Glutamine Powder - Gold or Garbage?

[MikeMartial]

you have not even tried G-covery so your Communist manifesto against glutamine peptides is moot

NO offense of course

Hehe, no offense taken.

In all seriousness, Omega, I did offer to test G-covery a long time ago, and report my findings back here. Like I said then, I'm the perfect candidate: I resistance train, I do HIIT, I train in two completely different martial arts (Muay Thai and No-gi jujitsu), I have a very physical job as firefighter/paramedic, and I do shiftwork. If anyone needs better recovery, it'd be me.

Offer still stands: You send me some G-covery, and I'll log my findings on EF.

 

[OMEGA]

Deal.....


pm me for details

 

[KIAN]

the stomach is the first step in the digective process, not a black hole like you have pictured for us and would have us believe

Actually, the mouth is the first step in the digestive process. This is covered in Biology101. But aside from that ...

Glutamine, whether as a free-form L-glutamine or as a peptide, does not and has not been shown to produce any significant changes which would substantiate supplement company claims. Supplement companies who push Glutamine, rely solely on in vitro and not in vivo results. The only documented benefits from using glutamine is when it is administered via IV in a peptide form and only to individuals who have suffered a severe trauma (ie: burn victims, cancer patients).

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KIAN PHILLIPS -- BSc/SpSc - CPT

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[wakefib]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

 

[OMEGA]

Actually, the mouth is the first step in the digestive process. This is covered in Biology101. But aside from that ...

Glutamine, whether as a free-form L-glutamine or as a peptide, does not and has not been shown to produce any significant changes which would substantiate supplement company claims. Supplement companies who push Glutamine, rely solely on in vitro and not in vivo results. The only documented benefits from using glutamine is when it is administered via IV in a peptide form and only to individuals who have suffered a severe trauma (ie: burn victims, cancer patients).

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KIAN PHILLIPS -- BSc/SpSc - CPT

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Trauma is a term that can be used for getting under the weather or working out say in a Extreme Bodybuilding Life Style.

Glutamine in the peptide form IS stable, it the same principal of aminos in food.
Because they are in Protien "chains" and hence "protected" they are processed through the stomach and then into the intestine, where they pass through the lumen , LIKE OTHER FOOD is........

it is the ISOLATED AMINOs that are not protected that are ravaged by the PH changes in the gut.

 

[MikeMartial]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

"It is also known that glutamine has various effects in reducing healing time after operations. Hospital waiting times after abdominal surgery are reduced by providing parenteral nutrition regimens containing amounts of glutamine to patients"

Parenteral = intravenous. Now if we could administer glutamine IV at our leisure, we would actually redefine what recovery is all about.

 

[KIAN]

Glutamine Peptides are only beneficial if administered via IV to trauma patients

Trauma is a term that can be used for getting under the weather or working out say in a Extreme Bodybuilding Life Style.

I think you misunderstand the difference between 'fatigue' and 'trauma' as the latter has very serious implications and has nothing to do with being 'under the weather' or 'working out' to extreme levels of endurance.

I can only repeat that Glutamine in a supplemented form has no benefits to the physiology of a healthy individual and claims by supplement manufacturers can not and have not been supported outside of in vitro tests.

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KIAN PHILLIPS -- BSc/SpSc - CPT

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[OMEGA]

Re: Glutamine Peptides are only beneficial if administered via IV to trauma patients

I think you misunderstand the difference between 'fatigue' and 'trauma' as the latter has very serious implications and has nothing to do with being 'under the weather' or 'working out' to extreme levels of endurance.

I can only repeat that Glutamine in a supplemented form has no benefits to the physiology of a healthy individual and claims by supplement manufacturers can not and have not been supported outside of in vitro tests.

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KIAN PHILLIPS -- BSc/SpSc - CPT

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IT is quite possible that you are not familiar with intense training.
Seriuos bodybuilders that do cardio, and lift ( especially double days) WILL benifit form Glutamine PEPTIDE supplemention.
Or athletes who wish to alleviate soreness.

You forget that GLUTAMINE is the PREFERED source of fuel for the IMMUNE SYSTEM ( look it up) which is part of what governs recovery ability.

GLUTAMINE is prefered over CARBORHYDRATE, over FAT, over Protien, over Alcohal and any othe source of fuel for the immune system

Having a readily available AND DENSE SOURCE of Glutamine as in G-covery is a sure way to retrieve the benifits of Glutamine Supplemenation.

Medical journals site Parenteral delivery ( which say Glutamine peptides work), but its is quite short sighted to believe that Oral Administration could not do that same........


Food gives nutritents via oral adim, but one can also deliver nutrients via Parenteral N to the gut, Which is better?

this premise holds the same for GLUTAMINE PEPTIDES as well.......

Like food ORAL admininstration of Glutamine Peptides will yield untilization.........hence benifits.

 

[KIAN]

Re: Glutamine Peptides are only beneficial if administered via IV to trauma patients

IT is quite possible that you are not familiar with intense training.
Seriuos bodybuilders that do cardio, and lift ( especially double days) WILL benifit form Glutamine PEPTIDE supplemention.
Or athletes who wish to alleviate soreness.

Regardless of what intensity level an individual performs physical activity, they will never be classed as a trauma case unless they drop the entire weight stack on their head. Therefore, any possible benefits from the supplementation of Glutamine will not be seen. If it is a question of soreness you wish to address, then just increase your Omega 3 intake so that your Omega 3 to 6 ratio is 1:1 and hydrate yourself. No supplements required.

You forget that GLUTAMINE is the PREFERED source of fuel for the IMMUNE SYSTEM ( look it up) which is part of what governs recovery ability.

GLUTAMINE is prefered over CARBORHYDRATE, over FAT, over Protien, over Alcohal and any othe source of fuel for the immune system

While it is true that Glutamine does infact support the immune system, an individual would not be able to consume glutamine via supplementation at levels which would produce measureable changes to their physiology. Increasing their intake further would only produce nausea and diarrhea.

Medical journals site Parenteral delivery ( which say Glutamine peptides work), but its is quite short sighted to believe that Oral Administration could not do that same........

These medical journals which site the benfits of glutamine peptides administered via IV and only to trauma patients are the same medical journals which site that supplementing with glutamine or glutamine peptides via supplements produces no measureably benefits to subjects. The only mention of supplemental benefits of glutamine come via supplement companies who are unable to substantiate these claims.

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KIAN PHILLIPS -- BSc/SpSc - CPT

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[OMEGA]

your still not getting it
wrote clearly what the reality is and your continueing to dismiss it in not valid

does Glutamine Mysteriuosly become valuable when you go through Hospital doors?
Trauma is Trauma, the body is challeneged when abody builder does Cardio Double days or trains twice a day, if this is not trauma what is?

also commented on the fact that food are hydrolized by the body, and taken up by the body. G-covery (glutamine peptides) funtion on the same principal.

you Comment on OMEGA 3 '?s while interesting are not comparible to glutamine or the discussion proceeding forth.

Your still think its glutamine which is an isolated amino acid, its NOT.