abit weaker
can't wait for this s*** to go
 
So ur using letro and adax together and nolva to counter rebound ill be running mine soon waiting for delivery upload sum pics mate

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I do t think letro is doing much for me i think it's the adex that's doing the job so in going to taper off the letro and keep up the adex then when I taper off il be adding Nolva at 60mg Ed hopefully it doesent come back
 
Ill be following a similar run like urs dose will be lower coz I can get pharma grade leto / adax / nolva the 1 thing thats really hard to get is aromasin
So far uv done well do u have pics u can upload

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it's not that bad now you won't be able to see it the puffiness has really gone down the nipples gone almost back to normal now
the lumps gone to a small pea size from a big grape so its made a really big difference , hopefully it will go away completely
 
yeah it was going good but seems to have slowed down abit now just can't wait for it to go
mate just stick with it and be patient and you'll see results hope it works out fr ya
 
quick update
lump still decreasing in size but im tapering off the letro and staying in the arimidex
the more smaller the lump gets the slower the process becomes its really starting to get to me now as i feel all the weeks me going gym is for f*** all as im getting smaller and weaker
 
Crazy23 said:
quick update
lump still decreasing in size but im tapering off the letro and staying in the arimidex
the more smaller the lump gets the slower the process becomes its really starting to get to me now as i feel all the weeks me going gym is for f*** all as im getting smaller and weaker
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Don't taper off the letro until your lump is gone bro. You can get bigger and stronger again! :) crush that gyno and then taper off. You've come this far so finish strong:)
 
the reason im coming off the letro is because its not doing nothing while im on letro my sex drive came back my joints are okay it's not the letro that's doing it for me its the adex that's why im staying on that
 
Crazy23 said:
the reason im coming off the letro is because its not doing nothing while im on letro my sex drive came back my joints are okay it's not the letro that's doing it for me its the adex that's why im staying on that
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Oh well in that case yeah no point in taking more drugs than needed!
 
I could do with some help with mine iv got both anastazole and letrozole both from accord

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mine was from accord aswell the arimidex is great not sure Abou the letro but hey everybody's body reacts differently so get on it mate
 
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