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I'm always craving Sarmssearch
Mmm!! All this talk is making me crave sarmssearch!
I'm always craving Sarmssearch
GW501516...post your experience (SARMS1)
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Agent Yolked
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Just received mine a few days ago. Now waiting on unique's S-4 and Osta to come in. Can't wait to try the GW from SS.
Just received mine a few days ago. Now waiting on unique's S-4 and Osta to come in. Can't wait to try the GW from SS.
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I like GW501516 pre-cardio at 20mg. A lot of people say to stack it with AICAR but the dosage needed is not feasible, a lot of missinformation out there. Take it on its own and save your money or spend the money you would have dropped on AICAR on something else.
I like GW501516 pre-cardio at 20mg. A lot of people say to stack it with AICAR but the dosage needed is not feasible, a lot of missinformation out there. Take it on its own and save your money or spend the money you would have dropped on AICAR on something else.
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gw is the one product that really stands out at SS, compared to other companies.. you gonna love it.You will notice a HUGE boost in endurance before anything else.
gw is the one product that really stands out at SS, compared to other companies.. you gonna love it.You will notice a HUGE boost in endurance before anything else.
elite7777
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I haven't but i am curious also. Pill form seems to be a much easier way to go. The liquid can be a PIA especially when traveling. I hope someone responds!
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UA_Iron
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GSK is not pursuing this drug due to issues during the initial testing... what makes anyone think someone would be pursuing it as a pill unless it was an UG lab?
GSK is not pursuing this drug due to issues during the initial testing... what makes anyone think someone would be pursuing it as a pill unless it was an UG lab?
Tonino Caricone
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There are news about the detection times of Osta and GW???
There are news about the detection times of Osta and GW???
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thanks for the update, i had no idea about this, living in the united states.
thanks for the update, i had no idea about this, living in the united states.
Tonino Caricone
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About GW...
"Anti-doping authorities [now] have a test for GW1516, which is relatively easy to find in urine with existing testing procedures, as it’s not a naturally occurring substance in the body. What’s more, clinical research shows that the drug is detectable as long as 40 days after a single dose."
Source:
cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/the-new-epo-gw1516-aicar-and-their-use-in-cycling/
Pointless.
About GW...
"Anti-doping authorities [now] have a test for GW1516, which is relatively easy to find in urine with existing testing procedures, as it’s not a naturally occurring substance in the body. What’s more, clinical research shows that the drug is detectable as long as 40 days after a single dose."
Source:
cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/the-new-epo-gw1516-aicar-and-their-use-in-cycling/
Pointless.
About GW...
"Anti-doping authorities [now] have a test for GW1516, which is relatively easy to find in urine with existing testing procedures, as it’s not a naturally occurring substance in the body. What’s more, clinical research shows that the drug is detectable as long as 40 days after a single dose."
Source:
cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/the-new-epo-gw1516-aicar-and-their-use-in-cycling/
Pointless.
Most people don't get tested for PEDs so its no concern
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Just started week 3 of a SARMS triple stack with GW501516 and the increased endurance has been great. I bike to-from work for cardio most of the time and I've always gone hard but now I keep trying to find longer ways to take as I feel I can just keep going and going. I did 10mg/day for the first 2 weeks now on 20mg/day. Only problem is it's getting harder to get this into Canada.
Just started week 3 of a SARMS triple stack with GW501516 and the increased endurance has been great. I bike to-from work for cardio most of the time and I've always gone hard but now I keep trying to find longer ways to take as I feel I can just keep going and going. I did 10mg/day for the first 2 weeks now on 20mg/day. Only problem is it's getting harder to get this into Canada.
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it will aid in fat loss and give you better workouts in the gym
it will aid in fat loss and give you better workouts in the gym
workhardplayharderr
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So I got my Gw 501516 two days ago from Unique.. Why is it a jelly like substance? is this normal... it freaks me out.. kind of like someone splooged in the bottle and shipped it to me as a gag gift.. :|
So I got my Gw 501516 two days ago from Unique.. Why is it a jelly like substance? is this normal... it freaks me out.. kind of like someone splooged in the bottle and shipped it to me as a gag gift.. :|
rutdipper
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All my GW has been like a cloudy liquid....maybe this has something to do with the increase in dosage? From 5mg to 20mg per mL
All my GW has been like a cloudy liquid....maybe this has something to do with the increase in dosage? From 5mg to 20mg per mL
workhardplayharderr
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Could it be the solvent? its seriously like sperm substance... hahaha... but really though..
Could it be the solvent? its seriously like sperm substance... hahaha... but really though..
All the sarmssearch GW I have used has been relatively clear and consistent
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I've been hearing the same thing about the consistency from Unique from everyone, so it isn't just you......although I'm not entirely sure why upping the mg/ml would make it thick and creamy like that. Sarmssearch GW has the same consistency and is a very non-viscous "thin" liquid, so not sure what the deal is there.
I've been hearing the same thing about the consistency from Unique from everyone, so it isn't just you......although I'm not entirely sure why upping the mg/ml would make it thick and creamy like that. Sarmssearch GW has the same consistency and is a very non-viscous "thin" liquid, so not sure what the deal is there.
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I haven't had a problem yet but I know they are cracking down on it more. Usually doesn't take too long to get here about a week.
I haven't had a problem yet but I know they are cracking down on it more. Usually doesn't take too long to get here about a week.
truckdaddy
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the GW I have from sarms search is in a clear glass bottle with no cloudiness at all.
Not dissing what you have, but it sounds like the GW you have has fallen out of suspension.
sarms search GW is clear and 20mgs per ML
the GW I have from sarms search is in a clear glass bottle with no cloudiness at all.
Not dissing what you have, but it sounds like the GW you have has fallen out of suspension.
sarms search GW is clear and 20mgs per ML
slyfury
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Is that possible? Would that have an effect on the strength of it or even make it unusable?
the GW I have from sarms search is in a clear glass bottle with no cloudiness at all.
Not dissing what you have, but it sounds like the GW you have has fallen out of suspension.
sarms search GW is clear and 20mgs per ML
Is that possible? Would that have an effect on the strength of it or even make it unusable?
elite7777
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truckdaddy
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truckdaddy
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The GW is fine. I had the same cloudy thick liquid in my batch. I ran it and it was good to go.
The GW is fine. I had the same cloudy thick liquid in my batch. I ran it and it was good to go.
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SS definitely ships to Canada. Not sure how long internationally but I usually get mine in the states within 3 days
SS definitely ships to Canada. Not sure how long internationally but I usually get mine in the states within 3 days
tjwillis47
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Anyone heard positive feed back from gwp version of this? Apparently I dropped the ball by not going ss
Anyone heard positive feed back from gwp version of this? Apparently I dropped the ball by not going ss
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I haven't used GWPs GW-50 but that's primarily because I wasn't impressed with their other SARMs. SS is definitely solid and Sarms1 (www.sarms1.com) has been getting rave reviews as well, so those two are safe bets
I haven't used GWPs GW-50 but that's primarily because I wasn't impressed with their other SARMs. SS is definitely solid and Sarms1 (www.sarms1.com) has been getting rave reviews as well, so those two are safe bets
tjwillis47
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Thx man. IM nearing the end of my first bottle and am thinking about bumping up to 15-20 mg instead of the 10 I've been running
Thx man. IM nearing the end of my first bottle and am thinking about bumping up to 15-20 mg instead of the 10 I've been running
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yea there are great sponsors here for sarms products.. i would say we have the best sarms sponsor on the internet but of course im probably a bit bias! lol..except unique, i was never really fond of them. i order 1 bulk order of osta from them and i had to file a credit card claim, it took so long to come! the osta seemed decent but i cant go threw nonsense like that.
the comment about unique above might piss some people off but i try to be as honest as i can with the public.
yea there are great sponsors here for sarms products.. i would say we have the best sarms sponsor on the internet but of course im probably a bit bias! lol..except unique, i was never really fond of them. i order 1 bulk order of osta from them and i had to file a credit card claim, it took so long to come! the osta seemed decent but i cant go threw nonsense like that.
the comment about unique above might piss some people off but i try to be as honest as i can with the public.
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dtemp93
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Hey guys, I've been running GW at 10mg/day for the past 2 weeks. My endurance is definitely up, I am able to keep going and going, and then take a short break, and never feel exhausted. It's awesome!
However, my main concerns lie with the PPAR delta agonism. I have read dozens of studies on the promotion of colorectal cancer growth due to the agonism. HOWEVER! the studies done with mice were genetically mutated to lack the APC gene, which in turn gives them FAP (a disorder where hundreds of colon polyps are caused to grow and has almost a 100% cancer risk).
To my understanding... the 501516 doubled the amount of already abnormal polyps due to the FAP disorder which affects about 1 in 7-22k people. Therefore, is it safe to say, that in human individuals WITHOUT the FAP disorder, should not have any issues with the minute dosages compared to the mice studies?
Also, the mice studies were run for 2 years as opposed to 2-8 week intervals. I am basically just trying to alleviated my own concerns and others'. Of course, if a person has a known hereditary disposition to FAP (it is dominant), then I would NOT even come near this drug! Because it was proven to potentiate the development of polyps.
All-in-all, GW is fantastic aside from the potential side affects; however, the side affects were so strongly displayed in the mice due to the abnormality in the genome. Somebody please correct me if any of my logic is incorrect, I just want to do the healthiest thing possible. And for those reasons, I will try to find out if my father has polyp issues and limit my runs to 2-3 weeks at a time.
best regards and appreciation
NOT TRYIGN TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE! I just havent seen these connections made previously.
Hey guys, I've been running GW at 10mg/day for the past 2 weeks. My endurance is definitely up, I am able to keep going and going, and then take a short break, and never feel exhausted. It's awesome!
However, my main concerns lie with the PPAR delta agonism. I have read dozens of studies on the promotion of colorectal cancer growth due to the agonism. HOWEVER! the studies done with mice were genetically mutated to lack the APC gene, which in turn gives them FAP (a disorder where hundreds of colon polyps are caused to grow and has almost a 100% cancer risk).
To my understanding... the 501516 doubled the amount of already abnormal polyps due to the FAP disorder which affects about 1 in 7-22k people. Therefore, is it safe to say, that in human individuals WITHOUT the FAP disorder, should not have any issues with the minute dosages compared to the mice studies?
Also, the mice studies were run for 2 years as opposed to 2-8 week intervals. I am basically just trying to alleviated my own concerns and others'. Of course, if a person has a known hereditary disposition to FAP (it is dominant), then I would NOT even come near this drug! Because it was proven to potentiate the development of polyps.
All-in-all, GW is fantastic aside from the potential side affects; however, the side affects were so strongly displayed in the mice due to the abnormality in the genome. Somebody please correct me if any of my logic is incorrect, I just want to do the healthiest thing possible. And for those reasons, I will try to find out if my father has polyp issues and limit my runs to 2-3 weeks at a time.
best regards and appreciation
NOT TRYIGN TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE! I just havent seen these connections made previously.
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i love gw and im not worried about cancer after the research i did.Draw your own conclussions, its your life and health, you should make these choices yourself
this has been discussed in detail 100 times on here, i dont think you will get much more added to it.Might want to do a search
i love gw and im not worried about cancer after the research i did.Draw your own conclussions, its your life and health, you should make these choices yourself
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seriously guys, this topic does not need to be gone over everyday does it? i spent all this time writing articles and making videos to fully educate everyone on things like this... it never fails that the same questions continuously comes up when all the information is just sitting here... its pretty frustrating...
READ AND WATCH THE VIDEO
GW-510516 Part 3 - YouTube
seriously guys, this topic does not need to be gone over everyday does it? i spent all this time writing articles and making videos to fully educate everyone on things like this... it never fails that the same questions continuously comes up when all the information is just sitting here... its pretty frustrating...
READ AND WATCH THE VIDEO
GW-510516 Part 3 - YouTube
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pizzikingo
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The topic will be always descussed: it's the anxiety/fear of the unknown. There are a lot of products which have similary effects like GW. Not that strong and probably not that safe, but you KNOW the side effects and you can plan and react if you must.
Taking GW is like Russian Roullete: the next diagnosis can be multi organ cancer or you will live another 40 years.
I red a lot of studies and i know: the mice took 5-40mg per kg for nearly two years. But what if a human takes 5-20mg per day? What it the individual cancer risk rise uf at 17%? And what if you ARE in these 17%?
I hope there will be further studies made the next time. GW has incredible interesting effects which has enourmous potential. Until then, everybod should make his/her own deciso.
We appreciate your commitment, Dylan. You explained the effects and side effects of GW very well (and also the SARMs). But the big unknown factor is the point with cancer potential. For example: the tumors of mice can't be transferred to humans. But nobody knows that - neither the scientists. The point is: until there is no study that confirms that probability of cancer in mice can't be compared with humans nobody knows the real bio-chemical process in our body.
The topic will be always descussed: it's the anxiety/fear of the unknown. There are a lot of products which have similary effects like GW. Not that strong and probably not that safe, but you KNOW the side effects and you can plan and react if you must.
Taking GW is like Russian Roullete: the next diagnosis can be multi organ cancer or you will live another 40 years.
I red a lot of studies and i know: the mice took 5-40mg per kg for nearly two years. But what if a human takes 5-20mg per day? What it the individual cancer risk rise uf at 17%? And what if you ARE in these 17%?
I hope there will be further studies made the next time. GW has incredible interesting effects which has enourmous potential. Until then, everybod should make his/her own deciso.
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Here's the thing, you won't find it. If you have 30+ lbs to lose, this enhancement drug isn't for you. Diet/cardio is the first step. It's designed to help conditioned athletes reach above and beyond normal conditioning. An aid in getting from 10% bodyfat to 7-8% can be very beneficial. Fat loss is a secondary benefit honestly. GW increases your endurance. This is why you may not find what you're looking for...
Now, if you're already doing tedious cardio and/or weight lifting every day and puting in the effort, GW may have potential to help you. Not saying you can't lose significant weight on it because you can, but only of you're puting forth the effort. Diet and cardio are really going to dictate the end result, GW is just the icing on the cake
Here's the thing, you won't find it. If you have 30+ lbs to lose, this enhancement drug isn't for you. Diet/cardio is the first step. It's designed to help conditioned athletes reach above and beyond normal conditioning. An aid in getting from 10% bodyfat to 7-8% can be very beneficial. Fat loss is a secondary benefit honestly. GW increases your endurance. This is why you may not find what you're looking for...
Now, if you're already doing tedious cardio and/or weight lifting every day and puting in the effort, GW may have potential to help you. Not saying you can't lose significant weight on it because you can, but only of you're puting forth the effort. Diet and cardio are really going to dictate the end result, GW is just the icing on the cake
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You're completely missing the point. The point is that you don't have to see studies if you use your brain. The dose that they used on mice is equal to a 200 lb male using something like 2000mg per day for over a year. Of course its going to give them fucking cancer.
You're completely missing the point. The point is that you don't have to see studies if you use your brain. The dose that they used on mice is equal to a 200 lb male using something like 2000mg per day for over a year. Of course its going to give them fucking cancer.
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if the question is do you have to be a certain bodyfat to benefit from gw the answer is no.With the added cardio endurance and ability to shift carb/protein burn to fat, it will benefit you at any bf% percentage, if it used correctly.
of course with a terrible diet and no training, dont expect much change.The harder you work, and the better you diet,the gw will benefit you even more and aid the process of body comp.
if the question is do you have to be a certain bodyfat to benefit from gw the answer is no.With the added cardio endurance and ability to shift carb/protein burn to fat, it will benefit you at any bf% percentage, if it used correctly.
of course with a terrible diet and no training, dont expect much change.The harder you work, and the better you diet,the gw will benefit you even more and aid the process of body comp.
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While that's true and I absolutely support GW being used in this way, it is also being researched as a potential aid in lessening obesity. So like you said, while it is certainly geared for elite athletes to break plateaus, fattys can use it with some nice effects too so long as they're working hard.
I must add that Sarms1's GW is above and beyond any I've ever used before, and trust me, I've been around the market. So if you're looking for a good, affordable carrier, then SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators is your place
While that's true and I absolutely support GW being used in this way, it is also being researched as a potential aid in lessening obesity. So like you said, while it is certainly geared for elite athletes to break plateaus, fattys can use it with some nice effects too so long as they're working hard.
I must add that Sarms1's GW is above and beyond any I've ever used before, and trust me, I've been around the market. So if you're looking for a good, affordable carrier, then SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators is your place
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Great video, it's a 4 part course.
GW-501516 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 2 - YouTube
GW-510516 Part 3 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 4 - YouTube
Great video, it's a 4 part course.
GW-501516 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 2 - YouTube
GW-510516 Part 3 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 4 - YouTube
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More people need to watch these before posting certain questions... I took a lot of extra time to get the proper information out there for everyone... GW is amazing and should be used and incorporated in every cycle...
Great video, it's a 4 part course.
GW-501516 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 2 - YouTube
GW-510516 Part 3 - YouTube
GW-501516 Part 4 - YouTube
More people need to watch these before posting certain questions... I took a lot of extra time to get the proper information out there for everyone... GW is amazing and should be used and incorporated in every cycle...
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Reminds me of those old marijuana studies in the 1960's that put masks on chimpanzees and pumped MJ smoke through a tube into the mask. They had the equivalent of 60 columbian joints pumped through in 5 minutes each day for 30 days and documented all the side effects to get the conclusion that MJ was bad. What really happened was they suffocated the monkeys and blamed it on the MJ killing brain cells. LOL
Reminds me of those old marijuana studies in the 1960's that put masks on chimpanzees and pumped MJ smoke through a tube into the mask. They had the equivalent of 60 columbian joints pumped through in 5 minutes each day for 30 days and documented all the side effects to get the conclusion that MJ was bad. What really happened was they suffocated the monkeys and blamed it on the MJ killing brain cells. LOL
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Science, bi*ch!
Haha first time I heard about these MJ studies
Science, bi*ch!
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Exactly! You just have to keep in mind that 1) every study gets its funding from somewhere or someone, and that entity has an agenda that they want the study to further and 2) tests done on new substances are NEVER held to one variable, even if they're structurally presented that way.
In these particular cases you have dose, length of time, genetics, SPECIES, etc, etc.....they really have little to no correlation to humans.
Exactly! You just have to keep in mind that 1) every study gets its funding from somewhere or someone, and that entity has an agenda that they want the study to further and 2) tests done on new substances are NEVER held to one variable, even if they're structurally presented that way.
In these particular cases you have dose, length of time, genetics, SPECIES, etc, etc.....they really have little to no correlation to humans.
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You're 110% on the money. These days 17 stats in USA have medical marijuana and 2 states have completely made it legal. The same goes for SARMS, they will eventually be very mainstream.
You're 110% on the money. These days 17 stats in USA have medical marijuana and 2 states have completely made it legal. The same goes for SARMS, they will eventually be very mainstream.
plxiZnoGouD
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I'am a cyclist looking for some advice.
Been reading lot about GW but there are people talking of Telmisartan, they say it's cheaper and less risk. Does anyone have experience with it? Does it have the same effect as GW and where can i buy it?
I'am a cyclist looking for some advice.
Been reading lot about GW but there are people talking of Telmisartan, they say it's cheaper and less risk. Does anyone have experience with it? Does it have the same effect as GW and where can i buy it?
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Ive never heard of it. GW works incredible, so I see no reason to use anything different
Ive never heard of it. GW works incredible, so I see no reason to use anything different
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Its actually quite dangerous and has A LOT of negative side effect possibilities... Side effects are similar to other angiotensin II receptor antagonists and include tachycardia and bradycardia (fast or slow heartbeat), hypotension (low blood pressure), edema (swelling of arms, legs, lips, tongue, or throat, the latter leading to breathing problems), and allergic reactions.
It also showed to cause many birth defects in women as well...
It is not even comparable to gw... It's main function is to treat hypertension...
GW is going to give you a far more competitive edge with far less side effect risks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telmisartan#cite_note-Drugs.com-3
Its actually quite dangerous and has A LOT of negative side effect possibilities... Side effects are similar to other angiotensin II receptor antagonists and include tachycardia and bradycardia (fast or slow heartbeat), hypotension (low blood pressure), edema (swelling of arms, legs, lips, tongue, or throat, the latter leading to breathing problems), and allergic reactions.
It also showed to cause many birth defects in women as well...
It is not even comparable to gw... It's main function is to treat hypertension...
GW is going to give you a far more competitive edge with far less side effect risks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telmisartan#cite_note-Drugs.com-3
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/sarms1-gw-50-log-1276713.html
^^ here is a log of a member here who was a sprint cyclist that was injured and is currently using GW to recover and get back in shape. The TL;DR is that his results are incredible, and he started at a higher BF%. If you're already low on BF and have high endurance then your results will be even better.
And Dylan is right on the money, GW is going to be your best bet.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/sarms1-gw-50-log-1276713.html
^^ here is a log of a member here who was a sprint cyclist that was injured and is currently using GW to recover and get back in shape. The TL;DR is that his results are incredible, and he started at a higher BF%. If you're already low on BF and have high endurance then your results will be even better.
And Dylan is right on the money, GW is going to be your best bet.
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GW is going to continue to build your VO2max and allow for such rapid increase in endurance and it will continue to show improvement as your cycle goes on... Its absolutely amazing... It has a place in every type of cycle...
GW is going to continue to build your VO2max and allow for such rapid increase in endurance and it will continue to show improvement as your cycle goes on... Its absolutely amazing... It has a place in every type of cycle...
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I noticed Cardarine (GW-501516) works better and better as it's used, especially after the first week or so.
I noticed Cardarine (GW-501516) works better and better as it's used, especially after the first week or so.
Tonino Caricone
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I have started with GW a few days ago. Noticeable effect on the endurance already after the first dose (5mg). I will increase the dose of 5-10mg per week for approx. 2 months. In the first half hour of the workout I feel my legs tired as if I had already done 4 hours, then this feeling ends and I can finish my workout without any feeling of fatigue. All cyclists (pros and masters) with whom I trust and who have made use of this substance, have confirmed this feeling.
The most important thing is to eat properly and thoroughly because we tend to do more than we're used to without this substance.
I have started with GW a few days ago. Noticeable effect on the endurance already after the first dose (5mg). I will increase the dose of 5-10mg per week for approx. 2 months. In the first half hour of the workout I feel my legs tired as if I had already done 4 hours, then this feeling ends and I can finish my workout without any feeling of fatigue. All cyclists (pros and masters) with whom I trust and who have made use of this substance, have confirmed this feeling.
The most important thing is to eat properly and thoroughly because we tend to do more than we're used to without this substance.
plxiZnoGouD
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Isn't gw detected for pros?
Isn't gw detected for pros?
MadCityMuscle13
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Yes, it is banned by WADA. Maybe Dylan can shed some light on detection times, etc? I would think you can use it to train and see drastic improvements, yet probably clear your system out and maintain a lot of gains, like many do with AAS. Ultimately it is a tool to assist your training and if you are training hard I'm sure it will be of great benefit even after you are off.
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Yes, it is banned by WADA. Maybe Dylan can shed some light on detection times, etc? I would think you can use it to train and see drastic improvements, yet probably clear your system out and maintain a lot of gains, like many do with AAS. Ultimately it is a tool to assist your training and if you are training hard I'm sure it will be of great benefit even after you are off.
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Good point. Caloric demands increase as energy output increases
Good point. Caloric demands increase as energy output increases
Tonino Caricone
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It is detectable from the beginning of 2013, pros that are on ADAMs protocol now can't use GW. Other cyclist can cycle GW paying attention to the detection time. The problem is that the detection time is very variable, depending on the length of the cycle and on the daily doses. I'm going to use it only at the beginning of the season and I'll stop more than a month before the first race. We have to remember that when use banned substance, even if we do everithing carefully, there are also risks, it's a part of the game.
It is detectable from the beginning of 2013, pros that are on ADAMs protocol now can't use GW. Other cyclist can cycle GW paying attention to the detection time. The problem is that the detection time is very variable, depending on the length of the cycle and on the daily doses. I'm going to use it only at the beginning of the season and I'll stop more than a month before the first race. We have to remember that when use banned substance, even if we do everithing carefully, there are also risks, it's a part of the game.
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great information here for the people that race!
great information here for the people that race!
Re: GW501516...post your experience
Cardarine (GW-501516) detection is a lot different than steroids. I believe we had a discussion about this and it was akin to certain anabolics.
Cardarine (GW-501516) detection is a lot different than steroids. I believe we had a discussion about this and it was akin to certain anabolics.
Re: GW501516...post your experience
That's a good way to put it. It definitely has a place anywhere - it has so many great properties that it can be placed anywhere in any cycle. I'll definitely be putting some sarms1 GW somewhere in all of my future cycles and PCTs
That's a good way to put it. It definitely has a place anywhere - it has so many great properties that it can be placed anywhere in any cycle. I'll definitely be putting some sarms1 GW somewhere in all of my future cycles and PCTs
Re: GW501516...post your experience
gw for its use in every cycle and off cylce period for training and cardio endurance (not to mention fat loss and anti catabolic effects) and osta for its amazing abilities in pct are the 2 best products by far sold by sarms companies for me..But thats the beauty of it, we all have different opinions on it but lets all agree sarms products are amazing.
best quality sarms products are sold at sarms1.
gw for its use in every cycle and off cylce period for training and cardio endurance (not to mention fat loss and anti catabolic effects) and osta for its amazing abilities in pct are the 2 best products by far sold by sarms companies for me..But thats the beauty of it, we all have different opinions on it but lets all agree sarms products are amazing.
best quality sarms products are sold at sarms1.
Shrine1
The Resistance
Re: GW501516...post your experience
^^^all of this.. you truly can incorporate Gw and ostarine In every cycle in some way. But awesome PCT products.
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^^^all of this.. you truly can incorporate Gw and ostarine In every cycle in some way. But awesome PCT products.
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Itsadeepburn
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Re: GW501516...post your experience
When dosing GW (Sarms1 brand) am I correct when I take .5ml in the AM and .5ml again at night for a total of 1ml or 20mg? It just seems like such a small amount. I guess I'm used to choking down large preworkout drinks with huge scoops of powder.
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When dosing GW (Sarms1 brand) am I correct when I take .5ml in the AM and .5ml again at night for a total of 1ml or 20mg? It just seems like such a small amount. I guess I'm used to choking down large preworkout drinks with huge scoops of powder.
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Shrine1
The Resistance
Re: GW501516...post your experience
It's funny you say that cause I kinda remember thinking the same thing.. But that is correct.
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It's funny you say that cause I kinda remember thinking the same thing.. But that is correct.
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Re: GW501516...post your experience
It's quality not quantity.
1ml = 20mgs, so 20mgs/day = 1ml/day.
It's quality not quantity.
1ml = 20mgs, so 20mgs/day = 1ml/day.
ha1a1
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Re: GW501516...post your experience
Sarms1 GW is working great here. Training is easier and fat is disolving. I have cut up before doing cardio on pwo and usually have a predictable pattern from where the fat is used... but this is different. The fat is being used simultaneously from the mid section as from chest/legs. Admittedly I am doing more cycling this time round as my source of cardio instead of just running and interval circuits... so that may be playing a role in the fat usage pattern.
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Sarms1 GW is working great here. Training is easier and fat is disolving. I have cut up before doing cardio on pwo and usually have a predictable pattern from where the fat is used... but this is different. The fat is being used simultaneously from the mid section as from chest/legs. Admittedly I am doing more cycling this time round as my source of cardio instead of just running and interval circuits... so that may be playing a role in the fat usage pattern.
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I've been on Sarms 1 GW for about 5 weeks now and love it! My cardio and endurance has been through the roof plus it has helped lean me out with my diet. After hearing all the hype about Sarms I figured I would give it a run and I am impressed with the results. I will be using the triple stack on the next run for sure!
travishibachi
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Re: GW501516...post your experience
Good choice, bro. The triple stack is legit especially from sarms1.
Good choice, bro. The triple stack is legit especially from sarms1.
Re: GW501516...post your experience
Here is another way GW is benefiting you that your overlooking... Your able to do more cycling because of the performance enhancing abilities it provides, especially the huge endurance increase... It is simply the ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE ENHANCER...
Here is another way GW is benefiting you that your overlooking... Your able to do more cycling because of the performance enhancing abilities it provides, especially the huge endurance increase... It is simply the ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE ENHANCER...
Shrine1
The Resistance
Re: GW501516...post your experience
This is like some many other logs its ridiculous. Sarms1 is the best and if you havent dug into the other you will have to give them a go bro. LGD, Ostarine, S4 are all killer sarms and special in their own way. Glad it went well
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This is like some many other logs its ridiculous. Sarms1 is the best and if you havent dug into the other you will have to give them a go bro. LGD, Ostarine, S4 are all killer sarms and special in their own way. Glad it went well
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It really is, there's no question. Sarms1's quality is above and beyond anything I've ever used and I don't think anyone who has tried them could disagree.
As far as GW making you shit more, I haven't noticed any of that but anything is possible
It really is, there's no question. Sarms1's quality is above and beyond anything I've ever used and I don't think anyone who has tried them could disagree.
As far as GW making you shit more, I haven't noticed any of that but anything is possible
Re: GW501516...post your experience
Not for me but its still an amazing compound lol
Not for me but its still an amazing compound lol
Regarding the question about calorie burn while cycling decreasing while using GW, posted by ha1ha1, what are you using to measure this?
If you are using anything aside from a power meter, then the figure will be seriously skewed and will be under reporting the number of calories burnt while your are using GW.
The number of calories burnt while cycling in a given time period is a result of the number of watts produced over that time period. Same thing with a light bulb: a 100w light bulb that is in use for one hour uses more electricity than a 60w light bulb in use for one hour.
So if you want an accurate measure if the number of calories burnt, you have to measure power output. Power output while cycling can only be measured using a properly calibrated power meter like an SRM, powertap or the like. Outside of competitive cyclists, not many people own power meters as they are REALLY fucking expensive. An SRM, which is regarded as the gold standard in cycling power measurement will cost you about US$2500 for a base model.
Heart rate monitors, cycling computers and other devices that are used most commonly, calculate calories used by using a set of mathematical assumptions based on your heart rate and the user data that you enter into the device. These assumptions work for the average cyclist, but such approximations go out the window when you are doping or even when you are just really fit.
I did an experiment some time back when I was racing a lot: I wore a polar heart rate monitor and also ran my SRM for the same ride. The heart rate monitor grossly under reported the number of calories reported over the course of the 4 hour ride. I was pretty fit at the time I did this experiment. i had a resting heart rate of 30-35 bpm, I raced in elite and I was in the top 20 rankings for my country at that time. "Outliers" like super fit athletes or people using products like GW do not fit into the mathematical model behind the calorie calculations used by your average heart rate monitor or cycle computer. The reason for this is that when you are using or really fit, you are much more efficient. You are doing more work with less effort.
To continue with the light bulb analogy, by taking GW, you changed your cycling body from being an average joe 100w incandescent light bulb, to a more efficient 30w compact fluorescent bulb, BUT YOU PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT!
Basically when you are using GW, you are producing XXX watts with less effort than when you when you were not using GW. Lower effort is manifest by a lower heart rate, and this tricks your heart rate monitor or cycle computer into thinking your not working as hard and therefore not burning as many calories compared with when you were not on GW.
Your heart rate monitor or cycling computer is incorrect. If you are doing the same work, you are burning the same number of calories, by definition. Chances are, because you are on GW, you are working harder, producing more power and burning more calories, but you just don't feel it and your heart rate is lower than it would be without GW.
Hope this make sense. Sorry for the long post.
If you are using anything aside from a power meter, then the figure will be seriously skewed and will be under reporting the number of calories burnt while your are using GW.
The number of calories burnt while cycling in a given time period is a result of the number of watts produced over that time period. Same thing with a light bulb: a 100w light bulb that is in use for one hour uses more electricity than a 60w light bulb in use for one hour.
So if you want an accurate measure if the number of calories burnt, you have to measure power output. Power output while cycling can only be measured using a properly calibrated power meter like an SRM, powertap or the like. Outside of competitive cyclists, not many people own power meters as they are REALLY fucking expensive. An SRM, which is regarded as the gold standard in cycling power measurement will cost you about US$2500 for a base model.
Heart rate monitors, cycling computers and other devices that are used most commonly, calculate calories used by using a set of mathematical assumptions based on your heart rate and the user data that you enter into the device. These assumptions work for the average cyclist, but such approximations go out the window when you are doping or even when you are just really fit.
I did an experiment some time back when I was racing a lot: I wore a polar heart rate monitor and also ran my SRM for the same ride. The heart rate monitor grossly under reported the number of calories reported over the course of the 4 hour ride. I was pretty fit at the time I did this experiment. i had a resting heart rate of 30-35 bpm, I raced in elite and I was in the top 20 rankings for my country at that time. "Outliers" like super fit athletes or people using products like GW do not fit into the mathematical model behind the calorie calculations used by your average heart rate monitor or cycle computer. The reason for this is that when you are using or really fit, you are much more efficient. You are doing more work with less effort.
To continue with the light bulb analogy, by taking GW, you changed your cycling body from being an average joe 100w incandescent light bulb, to a more efficient 30w compact fluorescent bulb, BUT YOU PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT!
Basically when you are using GW, you are producing XXX watts with less effort than when you when you were not using GW. Lower effort is manifest by a lower heart rate, and this tricks your heart rate monitor or cycle computer into thinking your not working as hard and therefore not burning as many calories compared with when you were not on GW.
Your heart rate monitor or cycling computer is incorrect. If you are doing the same work, you are burning the same number of calories, by definition. Chances are, because you are on GW, you are working harder, producing more power and burning more calories, but you just don't feel it and your heart rate is lower than it would be without GW.
Hope this make sense. Sorry for the long post.
Tonino Caricone
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Right, but only if you talk about low intensity (Z2-Z3).
The real increase in performance (FTP - VO2max) occurs a few days after the end of the cycle with GW, not during.
Indeed, during the cycle, it is very likely to notice a decrease in power in the high zones (V02max - Neuromuscular power).
This is probably due to the stress associated with the metabolic changes caused by this substance.
IMHO.
The real increase in performance (FTP - VO2max) occurs a few days after the end of the cycle with GW, not during.
Indeed, during the cycle, it is very likely to notice a decrease in power in the high zones (V02max - Neuromuscular power).
This is probably due to the stress associated with the metabolic changes caused by this substance.
IMHO.
ha1a1
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Thanks for the explanation. I can see how the data would be wrong regarding power. My data is completely out at the moment as I have also given up all caffeine/pwo and stim. My heart rate is showing less and my performance has increased for high intensity work. For example with double unders I could previoisly string a maximum of 1 minute (100) together. With 4.5 weeks of GW and on the 3rd week of LG and 1 week of no pwo stims I am now stringing 1:15, which is about 125. I suspect the stim based pwo stifles performance because it raises heart rate prematurely, forcing me to hit the wall early.
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I found slower heart rates and much better performance with Cardarine (GW-501516). I tested this without PW stimulants.
great stuff and so true on gw.. i also work a very phyical job and i do phyical labor for hours at a time..which is cardio workout in its own right..I never feel tried afterwards and people on my job CANNOT keep up with me anymorei used to feel like laying down and sleeping when i was done.Now i feel like i can work a double shift, i have so much energy left..Sounds like an insane plug but its sooo true.
I've been reading through a large part of this thread but I see mixed opinions.
It's a fact that GW 50 enhances cardiac abilities, and because of that you are able to prolong your cardio.
But does GW 50 promote fat loss on its own? Would you burn extra calories without the extra cardio? (yes this is a hypothetic question)
It's a fact that GW 50 enhances cardiac abilities, and because of that you are able to prolong your cardio.
But does GW 50 promote fat loss on its own? Would you burn extra calories without the extra cardio? (yes this is a hypothetic question)
Shrine1
The Resistance
Yes... it will burn fat without a work load
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Reps For Jesus
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It shifts your body from burning glucose as fuel, from burning your bodies own fat.
^This
GW is a PPar modulator, and technically not a "SARM". The method of action by which it works in terms of fat loss, is its ability to force your body to burn fat for energy instead of muscle glycogen....hence resulting in body fat reduction.
How about the nutrition during (LGD and) GW? LGD needs lot of energy, but with too much carbohydrates the GW doesn't have anymore the fat-burning effect, does it? Or should a rat prioritize the power-effect of GW instead of dropping the BF while gaining lean mass?
I will soon write about my experience with GW
I will soon write about my experience with GW
How about the nutrition during (LGD and) GW? LGD needs lot of energy, but with too much carbohydrates the GW doesn't have anymore the fat-burning effect, does it? Or should a rat prioritize the power-effect of GW instead of dropping the BF while gaining lean mass?
I will soon write about my experience with GW
I would try to run a low-carb diet if you're cutting, doesn't matter if you're using cardarine (GW-501516) or not. As long as it's run correctly, you'll do well (refeeds etc)
Shrine1
The Resistance
You endurance should still be high.. remember you've worked hard to get where you at with your cardiovascular so you will still have a high level. it just wont be like youre in GW still
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Thanks mate, that makes sense, just thought I'd better check there wasn't some temporary horrible drop off when the run finishes - never used an endurance sup before!
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