gear options? love tren, but time for a break..

[Burpees]

what's up guys, what are my options besides tren? I'm looking for personal experience. in all honesty I want mass but not to be a blimp, I would love another 20lbs on me. I figure thats another 2-3 12 week runs on Tren/Test..

I don't think EQ will do it, what about Deca? What else is there?

i've posted my stats, and my experience various times.. this would be my second cycle.

So I don't mind the gains to be a bit less leaner than Tren, but I don't want to look like a puffer fish and lose 15lbs of water when I come off to be disappointed..

 

[eddymerckx]

plain old test will do it. nothing complicated. do 12 weeks and finish the last 6 with var. if you want to stay super lean just use prop.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

plain old test will do it. nothing complicated. do 12 weeks and finish the last 6 with var. if you want to stay super lean just use prop.

+1 I would run something like this:

1-12 250 Test E
1-12 400mg Primo
1-4 30mg D-bol

That will add some lean mass with very keepable gains. You will have some water weight at first from the D-bol but overall it won't be that bad.

This is actually the next cycle I'm going to run.

 

[perryscoon]

You don't need tren to get big bro. Tren is a fairly new drug. The old pro's didn't have tren, only primo, and dbol.

The didn't even have test.

 

[Burpees]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

D-bol is just a kick start until the long acting esters of the primo and test kick in. Your strength will go through the roof with d-bol. You would only use it for the first 4-6 weeks max.

To answer your question, they are keepable but your real gains will come from the injectables

 

[perryscoon]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

Primo is excellent for keeping gains. So is Anavar and T-bol.

Dbol bloats you up big time and then you drop a lot of weight when you come off but you can keep a good portion of it if your diet is in check. Remember Guardian? He loved dbol and hated tren. And remember how big and cut he was?? There is your answer.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Primo is excellent for keeping gains. So is Anavar and T-bol.

Dbol bloats you up big time and then you drop a lot of weight when you come off but you can keep a good portion of it if your diet is in check. Remember Guardian? He loved dbol and hated tren. And remember how big and cut he was?? There is your answer.

Good point.

He also thought that steroids were for building muscle not burning fat.

 

[jaybois]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

I'd say if ya wana find out how keepable dbol gains are try a run of dbol only.
Never tried it myself.

 

[REFORMATA]

I ran dbol and deca as my first and only cycle so far.....DEFINITELY increased strength real fast... I started off just taking a half of a 50 tab ed...then bumped it to a 50 ed on some advice...

and deca is SICK as far as I'm concerned....I've lost a good deal of size due to the bloat from the dbol...but kept almost all my strength...

good luck bro..

 

[HAYEZ]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

dbol is just for a boost to get you through the waiting time..dont count on that for gains...just some puffyness and waterweight...

test e 500mg wk 1-12
deca 400mg wk 1-10
dbol 50mg ed 1-4
hcg 500iu 3-13.5 e3d
prop 100 eod 12-14
pct
nolva
60 mg 7 days
40 mg 14 days
sustain pct till end..

bet that will put some size on...

my next i wont post since everyone has become sensitive over dosages now..lmao

 

[ironcheif1984]

Dbol give you some nice ass pumps in the gym too gotta love those.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'd jumpstart will dbols or a-bombs and then hit the test prop (lean-er gains) or Susta250 for 10 weeks.

 

[the_alcatraz]

What does your PCT look like?

 

[5STARGENERAL]

My personal recommendation is a test blend of some sort. PROP if you can handle eod. and and ENAN. OR IF YOUR NOT INTO EOD JUST GO WITH SOME SUST. JUST MAKE SURE YOU END WITH SOME ARIMIDEX. OR PREPARE for your nips to get puffy

 

[ironcheif1984]

My personal recommendation is a test blend of some sort. PROP if you can handle eod. and and ENAN. OR IF YOUR NOT INTO EOD JUST GO WITH SOME SUST. JUST MAKE SURE YOU END WITH SOME ARIMIDEX. OR PREPARE for your nips to get puffy

Ummmmm most people here who use the Sust will only use it for larger dosed cycles because they like to shoot it EOD to take advantage of the test prop in the blend.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Ummmmm most people here who use the Sust will only use it for larger dosed cycles because they like to shoot it EOD to take advantage of the test prop in the blend.

+1

Susta250 eod (3 times a week) 750mgs ew...works wonders!

 

[ALIN]

what's up guys, what are my options besides tren? I'm looking for personal experience. in all honesty I want mass but not to be a blimp, I would love another 20lbs on me. I figure thats another 2-3 12 week runs on Tren/Test..

I don't think EQ will do it, what about Deca? What else is there?

i've posted my stats, and my experience various times.. this would be my second cycle.

So I don't mind the gains to be a bit less leaner than Tren, but I don't want to look like a puffer fish and lose 15lbs of water when I come off to be disappointed..

TEST/DECA /DBOL is a good bulker if diet and training is in tune.

 

[needtogetaas]

You want the size just do it.

Test/deca/dbol bro. Or test/primo/dbol. Thems the choses. I myself like test/deca/dbol. Mass mass mass power power power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

dbol is just for a boost to get you through the waiting time..dont count on that for gains...just some puffyness and waterweight...

test e 500mg wk 1-12
deca 400mg wk 1-10
dbol 50mg ed 1-4
hcg 500iu 3-13.5 e3d
prop 100 eod 12-14
pct
nolva
60 mg 7 days
40 mg 14 days
sustain pct till end..

bet that will put some size on...

my next i wont post since everyone has become sensitive over dosages now..lmao

people better not be getting sensitive or acting like dicks. Let me know if any one sees anything out of line. as in people bashing or acting like jerks. We do not act like this on the site.

 

[DannoMight]

How keepable are Dbol gains in your experience guys?

From what I read it seems to compliment strength gains, and drive, but most if not all of what it gained is lost shortly after you discontinue using it?

Primo looks interesting.

Its better if you us eit as a jump start for your cycle. I like to do 4 weeks @30-50mg ed along with whatever inj compounds. The olden but golden mass stack was test/deca/dbol. you should still be gaining after you drop te dbol due to the other injs will be getting into full effect.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

deca swell and fullness= incredible, 250mgs deca is a sweet spot

 

[cobracock1979]

I like the idea of test/ eq/ var

 

[fallow54]

I've always been a big fan of sust/deca/a good oral, but I tend to get great results from much lower dosages than most people run.

I personally despised dbol the one time I used it, made me feel absolutely terrible. Tbol however, I just got done using for a 4 week period 50mg a day and absolutely LOVED it

 

[cobracock1979]

T bol - I really wanna try it. How was it for bloat/ strenmgth/ keepable gains?

 

[fallow54]

No bloat from the Tbol at all in comparison to the dbol, was running deca/test at the same time but I jumped up about 10 pounds in the first 2 weeks when it was mainly just the tbol working.

 

[Burpees]

decided on EQ guys.. 600mg EW..

 

[HAYEZ]

decided on EQ guys.. 600mg EW..

good dose...lookin for size though its a slow worker..how long ya gonna run it?