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Fukkenshredded

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For those who missed it:

STOP TALKING ABOUT GHB SOURCES, EVEN IN REFERENCE TO ANALOGS.

The reason is that the laws regarding GHB are SERIOUS, folks. When this board is brought under review and scrutiny by the feds (it is currently) they are met with frustration because the laws about steroids tie their hands. Don't think that the reason you have not been busted is becasue you are clever. The reason is because so far you have not done enough to warrant a bust, seeing as the punishment would be so slight in most cases as to make a mockery of the use of the justice system. But rest assured, all of us on this board are known to the feds, as are your correspondences, both encrypted and non-encrypted.

Which is why this talk about GHB is so dangerous. We can talk about the effects of this drug all we want to. But any hint of sourcing or manufacture is enough to allow the feds to come right to your door with a warrant. Furthermore, they don't have to come to your door. They can just watch your mail and sieze anything at all. GHB laws are unconstitutional, but they are unfortunately a very real provision in the states, and they allow for some very unpleasant things to happen. In fact, it would only take a few references like those on a recent thread to shut this board down, should the threads be verified and studied, which undoubtedly is happening as we speak. Now, I don't think the feds want to shut this board down, because this board is like a pond with all of us sitting ducks, see. Its a feast for a fed in need of a bust, and a GHB bust is a big deal to those guys, believe me.

The hysteria created by the government about this compound is simply a ruse, as we know, but the resulting laws are tragic, and caution MUST be used.

Perhaps you will all notice the sudden absence of posts about GHB by those who generally tended to post the most vehemently about it.

Wonder why that is.

SHUT UP ABOUT GHB SOURCES, PEOPLE.

Perhaps this should be a sticky...mods?
 
I agree. I dont know or need to know much about the law but I cant see it bein that difficult for a Narc to bust shit up in here in no time flat.

I dunna maybe I'm just a dumb Canadian?
 
yea

For some reason those ravers think it has some use in BBing. It is purely a rec drug no matter their argument. They won't listen. We should ban people talking about GHB sources and if it was up to me just mentioning it would result in banning. But, to each his own.
 
Oh my GOD-HAHAHAHA!!!!

Fuckenshredded,
You can not get in trouble for typing posts on GHB, nor can you get in trouble for speaking aloud about it.:p This is not China or Cuba you ignorant, paranoid, psycho babbling momma's boy. If that were true we'd all be in jail for the AAS we talk about or maybe the dangerous DNP, Fina (for cattle), painkillers....should I go on? You get the idea so please remove your uneducated post. I'd also love to see "exactly" where you got this big brother information, a gov't site (link) would be very helpful. Thanks- and if you'd like a can provide a link to the US Constitution and the First Amendment (The Freedom of Speech).
 
If you will take the time and do a search, proud13, you might avoid exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you will take the time to read my posts on this board for the last year and a half before you jump to such a bizarre conclusion about me. It seems that not only did you misread my post, (I never said that talking about GHB was illegal, but just the opposite), but you also have illustrated your own shortsightedness. The fact is that I have posted references to laws in this area several times. Furthermore, I correspond with legislative members about this very subject, and I am extremely familiar with what is and is not legal.

The point of the post, child, is that many here do not know the difference, and do not know that when it comes to GHB there is very little required to conduct a legal search. Might I point out to you that the very act of declaring a substance Schedule 1 via an emergency declaration and simultaneously overriding the review of Congress in such a declaration is, in and of itself, a constitutional violation.

Furthermore, there is clear violation of the 14th ammendment since their cannot be logical uniform enforcement of a law that renders a FOOD Schedule I, which some of the GHB laws indeed do.

I wonder if you are trying to prove that you are, in fact 13, or if you simply have an IQ of 13.

Either way, you succeeded.

You must be very proud of your wit and knowledge. Keep teaching us.
 
There should be no source posting no matter what the topic is. Anyone posting their source is a moron. But just because it is a schedule I drug dosen't mean that people can't discuss everything else about it except sources. Obviously.
But i agree anyone posting sources should watch out.
 
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proud13 said:
and if you'd like a can provide a link to the US Constitution and the First Amendment (The Freedom of Speech).
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You're an ignorant fool if you think that's gonna save you.
 
Good post Fukkenshredded, like you said there's a lot more heat on these boards just cause of the rec drug talk. And proud13, obviously you don't realize Fukkenshredded is a well respected memeber of this board and many others, he's definitly someone worth listening to rather then trying to flame...
 
marx

My feelings exactly. Take it somewhere else. We don't need the heat. Fukkenshredded is a freak from the pics I saw of him a while back. He obviously is doing something right.
 
marx said:
Fukkenshredded is a well respected memeber of this board and many others, he's definitly someone worth listening to rather then trying to flame...
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Good and timely post shredded. Unfortunately the same maturity and discretion that is exercised on A.F. is not necessarily the norm for a portion of the members here as proud13 has demonstrated. As genarr stated don't expect to see it stop.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
If you will take the time and do a search, proud13, you might avoid exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you will take the time to read my posts on this board for the last year and a half before you jump to such a bizarre conclusion about me. It seems that not only did you misread my post, (I never said that talking about GHB was illegal, but just the opposite), but you also have illustrated your own shortsightedness. The fact is that I have posted references to laws in this area several times. Furthermore, I correspond with legislative members about this very subject, and I am extremely familiar with what is and is not legal.

The point of the post, child, is that many here do not know the difference, and do not know that when it comes to GHB there is very little required to conduct a legal search. Might I point out to you that the very act of declaring a substance Schedule 1 via an emergency declaration and simultaneously overriding the review of Congress in such a declaration is, in and of itself, a constitutional violation.

Furthermore, there is clear violation of the 14th ammendment since their cannot be logical uniform enforcement of a law that renders a FOOD Schedule I, which some of the GHB laws indeed do.

I wonder if you are trying to prove that you are, in fact 13, or if you simply have an IQ of 13.

Either way, you succeeded.

You must be very proud of your wit and knowledge. Keep teaching us.
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Man that was fucking sweet!;)
 
Fukkenshredded: The theme of your post is great. But just for the record it takes a significant assessment of intent to traffic controlled substances for law enforcement to gain lawful access to certain private material such as email. They can't just get a warrant for some moron saying where he buys his nail polish remover. They can and probably do monitor that source though.
 
Oh yeah, No offense to anyone who runs this board, but when i go to elitefitness.com a little thing pops up advertising a magazine you can buy from EF with "how to make GHB". If anything is going to gain attention to this board by the feds thats it.
 
fuckenshredded,
I am not advocating posting of sources......but it is legal to talk and write about GHBwhich you started to say in your 2nd paragraph but then contradicted youself by saying "But any hint of sourcing or manufacture is enough to allow the feds to come right to your door with a warrant." Why the manufacture of it?There are many websites that are dedicated to not only providing information and message boards but links for providers as well. As for , "this board is brought under review and scrutiny by the feds (it is currently)" I guess we all better find new message boards. Check out what SNOOP said and this board should have been shut down already as you claim. Even worst, George Spellwin ought to get himself a good lawyer and start hiding since his board offers a manual on "How to make GHB"!!!!

You still have not provided any links which I would enjoy reading. I don't care how long you have been posting on a board or who you correspond with (which is bs). What do you ask them anyway, "Hey Mr. Legislative member what are the laws on GHB?" "Well Tommy you can have your house searched and seized just by talking about it or even posting anything about it on those bodybuilding boards!" I have had friends caught with GHB and the charges were not harsh at all, so I know for a fact (at least in my state) it is not a big thing. If GHB was such a big time thing throughout the US then I'm sure you would hear about it and/or busts in the news all the time...."and a GHB bust is a big deal to those guys, believe me." I could understand if you are a domestic source trying to openly sell GHB to people on boards, then yes I'm sure the FEDS (you claim to be so close with) or who ever would want to shut you down and convict you but no one is trying to sell hear it is simply a discussion board, which is very legal, but you still have failed to understand that. That is great you have legal knowledge but as for the legal action that the gov't/Big Brother may undertake, or better yet have undertook, you are the one who fails to comprehend it.

For all the others (like B182 and Hifidelity) who think this drug is for ravers maybe one day you will be lucky enough to be a competing bodybuilder, if you are then ask around when your backstage about GHB and see what is said. I don't like weed, X, alcohol, painkillers or any other intoxicating nonsense that destroys the body but if you knew what GHB did or who it was developed by and for what reason, then you might understand.

As for the ignorance you believe I suffer from. I would not go there~I am at the 34th top ranked public/private university in this nation going for my MBA. I was on a full athletic scholarship but am now paying my own way b/c I believe my school work should come first. I'm also an amateur bodybuilder hoping to take home the Mr. Gainesville,FL this year. I have also been in the line of gear for about 6 years now and I have knowledge of what I deal with, take, buy and the ramifications that I could suffer from should I be caught.
 
I hate to tell ya FUKKEN SHREDDED, but believe me bro, it takes a LOT more than just talking about making G or talking about sources to get your house searched bro. Truth is, its pretty difficult to get a search warrant and NO and i say NO Judge would issue one based on a few dumb posts on a discussion board. Hell in that case, all the people over at dancesafe.org and other drug bulletin boards would be searched and arrested. True GHB may not have a BBing usage, but i dont' like alcohol, i use it when i want to party and if people don't like the fact i like to party then they can kiss my ass. I lift to look good and feel good, i will never be a pro, so why live my life like a pro and not enjoy partying or whatever. And for you other people who think the PRO's DON"T party, well bullshit, i've seen them do lines and eat as many pills as anyone else.
 
If is true that GHB laws are new and different in their intrusion on our freedoms, what people know about warrants, search and seizure or whatever may not be relevant. I don't know if it is true/untrue and have couldn't give a flyin' fuck either way, but it seems like a good idea to err on the side of caution if it affects you. I don't think you can get into trouble for anything you post on elite either but the thing about criminal endeavour is that the less evidence the better.

Proud13 you need to get laid or something, that attitude is grating.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
If you will take the time and do a search, proud13, you might avoid exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you will take the time to read my posts on this board for the last year and a half before you jump to such a bizarre conclusion about me. It seems that not only did you misread my post, (I never said that talking about GHB was illegal, but just the opposite), but you also have illustrated your own shortsightedness. The fact is that I have posted references to laws in this area several times. Furthermore, I correspond with legislative members about this very subject, and I am extremely familiar with what is and is not legal.

The point of the post, child, is that many here do not know the difference, and do not know that when it comes to GHB there is very little required to conduct a legal search. Might I point out to you that the very act of declaring a substance Schedule 1 via an emergency declaration and simultaneously overriding the review of Congress in such a declaration is, in and of itself, a constitutional violation.

Furthermore, there is clear violation of the 14th ammendment since their cannot be logical uniform enforcement of a law that renders a FOOD Schedule I, which some of the GHB laws indeed do.

I wonder if you are trying to prove that you are, in fact 13, or if you simply have an IQ of 13.

Either way, you succeeded.

You must be very proud of your wit and knowledge. Keep teaching us.
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that was good word, my friend!
Karma is yours...
 
proud13 said:

As for the ignorance you believe I suffer from. I would not go there~I am at the 34th top ranked public/private university in this nation going for my MBA.
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who gives a damn about our background...
Most of the users on this board are educated professionals if you've been long enough around here to know it...
So what if I currently study in one of the top 30 private/public schools. Who gives a damn...

The fact is simple as that - GHB source disscussions cannot take place on this board... And Fukkenshredded simply reminded everyone or those who are not aware of that...

The world would be too simple and boring without people like Simple13..:rolleyes:
 
there are no open source post allowed in this board. there for i for think the feds probelly are not as concerned with this board as they are others. there is nothing wrong to my knoldege with a web site that offers info on how to make ghb. and i believe that no judge would issue a search warrent based upon someones post about partying with ghb. and thats the only reference to ghb that i have seen on here.

when i posted that i had 300 winny tabs and some test....why didnt the big bad feds come knocking at my door.....why you ask, bigger fish to fry......not enough evidence....?
 
Snoop...your first response is correct. It does take a significant amount to access emails, but remember that there is a difference between talking about HOW to make it and talking about HAVING MADE or MAKING it yourself. I have seen losts of posts recently that reveal adequate information to this end.

Unfortunately, I myself am guilty of this as well. My posts here and elsewhere have at times been very foolish.

Remember what you are admitting to you post something along the lines of "...just got my floor cleaner today and converted it..."

In conjunction with inquiries about GHB this is sufficient to prompt further investigation. Also, access to this and other boards is already granted. Feds read these boards regularly. They are not all out to bust everything, and I would imagine that some of them get their knowledge and references here for their own use.

Just like cops. I am sure many of you know that there are several police officers that are respected members here, and their intent is not to bust this board at all. Most cops, feds, and DEA are reasonable people doing a job.

However, many of them have been convinced that GHB is, in fact, a HUGE risk to the general public and must be stopped. They really believe that they are serving the public good by enforcing such ludicrous laws. It would do to remind some of you here that convictions for GHB have occurrred that are absolutely frightening. Possession of less than a hundred grams has resulted in prison sentences for first time offenders. Think about that. I don't hink that you can find the same thing with regards to steroid possession in similar amounts. So, we can, as you have pointed out, discuss the methods of manufacture and the effects of this FOOD, which it is, but I am simply pointing out that we all must be very clear that none of us actually USE this compound because it is, in fact, illegal.

I, myself, in fact, have stopped using this compound as of the time it became illegal, and I simply am continuing to educate myself and others about its properties in anticipation of the status of this compound being ammended so as to reinstate its availability.

Which is why I study it, see. For when it becomes legal again.

13...boy oh boy.

34th.

I was first in my field, but never mind that.

Interestingly you are still saying I am full of shit here. It is you that I am trying to help, in fact.

And the others who have asked about why they haven't been busted for a little bit of winny and test. BECAUSE IT IS UNBUSTABLE. That's why. The gram equivalency makes it a non-issue, and the authorities know this.

You have friends busted with GHB who weren't punished. Hmmm. If this is true, they are either very lucky or they lived in CA when it was a Scedule II drug.

Again, I am not talking about the dangers of discussiong methodologies here. On all of those websites like Erowid, blulighht and such (I am aware of most) there is still caution used with regards to wording. Information selling and dispersing is LEGAL EVERYWHERE, but admitting to a felony, even casually, is unwise.

I will avoid further posting on this thread, seeing as those of you who can benefit will, and those who want to flame me will.

Snoops points are well taken here, and I do not think that they are consistent with proud13's points.

I considered posting a few case studies here, and I still might, but in the end it will not influence anyone who is purely ignorant and stubborn.

Also, I will resist the urge to expose a few syntactic errors and such...but remember that the point of my post is not to insult anyone, but to inform.

As for intellect references, proud13...well, uh...I am glad you are smart. Hope you never have to prove yourself in a court of law, bro.



Incidentally, I personally feel that this compound relates to bodybuilding as much as any ancillary would. bodybuilding is NOT simply a discussion of steroids. When you consider that lots of time is spent in discussion of herbs, nootropics, and the like, we can certainly agree that GHB, a simple carbohydrate, should not be taboo.

Just watch your wording is all.

Peace.
 
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GHB is among the top priorites here in Canada along with coke and X. Not only raves have been targeted recently by cops but also some underground lab and gyms (stock-pilling GHB). But anyway some people are just stuck with their own point of view so screw that.......
 
fukkenshredded: Your points here are vauge. Initially it was "no source posting" now it is "watch your wording". I agree there should be no source posting. But wording means shit and will never amount to anyone being prosecuted for the way they word their comments. There are many other boards who talk much more intimately about drug use i.e. www.bluelight.nu. But because there is no source posting the authorities can't do anything. Like i said earlier they can watch us write about it all they want but it takes a significant threat to gain access to private material. Talking about rec. use of G is not a significant threat.
 
other than the recomendation as a sleep aid i dont think we have any business discusing GHB, i just wish everyone would quit trippin.
 
Take this a step further...what about the thread on the "Party & Scene" board from some fools talking about the price and quality of Ketamine?

JFC...it's basically PCP. Why not turn this into the "High Times" discussion board?

There is also a difference between expressing 1st amendment rights and citing sources and methods. As with the case of "How to be a Hitman," used as manual - a stencil - for a murder case in Maryland, the publisher, not the author was found GUILTY of libel. It is a fine line and the courts are likely to look the other way most of the time. Unless, you use the information to make a GHB or K lab, which in turn generates a product that kills someone.

The FBI and DEA are far smarter than we are about being invasive when necessary. If they think they can pin a few smaller birds down with the hopes of nailing sources, they will. Tools like Carnivore and other electronic invasion devices can be tunneled in easily without your knowledge. It doesn't matter how strong the encryption is, 128-bit to Blowfish, once they know your keys, their in.

The beauty of this community is that there is some great knowledge out there for amateur, serious, and pro-builders alike. A lot of this shared knowledge has probably helped quite a few of us stay physically safe and better our physique in the process. I for one, know that I don't really want to mess around with DNP to lose those last 10 pounds that won't cut. Frankly, there are some folks here that probably could pass board exams in endocrinology.

Bottom line is, free speech has its time and place, but if talk about illegal drugs with NO relevance to body-building start to permeate the board, we could all be in for a surprise.

CF
 
Everyone is so critical of G. Some kids do fuck themselves up using it but thats with almost anything. For those who haven't researched G and won't ever, it is a very helpful aide to bodybuilders of all levels. But because a couple of ravers found out about it now it is being put in the same boat as heroin, pcp, etc.
 
guess what fukken and all others!!! i know how to make GHB and i have made GHB, lets see if i get my door knocked down and my house searched??? its not a hard process people, thousands have made it and will continue to make it, FEDS or whatever you guys want to call cops aren't worried about a guy making his own GHB, they are watching whos buying large quantities of GBL or NaOH and trying to find the sources for this stuff, not the individual party goer
 
DRRman,
Thank you!!!:D Wait a second. Oh shit.........shhhhhhh.............I think some one is in the bushes.........OH NO ITS THE.....................
 
Re: america right?

edog said:
Im sorry but i feel here in america we should be able to talk about whatever we want to! If you dont like it .........leave.
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It's ADVICE that Fukkenshredded is giving here........if you wanna talk about it go ahead, but it'd probably be in people's best interest not to.
 
DRRman said:
guess what fukken and all others!!! i know how to make GHB and i have made GHB, lets see if i get my door knocked down and my house searched??? its not a hard process people, thousands have made it and will continue to make it, FEDS or whatever you guys want to call cops aren't worried about a guy making his own GHB, they are watching whos buying large quantities of GBL or NaOH and trying to find the sources for this stuff, not the individual party goer
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Drop the sarcasm.

Its totally superfluous to the ghist of this thread.

Fonz
 
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EngiCream said:


It's ADVICE that Fukkenshredded is giving here........if you wanna talk about it go ahead, but it'd probably be in people's best interest not to.
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Exactly.

I guess Social Darwinsim will root out these idiots.

Fonz
 
manny78 said:
GHB is among the top priorites here in Canada along with coke and X. Not only raves have been targeted recently by cops but also some underground lab and gyms (stock-pilling GHB). But anyway some people are just stuck with their own point of view so screw that.......
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so I was right ??? lolololol.......
 
source posts about GHB is just as wrong as source posts about steroids. Which is just as wrong as source posts about anything illegal. Bottomline NO source posts.
 
Snoop said:
source posts about GHB is just as wrong as source posts about steroids. Which is just as wrong as source posts about anything illegal. Bottomline NO source posts.
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it's worst. GHB and coke are the same (legally). At least with AAS (i'm talking about Canada) possession of a reasonable amount is legal...
 
Fukkenshredded said:
If you will take the time and do a search, proud13, you might avoid exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you will take the time to read my posts on this board for the last year and a half before you jump to such a bizarre conclusion about me. It seems that not only did you misread my post, (I never said that talking about GHB was illegal, but just the opposite), but you also have illustrated your own shortsightedness. The fact is that I have posted references to laws in this area several times. Furthermore, I correspond with legislative members about this very subject, and I am extremely familiar with what is and is not legal.

The point of the post, child, is that many here do not know the difference, and do not know that when it comes to GHB there is very little required to conduct a legal search. Might I point out to you that the very act of declaring a substance Schedule 1 via an emergency declaration and simultaneously overriding the review of Congress in such a declaration is, in and of itself, a constitutional violation.

Furthermore, there is clear violation of the 14th ammendment since their cannot be logical uniform enforcement of a law that renders a FOOD Schedule I, which some of the GHB laws indeed do.

I wonder if you are trying to prove that you are, in fact 13, or if you simply have an IQ of 13.

Either way, you succeeded.

You must be very proud of your wit and knowledge. Keep teaching us.
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OUCH! That hurt!
 
I don't know why you guys even fuck with this shit.........IMO it has no use for bodybuilding...its just an excuse to use a drug that gives you a buzz........
 
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Fonz said:

I guess Social Darwinsim will root out these idiots.
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Haha, Well said!

This is some real good advice fellas. Personally I don't know shit about GHB because I never even thought of doing it, but this is not a good time to publicly speak on it as far as sources and such.
 
thefantom1 said:
I don't know why you guys even fuck with this shit.........IMO it has no use for bodybuilding...its just an excuse to use a drug that gives you a buzz........
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No one needs an excuse to get a buzz! It is a zero calorie buzz that is why it is popular in these circles.

Quad
 
Fonz bro, that sarcasm was present in my tone back in june, its not now, read the date on that post bro. I guess im eating my words if all this is true
 
thefantom1 said:
I don't know why you guys even fuck with this shit.........IMO it has no use for bodybuilding...its just an excuse to use a drug that gives you a buzz........
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Variety is the spice of life...
 
DRRman said:
Fonz bro, that sarcasm was present in my tone back in june, its not now, read the date on that post bro. I guess im eating my words if all this is true
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OK. Got it.

Fonz
 
Fukkenshredded said:
For those who missed it:

STOP TALKING ABOUT GHB SOURCES, EVEN IN REFERENCE TO ANALOGS.

The reason is that the laws regarding GHB are SERIOUS, folks. When this board is brought under review and scrutiny by the feds (it is currently) they are met with frustration because the laws about steroids tie their hands. Don't think that the reason you have not been busted is becasue you are clever. The reason is because so far you have not done enough to warrant a bust, seeing as the punishment would be so slight in most cases as to make a mockery of the use of the justice system. But rest assured, all of us on this board are known to the feds, as are your correspondences, both encrypted and non-encrypted.

Which is why this talk about GHB is so dangerous. We can talk about the effects of this drug all we want to. But any hint of sourcing or manufacture is enough to allow the feds to come right to your door with a warrant. Furthermore, they don't have to come to your door. They can just watch your mail and sieze anything at all. GHB laws are unconstitutional, but they are unfortunately a very real provision in the states, and they allow for some very unpleasant things to happen. In fact, it would only take a few references like those on a recent thread to shut this board down, should the threads be verified and studied, which undoubtedly is happening as we speak. Now, I don't think the feds want to shut this board down, because this board is like a pond with all of us sitting ducks, see. Its a feast for a fed in need of a bust, and a GHB bust is a big deal to those guys, believe me.

The hysteria created by the government about this compound is simply a ruse, as we know, but the resulting laws are tragic, and caution MUST be used.

Perhaps you will all notice the sudden absence of posts about GHB by those who generally tended to post the most vehemently about it.

Wonder why that is.

SHUT UP ABOUT GHB SOURCES, PEOPLE.

Perhaps this should be a sticky...mods?
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I have never seen such irony in a post.

Fukkenshredded = Nostradamus
 
I wouldn't even use a source who deals with ghb or any other recreational drugs. They are much more likely to be watched by feds.
 
wartime100 said:
I wouldn't even use a source who deals with ghb or any other recreational drugs. They are much more likely to be watched by feds.
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anyone who has K, GHB or extasy has a date with the feds. Only a matter of time.....
 
Fonz, do you or anyone else know if GHB or GBL impacts blood sugar values at all?

Is it something hypoglycemics, hyperglycemics or diabetics should be worried about?
 
Next time someone remarks that prohormone users might as well use the real thing cuz its cheaper, think of this thread. At least the prohormones are legal and that is the SOLE purpose I stick with them....so I can sleep at night knowing men with federal badges in black ninja suits, carrying MP-5 submachine guns won't burst thru my door trying to "help society". I know it is completely off topic...no sleep in 36 hrs so I dont care anyway.
 
Just FYI folks, fukken is without a doubt one of the most intelligent persons from any board. You would be wise to listen to what he says. I would never challenge the man. Just MO.
 
Bigass said:
Next time someone remarks that prohormone users might as well use the real thing cuz its cheaper, think of this thread. At least the prohormones are legal and that is the SOLE purpose I stick with them....so I can sleep at night knowing men with federal badges in black ninja suits, carrying MP-5 submachine guns won't burst thru my door trying to "help society". I know it is completely off topic...no sleep in 36 hrs so I dont care anyway.
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AAS is legal here lolololol and I still believe that pro-hormones are crap......
 
no need for all the flames. F-ing shredded was just trying to get people to smarten up. This board has national exposure and is probably being watched and targeted by the feds. They will be trying to read between the lines and get source info - which isn't that hard to do. So I think everyone would benefit by being careful.
 
Not that fine IMO, almost nobody dies from GHB alone, alcohol is almost always involved in most deaths.
I have NEVER had any problem ever, it is a matter of personal responsibility and knowing when to stop. Too much aspirin will kill you as well, blame the person not the drug.
LL
 
LivinLarger said:
Not that fine IMO, almost nobody dies from GHB alone, alcohol is almost always involved in most deaths.

....

Too much aspirin will kill you as well, blame the person not the drug.
LL
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The person stating the fact that GHB can be a significant hazard to your health was most likely refering to the recreational use of it. And in those cases, alcohol is more likely then not combined with GHB.

....

Your point in mentioning aspirin? Everyone know you can die of drinking too much water in a short period of time... The amount of aspirin you need to actually die, is huge compared to GHB and therefor a statement with no value in this debate.

As someone already commented, blaming the person, not the drug is true ignorance.
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Out of curiosity and lack of knowledge in the field of bodybuilding, I ask if the quoted statement below is the only reason GHB is "popular in these circles"?

Quadsweep:
"It is a zero calorie buzz that is why it is popular in these circles."

This sounds as a reason good enough, and I see a few people conclude that GHB have no value for bodybuilders, but still ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) state that "GHB is abused for its ability to produce euphoric and hallucinogenic states and for its alleged function as a growth hormone that releases agents to stimulate muscle growth."
And DEA states that "Body builders sometimes use GHB for its alleged anabolic effects."

Again, my knowledge in the field of bodybuilding is lacking, so my question above stands.
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proud13, Im impressed that anyone lacking the skill of understanding the message in fukkenshreddeds initial post, have any education at all. But people and their ignorance never stop surprising me. Neither do the requirement to get higher education..

"I have had friends caught with GHB and the charges were not harsh at all, so I know for a fact (at least in my state) it is not a big thing. If GHB was such a big time thing throughout the US then I'm sure you would hear about it and/or busts in the news all the time."

Just for a referance, the state of Alabama got a minimum of three years in prison and a minimum $50,000 fine if havin more then two ounces (about 60 gram) GHB in your possesion.
The laws might be very different in Florida and that might be some of the reason why Florida has the highest amount of GHB-related deaths, with only one close rival, CA.
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Fukkenshredded, cant see anything to point out about youre initial post, rather then that it was timely and probably a good pointer for those who feel invincible behind an alias.

But I do have a comment to a later statement in this thread.

Fukkenshredded:
"this FOOD, which it is" <--- refering to GHB

This is of course true, but this statement as no value in the defence of GHB...
Princton University has this definition to "food";
"any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue"
and therefor the "food"-expression covers a huge amount of substances, legal and illegal.

What has a certain value is the fact that GHB is not a drug under federal law. The Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act defines dietary supplements as foods, and specifically, not drugs. GHB meets three separate provisions of the FDC Act that defines dietary supplements. It is, by federal legal standards, officially, a food.
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CRNT93:
"I thought it was an amino acid"

Nope, as fukkenshredded says its a carbohydrate. Carbohydrates are molecules with the combination of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.
GHB=C4H8O3, clearly a carbohydrate.
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Personaly I recieve my GHB from the local drugstore, due to my narcolepsy...
This being a legal matter, I assume this sourcerevealing will not get frowned upon by administrators of this forum...

P.S.
Excuse my sucky english. Im a norwegian and cant care to spellcheck..
D.S
 
Dr_Down said:
The person stating the fact that GHB can be a significant hazard to your health was most likely refering to the recreational use of it. And in those cases, alcohol is more likely then not combined with GHB.

....

Your point in mentioning aspirin? Everyone know you can die of drinking too much water in a short period of time... The amount of aspirin you need to actually die, is huge compared to GHB and therefor a statement with no value in this debate.

As someone already commented, blaming the person, not the drug is true ignorance.
---------

Out of curiosity and lack of knowledge in the field of bodybuilding, I ask if the quoted statement below is the only reason GHB is "popular in these circles"?

Quadsweep:
"It is a zero calorie buzz that is why it is popular in these circles."

This sounds as a reason good enough, and I see a few people conclude that GHB have no value for bodybuilders, but still ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) state that "GHB is abused for its ability to produce euphoric and hallucinogenic states and for its alleged function as a growth hormone that releases agents to stimulate muscle growth."
And DEA states that "Body builders sometimes use GHB for its alleged anabolic effects."

Again, my knowledge in the field of bodybuilding is lacking, so my question above stands.
---------

proud13, Im impressed that anyone lacking the skill of understanding the message in fukkenshreddeds initial post, have any education at all. But people and their ignorance never stop surprising me. Neither do the requirement to get higher education..

"I have had friends caught with GHB and the charges were not harsh at all, so I know for a fact (at least in my state) it is not a big thing. If GHB was such a big time thing throughout the US then I'm sure you would hear about it and/or busts in the news all the time."

Just for a referance, the state of Alabama got a minimum of three years in prison and a minimum $50,000 fine if havin more then two ounces (about 60 gram) GHB in your possesion.
The laws might be very different in Florida and that might be some of the reason why Florida has the highest amount of GHB-related deaths, with only one close rival, CA.
----------

Fukkenshredded, cant see anything to point out about youre initial post, rather then that it was timely and probably a good pointer for those who feel invincible behind an alias.

But I do have a comment to a later statement in this thread.

Fukkenshredded:
"this FOOD, which it is" <--- refering to GHB

This is of course true, but this statement as no value in the defence of GHB...
Princton University has this definition to "food";
"any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue"
and therefor the "food"-expression covers a huge amount of substances, legal and illegal.

What has a certain value is the fact that GHB is not a drug under federal law. The Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act defines dietary supplements as foods, and specifically, not drugs. GHB meets three separate provisions of the FDC Act that defines dietary supplements. It is, by federal legal standards, officially, a food.
----------

CRNT93:
"I thought it was an amino acid"

Nope, as fukkenshredded says its a carbohydrate. Carbohydrates are molecules with the combination of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.
GHB=C4H8O3, clearly a carbohydrate.
---------

Personaly I recieve my GHB from the local drugstore, due to my narcolepsy...
This being a legal matter, I assume this sourcerevealing will not get frowned upon by administrators of this forum...

P.S.
Excuse my sucky english. Im a norwegian and cant care to spellcheck..
D.S
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You do know you're talking to people that haven't been around here in years?
 
genarr3 said:
You do know you're talking to people that haven't been around here in years?
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Actually, no. Only looked briefly at the date and didnt pay attention to the year it was posted...

Sorry about that.
 
nice thread fs, thanks for bringing that up for the people to watch out for, ive noticed a lot of new people have been on the boards lately asking all kinds of weird questions about things...
 
Dr_Down said:
Actually, no. Only looked briefly at the date and didnt pay attention to the year it was posted...

Sorry about that.
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No reason to apologize, it was an excellent thread. Nice to see it here again to remind peeps of why we don't want GHB posts.
It has nothing to do with moral issues, just the cold dark reality of it being a Schedule I drug.
 
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GHB sources? Everyone is a source. Anyone with a brain cell can make GHB at home if they know what they are doing. It's not rocket science.
 
genarr3 said:
No reason to apologize, it was an excellent thread. Nice to see it hear again to remind peeps of why we don't want GHB posts here.
It has nothing to do with moral issues, just the cold dark reality of it being a Schedule I drug.
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It's schedule III. I have a prescription.
 
DeltreeFitness said:
It's schedule III. I have a prescription.
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The DEA lists it as Schedule I
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/listby_sched/sched1.htm

It's my understanding that it's actually a modified schedule I. That it's only seen as schedule I for prosecution purposes, in all other eyes it's seen as schedule III.
In other words if you're possessing it illegally it's viewed as a schedule I drug. For purposes of research and legally dispensing it's seen as schedule III.

I may not have this exactly correct, but it's something like this.
 
genarr3 said:
The DEA lists it as Schedule I
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/listby_sched/sched1.htm

It's my understanding that it's actually a modified schedule I. That it's only seen as schedule I for prosecution purposes, in all other eyes it's seen as schedule III.
In other words if you're possessing it illegally it's viewed as a schedule I drug. For purposes of research and legally dispensing it's seen as schedule III.

I may not have this exactly correct, but it's something like this.
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This is the correct understanding of it. The federal government doesnt determine “legitimate medical uses” of anything. Such determinations are made by medical professionals that establish a “standard of care,” which is supervised solely by the state (and not the feds). GHB is recognized as a legitimate therapy by many medical professionals and medical societies.
Even I get my GHB from the US, through my local drugstore, because its not produced (or legal, but can be imported in rare medical cases) in Norway.
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Its also true the process of making GHB is extremely easy and you have nomerous ways to get it made. But the fact that "everyone" can make it, doesnt make everyone a source. You actually have to distribute it to be a source...
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As mentioned above, pretty much everyone I was adressing with my initial post, might not be around anymore, and therefor I repeat my question about GHB and bodybuilding, since I still want an answer to this...


Out of curiosity and lack of knowledge in the field of bodybuilding, I ask if the quoted statement below is the only reason GHB is "popular in these circles"?

Quadsweep:
"It is a zero calorie buzz that is why it is popular in these circles."

This sounds as a reason good enough, and I see a few people conclude that GHB have no value for bodybuilders, but still ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) state that "GHB is abused for its ability to produce euphoric and hallucinogenic states and for its alleged function as a growth hormone that releases agents to stimulate muscle growth."
And DEA states that "Body builders sometimes use GHB for its alleged anabolic effects."

Again, my knowledge in the field of bodybuilding is lacking, so my question above stands.
 
Dr_Down said:
Out of curiosity and lack of knowledge in the field of bodybuilding, I ask if the quoted statement below is the only reason GHB is "popular in these circles"?


This sounds as a reason good enough, and I see a few people conclude that GHB have no value for bodybuilders, but still ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) state that "GHB is abused for its ability to produce euphoric and hallucinogenic states and for its alleged function as a growth hormone that releases agents to stimulate muscle growth."
And DEA states that "Body builders sometimes use GHB for its alleged anabolic effects."

Again, my knowledge in the field of bodybuilding is lacking, so my question above stands.
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Many thought ghb's GH release would be a wonderful aid in body-building. The fact is that just because a substance can temporarily raise GH levels does not equate to muscle gains. I've been using it for years, and although it's had many other positive health benefits, it's anabolic effects is not enought to justify as the primary use. It is though an awesome sleed-aid. So it has potential for helping in the recovery process. It is safer than any OTC or prescription sleeping med to date. Prescribed world-wide for narcolepsy, cataplexy, and isomnia.

http://www.ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml
http://www.warddeanmd.com
http://www.webducks.com/ghb.htm
 
the only reson why girls get knocked out from it is because their body can't take all that growth hormone in their system. It raises your growth hormones by 13 times! So it is used as a date rape drug but it was intended for bodybuilding.
 
carlsky said:
the only reson why girls get knocked out from it is because their body can't take all that growth hormone in their system. It raises your growth hormones by 13 times! So it is used as a date rape drug but it was intended for bodybuilding.
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:rolleyes:

I highly doubt Dr. Laborit sythesize GHB with bodybuilding in mind. You're speaking out of your ass. In unexperienced users it can temporarily raise GH release by about five-fold when injected IV. At the same time GH is released so is prolactin. Please do some researsh before spouting out unbased hearsay. Alcohol is the #1 date rape drug. Let's not go there.
 
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carlsky said:
the only reson why girls get knocked out from it is because their body can't take all that growth hormone in their system. It raises your growth hormones by 13 times! So it is used as a date rape drug but it was intended for bodybuilding.
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This is one of the most ignorant posts so far. What on earth made you come up with this conclusion? GHB is the #1 date rape drug (newly surpassed Rohypnol) for a few reasons. First of all its color and odour free, and the salty taste gets covered by pretty much any liquid the victim might be drinking. GHB gets a tremendous effectboost when combined with alcohol, wich in almost all cases of GHB related rapes is what GHB are added into. This gives the victim a big overdose, and if you knew anything about GHB that usely leads to a coma and sometimes death (as mentioned, when combined with alcohol). Not very hard to commit a rape when the victim is in coma. Because of this coma, or state of unconsciousness, the victim can have promblems remembering much of the crime, and usely wait more then 48 hours to report it. This leads to no GHB founds in the body. Few drugs with a similiar effects have so short period of time in the body. And last but not least, its cheap.
All this makes it ideal for such criminal acts.

The only difference the effect has on a female body, if any, is that the effect will be a little higher because females usely have lesser bodymass and weight.
Same as when it comes to alcohol and so on.
 
guys, if this were the case then why are a bunch of people that I know take it as a drug? It increases your dopamine levels also so it gives you a "high". Do some more research cause iv'e done mine. I know amateur bodybuilders that take it all the time and they never pass out! But give too much to a girl and watch what happens.
 
carlsky said:
guys, if this were the case then why are a bunch of people that I know take it as a drug? It increases your dopamine levels also so it gives you a "high". Do some more research cause iv'e done mine. I know amateur bodybuilders that take it all the time and they never pass out! But give too much to a girl and watch what happens.
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It does usually enduce euporia depending on the dose. Interestingly though it actually inhibits dopamine release.
 
Dude, I read a news article in the chicago tribune a few months ago that said it increases your growth hormone by 13%. The interview on it was done by a famous doctor and he said everything there was about it. I'll see if I can dig the article up.
 
deltreefitness said:
It does usually enduce euporia depending on the dose. Interestingly though it actually inhibits dopamine release.
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Actually I think it temorarily inhibits dopamine release from synapses in the cortex thus allowing accumulation similar to a re-uptake pump, then shortly after the so-called dam is lifted and a surge of dopamine is released,much more abundant than regular synthesis which in turn may be responsible for the euphoria and temporary HGH increases.

B32
 
I'd just like to throw in my 2 cents worth. GHB is VERY hard to dose correctly because different batches have so much of the active ingredent. But also remember that this was a legal over-the counter suppliment just a few years ago. But the bottom line is to be VERY careful with the dosing if for some reason you are really are going to use the stuff. Thanks! Alan Chiras.
 
carlsky said:
guys, if this were the case then why are a bunch of people that I know take it as a drug? It increases your dopamine levels also so it gives you a "high". Do some more research cause iv'e done mine. I know amateur bodybuilders that take it all the time and they never pass out! But give too much to a girl and watch what happens.
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"If this were the case"? Ive search the whole thread for a single statement that claimed GHB cant be used as a recreational drug, but i couldnt find any...

And of course the stupidity wont stop; "give too much to a girl". If you give _too much_ of anything, of course it will have negative effects. Same if your amateur bodybuilders was given _too much_.

Another difference, besides the one i mentioned about bodymass and weight, is that people who "take it all the time" usually know how much they can take without taking too much. A girl that havent tried it often and found out her own tolerance, and most importanly; are "given" it and therefor cant determine the amount she has gotten, is in a very different situation.

And yes, please feel free to post a link to the article claiming it raises the amount of growth hormones by 13 times...
 
carlsky that is a lot of BS you posted!!! sorry but i had to hit you with the red k

the only reason ghb is used by bodybuilders is to get f'd up plain and simple

this is another instance that bb's come out looking like stupid ass loser druggies when we try to defend the use of drugs it really goes a long way to make us as a group look really bad
 
deltreefitness said:
:rolleyes:

Alcohol is the #1 date rape drug. Let's not go there.
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Absolutely!!!

As a bouncer in clubs for the last 10 years, hundreds if not thousends more girls get taken advantage of due to alchohol, rather than GHB.

Men intentionally get women drunk so they will have more chance of getting laid, to me that is no different to spiking a drink. You are trying to change a womans mind set with a drug to get the disired response.
 
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