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glutamine does it really work?
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Third most important supp:
1= Protein
2= Dextrose (if used correctly)
3= Glutamine
4= Meal replacement shakes
Glutamine is NOT a flash in the pan supp. So a lot of people don't use it. But I recommend taking it like protein......a steady part of your supp routine. You should notice a big difference in a year....remember you didn't get a lot of flash when you started taking protein but you won't remove it from your supp routine!
1= Protein
2= Dextrose (if used correctly)
3= Glutamine
4= Meal replacement shakes
Glutamine is NOT a flash in the pan supp. So a lot of people don't use it. But I recommend taking it like protein......a steady part of your supp routine. You should notice a big difference in a year....remember you didn't get a lot of flash when you started taking protein but you won't remove it from your supp routine!
RGC3 said:
i agree, its long term affects are great, its not like creatine or something in which you notice results right away, but in the long run its continued use when cutting will serve great effects in my opinion. plus it is pretty cheap, so its not that bad of an investment.
diamonddiceclay
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GLUTAMINE IS ESSENTIAL FOR RECOVERYStiffler said:
40butpumpin
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Glutamine will boost your natural gh if taken before sleep and when you wake on an empty stomach. Glutamine is definitely worth taking.
riskybizz007
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Damn man... I hate being the only guy here to say, I really dislike glutamine. Felt no changes, high doses, low doses, cutting or not. Did it every way possible, and no change.
Creatine on the other hand has always treated me good.
Creatine on the other hand has always treated me good.
40butpumpin
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Hey, Risky. I hear ya. I only felt it when I was taking it on an empty stomach when I was on a low calorie diet. But I still think it's worth taking last thing and first thing on an empty stomach to get the gh boosting benefits.
40butpumpin
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If you're still full from dinner or something then don't bother. If you have an empty stomach then yes. At least that's the info that I have.
110% said:
Right now I'm doing the best I can to bulk, but its fuckin hard tryin to pump 4000 calories a day into your body...anways...
I've been taking a huge tbsp. of glutamine along with a myoplex and 6 grams of creatine, and as my post workout shake. Should I not be including the the glutamine in this shake? And is this a good shake at all while trying to bulk??
I suggest 20g of Glutamine divided through out the day...5g at each serving. This includes taking 5g before bed (30-45 min after my last meal).
I'm not sure about 'bulking' phase and Glutamine. Riskybizz007 doesn't suggest taking Glutamine during a bulking diet. I don't 'bulk' I eat pretty clean year round..I add cardio and cut a few calories to slice up. I normally eat a lot of Protein and play with my carbs to 'bulk' or 'cut' up.
I suggest taking Dextrose, creatine and glutamine after workout. Then protein only shake 30 min later. Do a search on Dextrose. There are a lot of posts on this supp.
I'm not sure about 'bulking' phase and Glutamine. Riskybizz007 doesn't suggest taking Glutamine during a bulking diet. I don't 'bulk' I eat pretty clean year round..I add cardio and cut a few calories to slice up. I normally eat a lot of Protein and play with my carbs to 'bulk' or 'cut' up.
I suggest taking Dextrose, creatine and glutamine after workout. Then protein only shake 30 min later. Do a search on Dextrose. There are a lot of posts on this supp.
Glutamine "works", but not for building muscle like creatine. Think of glutamine as a muscle preservative. The time to be taking glutamine isn't when you're trying to build muscle, but when you are trying to keep what you have.
For instance, many people don't like to eat a few hours before bed, especially nothing heavy like protein. This would be a good time to take glutamine, right before bed. When you awake in a fasted state, this would be a good time to take glutamine. Any time you are dieting or fasting, especially low protein diets, glutamine is a good thing.
Another good time for glutamine is at the end of a cycle. This is for two reasons, you'll be able to start eating less protein to keep from getting fat while still preserving your muscle, and second because glutamine inhiibits cortisol, and the decreased ratio of testosterone to cortisol is believed to be the cause of lost muscle mass at the end of a cycle.
The time not to be taking glutamine is when you are consuming protein and trying to build muscle. Any large dose of one amino acid has the side effect of inhibiting the absorption of all others, so don't take glutamine at the same time you consume protein, or better yet until the protien is fully digested.
For instance, many people don't like to eat a few hours before bed, especially nothing heavy like protein. This would be a good time to take glutamine, right before bed. When you awake in a fasted state, this would be a good time to take glutamine. Any time you are dieting or fasting, especially low protein diets, glutamine is a good thing.
Another good time for glutamine is at the end of a cycle. This is for two reasons, you'll be able to start eating less protein to keep from getting fat while still preserving your muscle, and second because glutamine inhiibits cortisol, and the decreased ratio of testosterone to cortisol is believed to be the cause of lost muscle mass at the end of a cycle.
The time not to be taking glutamine is when you are consuming protein and trying to build muscle. Any large dose of one amino acid has the side effect of inhibiting the absorption of all others, so don't take glutamine at the same time you consume protein, or better yet until the protien is fully digested.
kalik razak
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Doc, in other words glutamine should be taken on it's own? but how much should one take per body weight, I think I agree with you to take it on it's own but it's expensive especially glutamine peptide. I'm seriously considering taking g.peptide because I don't do juice anymore( I'm scared shitless), hope you could answer my quiry.
thanks.
thanks.
Yes and no. Absorption is the key. Preferably it should be taken on an empty stomach and definately not with other amino's or creatine, since they compete for the same transporters and carriers. Bioperine can be a helpful aid in absorption. But even then, you need to provide a carrier for glutamine to be absorbed well. Use Club soda (carbonated water) with some dextose get oral glutamine supplements absorbed properly.
I have to side with Risky and 40butpumpin, it did nothing for me. I read somewhere that if you take alot of protein powder, or MRP's, you most likely are getting plenty of glutamine. Its one of those supps where because every study in the world does validate its usefullness, you take and say it must be working. But, if there is no change in bodyweight, bodyfat%, or lifts, its kind of tough to tout it as being essential. All that being said, I still throw it into the mix, just because I bought a big container of it awhile back.
kalik razak
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Doctor T, I'm seriously thinking of adding glutamine peptide to my diet, so will it help if I take it together with aminogen? and what do you think of aminogen.
thankyou.
thankyou.
riskybizz007
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REML, i'm w/ you on that one. If it works so good and does so many things, how come you don't notice shit? But come to think of it... on paper Methoxy was proven to be very anabolic, as well as ECDy, but in real life they both sucked and plummeted.
Aminogen I do not recommend - but then I don't recommend high protien low carb diets either, for health purposes. For the purpose of digesting protien, Aminogen can be beneficial.
But understand this: proteases act specifically to break down proteins, lipases concentrate on fats and lipids, and amylases work to break down carbohydrates.
Those are the three main enzymes produced by the pancreas (along with cellulose, for beaking down fiber). Aminogen is a protease only supplement. If you are going to eat a normal American cooked/processed food diet, you should be supplementing with an enzyme product with a balance of all three digestive enzymes. If you are on some kind of Atkins/Keto suicide mission then Aminogen may help you get where you're going faster.
Protease enzymes not only break down protiens, but also lipases and amylases. So follow with me, Aminogen followed by a fast food combo meal equals undigested carbohydrates and fats clogging up your GI.
Preferably, a person should eat his protiens and carbs seperately, since they require competing enzymes and ph levels to digest, but for those of us conditioned to eat "balanced meals", an equally balanced enzyme supplement would be just what the Doctor ordered.
But understand this: proteases act specifically to break down proteins, lipases concentrate on fats and lipids, and amylases work to break down carbohydrates.
Those are the three main enzymes produced by the pancreas (along with cellulose, for beaking down fiber). Aminogen is a protease only supplement. If you are going to eat a normal American cooked/processed food diet, you should be supplementing with an enzyme product with a balance of all three digestive enzymes. If you are on some kind of Atkins/Keto suicide mission then Aminogen may help you get where you're going faster.
Protease enzymes not only break down protiens, but also lipases and amylases. So follow with me, Aminogen followed by a fast food combo meal equals undigested carbohydrates and fats clogging up your GI.
Preferably, a person should eat his protiens and carbs seperately, since they require competing enzymes and ph levels to digest, but for those of us conditioned to eat "balanced meals", an equally balanced enzyme supplement would be just what the Doctor ordered.
riskybizz007
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DoctorT said:
Just wanted your opinion on this statement you made. Seems like you don't advocate high protein, and was just wondering how many grams would you consider high protein? And I've asked this to numerous people w/ no real answer... Can consuming moderate or high protein intake damage kidney or indirectly the liver?
Factors that determine your protein needs are of course whether you're tearing muscles down through heavy lifting, whether you're growing…your genetic makeup, etc.
So it would be stupid for anyone to try to give you an exact number of what your protein intake should be. The key is not to eat so much protein that your body begins to metabolize it as fuel source. If this happens then your body will quickly become acid, and overwhelmed by toxic ketons.
Your body must maintain homeostasis (balance). For instance your body must maintain a body temperature of 98.6 degrees. Well just as important as body temperature is body pH. Your body must maintain and overall pH slightly alkaline. Obviously certain areas of your body like your stomach will have an acid pH, but overall your body must maintain a slightly alkaline pH.
What tend to acidify the body are environmental toxins, stressful emotions such as worry anger or resentment (which increase cortisol (stress) hormone levels much the same way steroids and prohormones do), and acid forming foods. Certain foods will either produce an acid buildup in the body or an alkaline buildup. Any meat, dairy, or protein tends to buildup acid. The same goes for high sugar foods. Most cooked foods are acid forming. Most alkaline forming foods are raw veggies, sprouts, and some fruits. Again you don't need to eat exclusively alkaline foods, but overall you need an alkaline-based diet.
The diets I consider suicide are the ones that tell you to eat lots of protein and fat, but avoid all carbs including vegetables and fruits- which are not only an important for pH balance, the best source of nutrients and enzymes, but also the cleanest sources of protien and the best sources of fiber.
If your diet is low in fiber then bowel transit time slows way down. Also if mucoidal plaque has built up in your bowels then this will clog and slow bowel transit time as well. And protein slows down bowel transit time more then any other type of food. That is why it is so important you eat protein foods with high fiber foods (eat your vegies).
For instance, you see the dietary fad right now known as the Atkins diet…basically a meat and cheese diet. People are losing weight initially on that diet for many reasons it would take awhile to go into. But the results are short-lived, and the cost to long-term health is huge.
It works short-term, but if they know why it worked they still would not adopt it long-term.
So question everything, test everything, take what works, but know why it works…and never take any so-called "health" expert's word for it. Don't even take my word for it…test it…prove it to yourself.
So it would be stupid for anyone to try to give you an exact number of what your protein intake should be. The key is not to eat so much protein that your body begins to metabolize it as fuel source. If this happens then your body will quickly become acid, and overwhelmed by toxic ketons.
Your body must maintain homeostasis (balance). For instance your body must maintain a body temperature of 98.6 degrees. Well just as important as body temperature is body pH. Your body must maintain and overall pH slightly alkaline. Obviously certain areas of your body like your stomach will have an acid pH, but overall your body must maintain a slightly alkaline pH.
What tend to acidify the body are environmental toxins, stressful emotions such as worry anger or resentment (which increase cortisol (stress) hormone levels much the same way steroids and prohormones do), and acid forming foods. Certain foods will either produce an acid buildup in the body or an alkaline buildup. Any meat, dairy, or protein tends to buildup acid. The same goes for high sugar foods. Most cooked foods are acid forming. Most alkaline forming foods are raw veggies, sprouts, and some fruits. Again you don't need to eat exclusively alkaline foods, but overall you need an alkaline-based diet.
The diets I consider suicide are the ones that tell you to eat lots of protein and fat, but avoid all carbs including vegetables and fruits- which are not only an important for pH balance, the best source of nutrients and enzymes, but also the cleanest sources of protien and the best sources of fiber.
If your diet is low in fiber then bowel transit time slows way down. Also if mucoidal plaque has built up in your bowels then this will clog and slow bowel transit time as well. And protein slows down bowel transit time more then any other type of food. That is why it is so important you eat protein foods with high fiber foods (eat your vegies).
For instance, you see the dietary fad right now known as the Atkins diet…basically a meat and cheese diet. People are losing weight initially on that diet for many reasons it would take awhile to go into. But the results are short-lived, and the cost to long-term health is huge.
It works short-term, but if they know why it worked they still would not adopt it long-term.
So question everything, test everything, take what works, but know why it works…and never take any so-called "health" expert's word for it. Don't even take my word for it…test it…prove it to yourself.
kalik razak
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THANKYOU DOCTOR T.
That put to rest my curiosity on aminogen. I only took 60grams of protein supplement and agreed with doctor T, I beleive those BB magazine articles(reseach) for 200 and up grams of protein good finding's only serve one purpose, to push their sales of protein supplement because tru my calculation I only took about 100 grams of protein thru natural food, plus my supplement comes to about 160grams and I still maintain my atheletic figure.
Thanks DoctorT for your insight.
That put to rest my curiosity on aminogen. I only took 60grams of protein supplement and agreed with doctor T, I beleive those BB magazine articles(reseach) for 200 and up grams of protein good finding's only serve one purpose, to push their sales of protein supplement because tru my calculation I only took about 100 grams of protein thru natural food, plus my supplement comes to about 160grams and I still maintain my atheletic figure.
Thanks DoctorT for your insight.
riskybizz007
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thanks for your insight
