Grandpa Cycle: Eq based

[thelion2005]

I've heard good things about Eq and, after reading a lot, have decided to use it in a cycle in a dominate position. It seems a smart product for the older male.

The cycle will be over 10 weeks and the stack will be:
- 300 mg p/w LSP Bold
- 150 mg p/w farmak test p
- 15 mg tbol p/d; 105 mg p/w
- 1.25 iu HGH eod
- 0.5 mg adex MWF

I'm at 210 and am looking for 215-220, which should be easily attained. I am very curious as to what composition changes I'll see and mood/libido changes. I'm not pushing the androgenic that much.

I did not like the traditional sides of a mass stack, especially the zits, the PSA jump, the cholesterol changes, increased BP and the impatience (border line aggression.).

Started Monday, March 19, 2007. Will report out periodically.

HRT on the shelf.

 

[mastropiece]

looks good lion I have used EQ in the past and got some striation and some stregnth. is the test prop?
what is the tbol I should know but I just can't think of it right now
I like the 10 weeks it takes me longer to "get going" on a cycle. 6-8 seems too short.
Mastro

 

[thelion2005]

looks good lion I have used EQ in the past and got some striation and some stregnth. is the test prop?
what is the tbol I should know but I just can't think of it right now
I like the 10 weeks it takes me longer to "get going" on a cycle. 6-8 seems too short.
Mastro

Test is Farmak Test p. It is great. Eg is LSP type.
tbol is turanabol from BD ... a kinder, gentler dbol.

It is reacting with my system now. BP up a bit and very horny. LOL
I have a new SO and she is going to be pleasantly surprised for the next 2-3 months. Then she'll steal my money and leave. LOL

Workout in the am Friday.

 

[mastropiece]

go man! go!

 

[rockabilly]

Lion, am also a 64 year old grandpa. I know you have done several cycles, how many pounds average have you been able to keep each time? My third cycle will be 500mg/wk. cyp. for 6-8 weeks. Will see if I can keep anything this time.

 

[thelion2005]

Lion, am also a 64 year old grandpa. I know you have done several cycles, how many pounds average have you been able to keep each time? My third cycle will be 500mg/wk. cyp. for 6-8 weeks. Will see if I can keep anything this time.

I keep 1/3 of my gains and have made steady progress raising my base weight from 185 to 207 over two years. I want 225.

During the cycle I make huge weight and strength gains like a lot of guys do. I have to watch for injuries because they obviosly bring progress to a halt.

 

[thelion2005]

First week behind me and there was a nice "flu" side I had to contend with. Body aches, grumpy, sweats ....

Body weight up 2 pounds and I can feel and see strength going up too.

Mood change is welcome. I have been feeling mellow the last two days.

I sleep like a rock. Can't recall dreams.

All in all, it is easy to see that this stack is much gentler on the systems. I'm going to tweak everything up 50 mg p/w and then just relax into a groove for 11 more weeks.

 

[tommyguns2]

Hey lion,

I'm on HRT at 200mg/wk test cyp, along with GH at 1IU/day. On Jan 1, I added EQ at 300mg/wk, and for 5-6 weeks felt no change (nothing negative, but no jump). EQ has an extremely long chain ester, and a relatively mild dose. At about 6 weeks, I upped my EQ to 450mg/wk, and added anavar at 50mg/day. Things then started to kick into gear. Strength increase and gained about 5 lbs. (was at 5'10" 230 @ 12% to about 235 @12%BF). Strength increase was good, but I think I got more from the var than the EQ. With EQ having the long ester you may wanna stay with the EQ for at least 12 weeks, and preferably 16.

With a test/EQ ratio at 1:1.5 my libido is fine, but not a horny lunatic. If you start to notice any sexual sides (decreased libido), you may want to alter your test/EQ ratio to closer to 1:1.

Right now you're seeing the test prop and tbol in action, I'll be curious to know whether your low dose EQ works for you.

First week behind me and there was a nice "flu" side I had to contend with. Body aches, grumpy, sweats ....

Body weight up 2 pounds and I can feel and see strength going up too.

Mood change is welcome. I have been feeling mellow the last two days.

I sleep like a rock. Can't recall dreams.

All in all, it is easy to see that this stack is much gentler on the systems. I'm going to tweak everything up 50 mg p/w and then just relax into a groove for 11 more weeks.

 

[thelion2005]

Hey lion,

I'm on HRT at 200mg/wk test cyp, along with GH at 1IU/day. On Jan 1, I added EQ at 300mg/wk, and for 5-6 weeks felt no change (nothing negative, but no jump). EQ has an extremely long chain ester, and a relatively mild dose. At about 6 weeks, I upped my EQ to 450mg/wk, and added anavar at 50mg/day. Things then started to kick into gear. Strength increase and gained about 5 lbs. (was at 5'10" 230 @ 12% to about 235 @12%BF). Strength increase was good, but I think I got more from the var than the EQ. With EQ having the long ester you may wanna stay with the EQ for at least 12 weeks, and preferably 16.

With a test/EQ ratio at 1:1.5 my libido is fine, but not a horny lunatic. If you start to notice any sexual sides (decreased libido), you may want to alter your test/EQ ratio to closer to 1:1.

Right now you're seeing the test prop and tbol in action, I'll be curious to know whether your low dose EQ works for you.

Good reply .. k to you.

Ana really works on me too. But cholesterol and bp and psa went crazy.

I'll run the eq longer as you said. I really hope this gives me what I am after with lower sides. I'll keep the Test p lower than the eq. I'm going to bump the tbol up 5 mg next week and hold at 20 mg perday. A few more weeks and then bump the test p and eq up a bit. Keep the grand weekly total at around 700.

This is pretty mild compared to test + nandro + dbol.

 

[thelion2005]

Tomorrow will be the beginning of my Fourth week of this stack. The main sides I can identify are achy joints and flu symptoms and poor appetite. These flu symptoms are going away and some acetaminophen helps with the joint pain. I eat 5 times a day and am getting plenty of protein. Big cravings for sugar junk.

Strength is now starting to slowly climb. Body weight went down and then came back up to 211. Odd.

The biggest difference I can feel with this stack is no BIG POW jump in power or size or mood. The lower andro of eq and t-bol are probably the reason. Any gains are slow and subtle. No big gain of bloat or water. Waist line is down a bit, even with the increased body weight. BP is comiong down from the 150 I hit on dbol and test. I want to see 125 while on this stack.

T-bol is much friendlier than dbol on my system and emotions. Less aggression and solid sleep. Dbol hits a lot harder.

Test p from Farmak and the LSP bold is great. Zero problems. Tbol is from BD and no problems.

I do miss the lessening of joint pain I experienced with deca. No "dick" problems with eq at all. Perhaps the test p is preventing that even though the dosage is less than the eq.

Weekly stack total has settled down to:
- 200 mg test p (50 eod)
- 500 mg eq (250 Sun and Thurs)
- 140 mg tbol ( 5mg X 4 ed)
- 1.25 iu HGH eod
- 0.5 a-dex MWF

I'll run this for a total of 12 weeks minimum. Have a feeling this will be a slow grind rather than a daily jump. I'm fighting for 1/8" gains rather than 1/2" jumps.

 

[thelion2005]

Monday April 16th begins Week 5. I an finally beginning to see some differences in body weight, amount lifted and size. This cycle is slow and there is a great temptation to up the dosages and/or frequency of injections to get that BANG that comes with test+deca+dbol.

Eq (LSP brand): 200 mg Sun PM and Thursday AM for a total of 400 mg p/w.
Test P (Farmak): 100 mg Sun/Thurs for a total of 200 mg p/w.
Tbol (BD): 30 mg p/d for a total of 210 mg p/w
AAS weekly total of 810 mg

HGH: 1 iu eod
a-dex: 0.5 mg Sun/Thurs

A few comments:
- Got just the hint of a hammy cramp last night. Got a cramp this morning when I was sitting up in one upper ab muscle. I was able to massage it away and it did HURT! This is my punishment for not upping my water.

- Picked up 2 pounds of body weight after seeing nothing for 6 days. I was delighted to see upper arms and calves come up. Great places to see that added bw.

- Don't dismiss tbol as weak. I can feel even a 5 mg increase in my system and emotions.

- I am having no injection site problems with the mix of eq and testp. Right cheek/left cheek with a 23g 1 1/2 ".

- Oily skin but no zits.

- No joint pain relief like deca.

- No "high" where you feel like an animal and throw the weights around. Sleepy a lot.

That's it for this report.

 

[mastropiece]

Thanks for the great info Lion. I need to know after a cycle like that, will you go back to hrt doses of test hgh? (you do the compounding cream right?)Will you do some hcg and clomid to recover your natural test?

I need to decide when I am off of this test,hgh,nan,var cycle to go back down to hrt doses of test 100 mg week or just stop the test and do some hcg and clomid for 6 weeks so that I don't fuck up my natural test production. I have been on test hrt dose for a year and a half now. I am 49. On this cycle I am doing 200 mg test and 200mg nandrolone twice a week.
any comments appreciated
Mastro

 

[SpyWizard]

I'll wade in, since i am a grandpa x2....

but i'm only 46.. i would suggest that you run the gh 2iu ed 5/2 off..

add some hcg 250iu eod and i'd have no complaints in regards to your cycle with your age.. and run the gh next time 2 months before you do the cycle, then continue for a total of 6 months.. recovery will be very easy..

congrats..

 

[Mr. MB]

On your next blood workup have them check your RBC. Something we cogers who "suppliment" must be aware of. Gotta watch mine like a hawk. My lady has had a stroke and we sure don't need two under same roof.

 

[thelion2005]

Thanks for the great info Lion. I need to know after a cycle like that, will you go back to hrt doses of test hgh? (you do the compounding cream right?)Will you do some hcg and clomid to recover your natural test?

I need to decide when I am off of this test,hgh,nan,var cycle to go back down to hrt doses of test 100 mg week or just stop the test and do some hcg and clomid for 6 weeks so that I don't fuck up my natural test production. I have been on test hrt dose for a year and a half now. I am 49. On this cycle I am doing 200 mg test and 200mg nandrolone twice a week.
any comments appreciated
Mastro

I bounce back and forth ... HRT for 8-12 weeks, cycle for 8-12 weeks. I need at least 75 mg of test p/w to be within range of just that measure.

 

[thelion2005]

Tomorrow is beginning of week 6. I feel a lot better ... sides are really down. This is the most total aas p/w I've taken and I felt whacked out, stiff and sore a lot. That is gone.

Not making any huge gains. This is slow. I pick up maybe 5 pounds a week in major lifts. No increase in body weight, but I look a lot "harder". Getting looks from the general public.

Must have patience. I'll stick it out.

 

[motodawg]

Hey bro long time no see, i've been doing 200 mg test cyp E4D and 300mg Eq E4D and i'm doing 10 mg d-bol p/d. I'm 14 weeks into a 16 wk cycle the joint pain will go away with the Eq at the dose your running, i threw in some hcg and proviron at week 6 through 10 and i'm tired a lot o also 2 iu HGH 5/2. I'm up from 185 to 205 well see how much i keep when i go back to HRT doses....later..... moto o i just turned 50 - 3 weeks ago not a grandpa yet and in no hurry lloll

 

[thelion2005]

Beginning of week 7 tomorrow, April 30.

Body weight is the same. However, weight being used in exercises keeps improving in very small amounts. Sometimes just a rep more at the same weight of the last session.

For example: I do incline db curls from a dead stop at the bottom. When I move up from 4 reps to 6, I know it is a true strength increase. This is happening. However, no big jumps on the compound movements like deca and dbol and test gives you. Maybe 5 lbs or a rep or two.

I ache a lot after a workout in the targeted areas. And it seems never to heal. It is not muscle or joint damage ... it just aches like overuse. This stack is different.

No "dick" problems, but animal desire is way down. Maybe I'm a little burned out.

No injection or site problems at all. Greasy skin and random zits went away. Seeing Dr on Tuesday so I'll get some other feed back like bp, which has been over 150 and 80.

 

[tommyguns2]

Lion,

Thanks for the update. Interesting to hear your results, because I felt the same things. My strength went up a little, my libido hung in there, but cooled a bit, and I did feel the same aches you referred to. I attributed it to the var, since some people say that does the same as winnie, but I had dropped the var and kept in the EQ, and the aches didn't go away. I finished the EQ about 3 weeks ago, and only now am I starting to feel better. I wonder if its the EQ.

Good luck, and thanks again for the progress report.

Beginning of week 7 tomorrow, April 30.

Body weight is the same. However, weight being used in exercises keeps improving in very small amounts. Sometimes just a rep more at the same weight of the last session.

For example: I do incline db curls from a dead stop at the bottom. When I move up from 4 reps to 6, I know it is a true strength increase. This is happening. However, no big jumps on the compound movements like deca and dbol and test gives you. Maybe 5 lbs or a rep or two.

I ache a lot after a workout in the targeted areas. And it seems never to heal. It is not muscle or joint damage ... it just aches like overuse. This stack is different.

No "dick" problems, but animal desire is way down. Maybe I'm a little burned out.

No injection or site problems at all. Greasy skin and random zits went away. Seeing Dr on Tuesday so I'll get some other feed back like bp, which has been over 150 and 80.

 

[thelion2005]

Week 8 coming up and I am bored. I guess I was spoiled by bulking stacks with a bigger andro punch to them. Anabolic is sloooooooow. Hopefully permanent.

My weight dropped 1 1/2 pounds while strength keeps creeping up a rep or a pound at a time. I have these pure exercises that are my guage and they do move up.

Aches come and go. It feels like I've overstretched all my joints. I hate that side effect. Greasy skin did go away.

I'm sleepy all the time. I mean ... fall asleep time in the middle of the day.

There is another posting about delayed orgasm side effect and I've got it. Nandos do this to me. Not deca dick ... but the need for longer periods of stimulation to achieve climax.

So I slipped in some Proviron, which in my mind is all androgenic. POW. Problem gone. But this contaminates the experiment and I'll only do them one week. I wanted to see the effects of a less androgenic stack ... and that is eq with a light test p chaser. Even the tbol is lighter androgenic.

Otherwise .... I'll stick it out. I also understand that eq is going to stay with me for many weeks after I stop. Should make my HRT base different in June.

 

[thelion2005]

One more week to go and I will be out of eq. That makes 9 weeks total for the cycle. I realize it will stay in my system 3-4 more weeks afterwards and that is fine with me. I'll simply go back on HRT for 4 - 6 weeks. By the end of June or mid-July, I'll be ready for something different to try.

All I can say about the stack is ... eq is slow and steady. I did not pick up water and a big body weight jump. About 3-4 pounds total. My strength increased slowly and steadily. I have a harder look. Sides were there and the damn body aches were irritating. It took about 6 weeks to settle down.

Aas with lower androgens demand patience. I was tempted many times to raise the test p dosages or add more proviron, but didn't. I'd recommend it, but don't expect miracles.

 

[thelion2005]

Conclusions:
- I did not pick up a lot of new muscle. One or two pounds and a "harder" look.
- Lots of sides, like mood and greasy skin.
- BP climbed all the way to over 160. 130 last Friday.
- Climax delay ... finally went away after two solid weeks. Back to normal.

I'm just cruising along now on HRT. Have insurance exam coming up in 8 weeks so I'll just stay with this.