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CrimsonKing
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i ass raped your brother when I was in jail last year. I made him put on a wig so I could imagine I was banging one of my fav porn stars...
epimetheus
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Re: Re: Gay straight men.
I have never had a circle jerk, never had a woman jerk me off either. I have been living in the moutains eating granola..err, thats been said hasn't it?
RyanH said:
I have never had a circle jerk, never had a woman jerk me off either. I have been living in the moutains eating granola..err, thats been said hasn't it?
musclebrains
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Heterosexual Male Bonding: Exhibit #1
Preparing to Cornhole
Preparing to Cornhole
musclebrains
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Heterosexual Male Bonding: Exhibit 2
Three Breeders Posing as Queens in Inverted Paper Tiaras Form a Sodomy Sandwich
Three Breeders Posing as Queens in Inverted Paper Tiaras Form a Sodomy Sandwich
musclebrains
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Heterosexual Male Bonding: Exhibit 3
Patriotic Southern Heterosexual Drag Queens Turn their Bed Linens into Dresses with the Same Savvy Eclat with which Scarlett O'Hara Fashioned a Dress from Draperies.
Patriotic Southern Heterosexual Drag Queens Turn their Bed Linens into Dresses with the Same Savvy Eclat with which Scarlett O'Hara Fashioned a Dress from Draperies.
Hans you must know that it is VERY unlikely that any fellow here is going to admit to having any seksuaal thoughts about men ever. It is just not masculine!
I sort of know what you are talking about. There have been many woman i have kissed passionately (and they kissed back!) and even made out with rather heavily that say after it all say, "umm...im not actually bi. I am just experiementing" Hmmm.....honey your hand down in my knickers certainly FELT like you were bi.
Girls can have problems talking about being bi and guys are generally much worse.
I sort of know what you are talking about. There have been many woman i have kissed passionately (and they kissed back!) and even made out with rather heavily that say after it all say, "umm...im not actually bi. I am just experiementing" Hmmm.....honey your hand down in my knickers certainly FELT like you were bi.
Girls can have problems talking about being bi and guys are generally much worse.
musclebrains
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Actually, in a poll on the "sheets" board, more than a third of respondents replied that they are gay or bi. Of course it was anonymous, but when you figure in paranoia, the figure is probably still higher.
I agree. The amount of bisexuaals in the population is certainly more then 30%. I would say that about 80-90% of all humans are bi TO SOME DEGREE. I am a complete queer, but i have THOUGHT about what it might be like to blow some guy. This thought by itself makes me a little bi.
CrimsonKing
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I can help you explore that option magdelana drop me a PM with you address and phone #
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Bikini Mod
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LOL @ mag and Musclebrains.
I was with a girl once, she was very young and beautiful, but it just didn't do it for me. I have never been afraid to admit that I find a beautiful who can move well to be arousing, but then I would go home with ex and swing from the chandeliers. For me it was all about the tease, but once the fantasy was fullfilled, it just didn't "do it"....
Maybe she just wasn't the right girl, eh Mag?! tee-hee
I was with a girl once, she was very young and beautiful, but it just didn't do it for me. I have never been afraid to admit that I find a beautiful who can move well to be arousing, but then I would go home with ex and swing from the chandeliers. For me it was all about the tease, but once the fantasy was fullfilled, it just didn't "do it"....
Maybe she just wasn't the right girl, eh Mag?! tee-hee
musclebrains
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magdelana said:
I doubt 30 percent of the general population would actually identify as bi or gay even anonymously -- in fact it's under 10 percent -- so the percentage here is pretty remarkable. That's not to disagree that nearly everyone is potentially, um, polymorphously perverse.
It's a common heterosexist belief that if you have a sexual experience with a member of your own sex, you are gay. However, if the same person has sex with the opposite gender too, he is not allowed to call himself straight. It's the whole problem of predicating identity on the gender of one's sex partner -- it works against gay-identified people as much as it works for them.
musclebrains
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bikinimom said:
I agree. Sex with women is a better concept than experience.
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Mag - thank you for such wonderful chuckles before retiring for the night! It made it fun to come to the chat board again.
Yes, I am a tease, but there may be a bit of truth to what you say... She was very young and "squishy", like a young girl should feel I suspect... not at all what I find appealing in a man OR a woman - LOL! And though she was a good kisser, that was about it...
She had the most amazing breasts though, 19 year old full pear-shaped D-cups! CARAMBA!
Please do not tell me that you are a brunette, then I may just have to come and play on your team for a while!
Shhhhhhhhh don't tell Shrebly I am so shamelessly flirting with you - I am her bitch and she is VERY JEALOUS! tee-hee
Yes, I am a tease, but there may be a bit of truth to what you say... She was very young and "squishy", like a young girl should feel I suspect... not at all what I find appealing in a man OR a woman - LOL! And though she was a good kisser, that was about it...
She had the most amazing breasts though, 19 year old full pear-shaped D-cups! CARAMBA!
Please do not tell me that you are a brunette, then I may just have to come and play on your team for a while!
Shhhhhhhhh don't tell Shrebly I am so shamelessly flirting with you - I am her bitch and she is VERY JEALOUS! tee-hee
this thread sucks cock
I mean why do you guys have a fascination with us straight arrows?
this is harrassment leave us alone, and bump and grind with yourselves....it does not bother me that you guys like the smell of ass sex amongst yourselves, i am sure after a while you may actually like the smell of male fecis, but damn stop insisting that we like your chocalate in a pig intenstine fetish
kay?
I mean why do you guys have a fascination with us straight arrows?
this is harrassment leave us alone, and bump and grind with yourselves....it does not bother me that you guys like the smell of ass sex amongst yourselves, i am sure after a while you may actually like the smell of male fecis, but damn stop insisting that we like your chocalate in a pig intenstine fetish
kay?
Sounds like the sort i had when i was 19. High, round and D-level. Could put out a persons eye!
I can be brunette tomorrow by the afternoon. (unfortunately i am natural blonde like so many dutch people
)BTW, there is nothing wrong with a nice tease. I do it very much myself.
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May I say that if you were a man Mag.. I would have to rape you.
Goodnight, I must retire! I will do it with a smile on my face now... thank you again for sharing your humor!
Goodnight, I must retire! I will do it with a smile on my face now... thank you again for sharing your humor!
BoneCruncher
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I have never been in a 'circle jerk' sounds pretty disgusting to me, I am not supressing anything either. Maybe in your part of the woods its regular for young guys to 'circle jerk' but not around here.
musclebrains
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supernav said:
You are so right. First there was Barney...then came the Teletubbies.
HappyScrappy
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musclebrains said:Heterosexual Male Bonding: Exhibit 2
Three Breeders Posing as Queens in Inverted Paper Tiaras Form a Sodomy Sandwich
holy shit - the dude in the very back looks just like this dude I went to high school with.
he was way into working on cars and he was held back about 5 years since he got in a really bad motorcycle accident and had brain damage.
he was waaaay less agressive after the brain damage.
68GT350
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Aren't there enough gays in this world so that homosexual males can stop trying to convince all us heteros that we're repressed. Seriously, why is it so hard to believe that I have no desire, never have, nor never will want to be with a man. I love women not only in a sexual nature but in an emotional way as well. They balance out our basic nature. There's something about a girl, personality-wise that I just can't find in a man, even if a man is what i wanted to fuck.
musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
You say that now, but you just haven't met the right man.
Longhorn85
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Re: Re: Gay straight men.
I love how you make that statement matter-of-factly, as if you have some evidence to back it up. I never even heard of the term circle jerk until just now.
RyanH said:
I love how you make that statement matter-of-factly, as if you have some evidence to back it up. I never even heard of the term circle jerk until just now.
HappyScrappy
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I thought this was just a joke?
musclebrains
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68GT350 said:
Maybe you haven't met the right woman...
I was married 7 years. How long were you a butt slave?
musclebrains
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Re: Re: Re: Gay straight men.
You're in the military. They don't ask nor tell about circle jerks.
ttlpkg said:
You're in the military. They don't ask nor tell about circle jerks.
The Ranger
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I'm sorry, but the idea of a hairy nut sack smacking me on the chin doesn't do a damn thing for me....No sir-ree.....
Grossssssssssssssssssss...................................................!!!
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Grossssssssssssssssssss...................................................!!!
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HansNZ
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The Ranger said:
For the record, neither my b/f nor myself have hairy balls, hehe.
In a porn mag I saw these pictures of women lying with their legs spread, their (you-know-what) in full view. The thought of sticking my tongue into that was :
Grossssssssssssssssssss.................................................!!!
HansNZ
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magdelana said:
It's just not masculine? Neither my b/f nor I are fem. We're gay and we're masculine. I think the point you're trying to make is that guys think being gay is unmasculine - which is wrong.
In fact I would have thought full on man sex would be a lot more butch than the pretty perfume and bows that so many men find appealing. LOL
HansNZ
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OMEGA said:
No harrasment here. It is a simple enquiry into a known fact that people experiment sexually in ways that differ from their usual sexual orientation. Asking about reality has got nothing to do with harrassment!
Anyway using the term "harassment" implies homophobia because there is nothing wrong with same sex activity so it isn't harassment to ask about it. It is only harassment if you think you're being acused of something "bad/wrong", etc.
Secondly I don't like the smell of feces, nor would I go near an ass that wasn't clean.
Thirdly neither my b/f or I enjoy anal sex and don't do it. You'd swear that all gay guys do is go around and stick their dicks into everything. This seems more of a heterosexual activity. Many heterosexuals don't even define a sexual act sex unless it involves intercourse.
musclebrains
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HansNZ said:
Bill Clinton for example.
Omega needs to get a sense of humor about this subject. It's amazing how much fun straight boys have calling one another polesmoker, etc., but how defensive they get if a gay man says the same thing to them or engages in some joking about the claim of exclusive heterosexuality.
HansNZ
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supernav said:
hmmm, where do I begin? This is interesting. Being hetero is in the genes but not homo? I've been gay since my earliest memories. It certainly wasn't a "choice". I have no "instinctual" drive to have sex with women. I would have loved to have been straight growing up. If there had been a straight pill I would have taken it immediately, but I would have needed a pill because my sexual INSTINCTS were only towards men.
In terms of sexuality, maybe being bisexual is actually what is normal, not this artifical pure hetero or homo behaviour. I am sure there'd always be pure straights and pure gays in the same way you can find pure blackless and pure intense white. But most colours in our world are neither of these.
It seems human religion and philosophical/scientific theories create this artificial behavior. In an undistorted world perhaps homosexual urges would be strongest before and after prime reproductive periods with heterosexual impulses becoming strongest during these periods. A man having sex with a man is no more unnatural than a man having sex with a woman who isn't ovulating (which also does not lead to reproduction).
HansNZ
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supernav said:
Actually you are quite wrong. Homosexuality among animals is well documented.
As for your other comment - if your mother has blond hair that is no guarantee that you will have blond hair. My aunt is a red head, my uncle has black hair, yet my cousin is blond. A genetic result is the product of a combination of factors.
Perhaps to avoid confusion about whether homosexuality among people who have always had such urges is genetic, perhaps we should say that being homosexual is "in-born" instead. Especially since our knowledge of genetics and the human body is still in its early stages, not to mention what we do "know" is contaminated by so many of our cultural assumptions about how the world is constructed.
As for the sodomy comment (large assholes), you've fallen for another stereotype. This practice is extremely common among straights too. My b/f and I never have anal sex yet my best friend does this woth his g/f frequently.
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smallmovesal
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Darktooth, Hans you silly boys i was being facetious.
STRAIGHT guys think it is not masculine. They think giving a little bj to another guy in a moment of passion is against the typical male gender role. That is why many straight men refuse the idea that they might be bi.
With women it is very different. Society tells women that it is fine to be bi and that is within the female gender role. Doesnt make them seem like "less of a woman" at all in the minds of society.
BTW i know that probably most gay men are straight acting (not fem that is) and that is what they find attractive in other men as well.
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HansNZ
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magdelana said:
Appologies for misconstrueing you magdelena
I agree totally with your comments. Because lesbian sex isn't consider unfeminine in the way that gay sex is considered unmasculine there aren't as many taboos against it. It doesn't compromise people's sense of gender identity in the same way.
It is interesting to see the different attitudes of straight men when I visit Sydney. There is such a large and visible community there that straight men are always in contact with gay guys.
Because of this larger community you see more diversity and types of gay men. The masculine gay men seem to predominate there. Because of this it seems the straight and/or closeted men don't have the same inhibitions about experimenting because what they are doing doesn't seem unmasculine.
smallmovesal
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i have nothing but respect for those who live openly gay lifestyles and have the courage to be true to themselves first... not what the predominant "culture" deems to be "normal"..
Wow, so Sydney is very queer, eh? I am from Holland and i can say that Atlanta where i live now is almost as queer as Amsterdam and Rotterdam. A big surprise for me certainly. Yes the different sorts you can see when there are a lot of us is rather interesting.
There is a club here where straight, bi and queer as mix together a lot. I am very big and muscular ( 1.82 meter and 93 kilo) and often these fem little skinny girls are all over me squeezing my arms and cooing over me. When everyone is relaxed and completely fine with any feelings they might have the ideas of of bi, straight and gay all sort of blur a lot.
There is a club here where straight, bi and queer as mix together a lot. I am very big and muscular ( 1.82 meter and 93 kilo) and often these fem little skinny girls are all over me squeezing my arms and cooing over me. When everyone is relaxed and completely fine with any feelings they might have the ideas of of bi, straight and gay all sort of blur a lot.
vinylgroover
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Mags,
Hans is right. I live in Sydney, it has become the gay capital of the world, surpassing even San Fran.
Don't tell me you've never heard of the annual Sydney Gay & lesbian Mardi gras.
Sydney is very open in terms of sexuality, there are still obviously sections of the community that despise it, but in general the communities mix quite strongly.
Hans is right. I live in Sydney, it has become the gay capital of the world, surpassing even San Fran.
Don't tell me you've never heard of the annual Sydney Gay & lesbian Mardi gras.
Sydney is very open in terms of sexuality, there are still obviously sections of the community that despise it, but in general the communities mix quite strongly.
smallmovesal
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hot pic from magdalena!
musclebrains
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HansNZ said:
Yes, but this is good reason not to predicate any pro-homo argument with the claim that gay men represent traditional masculinity to any necessarily appreciable extent. The prejudice against gay men reiterates misogyny.
To say, "I am a manly man and I don't get fucked" is, turned around, to say: "I'm not like a woman."
The feminization of gay men isn't just rooted in what we call effeminacy, it's rooted in the demeaning of penetrated women, so someone's masculinity is quite beside the point at core. Men of nontraditional masculinities should have no less status than men who pride themselves on their adoption of more traditional masculinity.
Judith Butler has analyzed this phenomenon in an interesting way, demonstrating how the naturalization of homosexuality (as an identity) has caused homosexuals to reaffirm, rather than subvert, traditional gender identities.
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ahh man
your post is worthless.
Ryan.
your post is worthless.
Ryan.
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
On the contrary, I think most heterosexuals are a lot more concerned about where they stick it. In a vagina where it was intended to be stuck for ejaculation.
As far as the definition of a sexual act, the one you mentioned is the "Bill Clinton" defintion. I'm not sure I disagree with it as far as completing the act of sex.
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
Hans, I must hand it to you, that was a great job of applying rationalization to justify behavior.
To argue your point though, you are assuming that a man would be aware of whether or not a woman was ovulating every time they had sex. A man having sex with a woman is obviously quite natural, man on man sex is clearly not.
musclebrains
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ttlpkg said:
He is arguing no such thing. His point is simply that to call heterosexual fucking more "natural" because it can be procreative is to deny that sex occurs just as often for pure pleasure, in which case definitions of "natural" attached to procreation are completely beside the point.
It is "natural" to have sex for pleasure. Heterosexuals engage in all kinds of sex play that has nothing to do with procreation.
HappyScrappy
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just out of curiosity - where does my constant deragned molestation of livestock in a sexual manner fit in to all this?
I am so NOT gay because I would never EVER fuck a dude sheep - only the chicks.
I am so NOT gay because I would never EVER fuck a dude sheep - only the chicks.
twister_nt
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Now thats a lot of writing to take in.
musclebrains
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HappyScrappy said:
Well, really, since the sex involves inserting your small penis into the vaginas rather than anuses of livestock, it's completely natural.
However, could you explain how you fuck a chicken, even with a penis as small as yours?
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musclebrains said:
a combination of sedation and force. just like any sex really.
musclebrains
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HappyScrappy said:
HappyScrappy
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the main thing is getting the chicken to relax.
musclebrains
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HappyScrappy said:
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casavant said:Ha ha!! Looks like my dad trying to dance.
Don't let Happy get near your dad, for god's sake.
HansNZ
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ttlpkg said:
On the contrary? My point WAS that heterosexuals are a lot more concerned about where they stick it. We are not disagreeing here!
As for the rest of your opnions/assertions, you make claims such as penises being stuck where they are "intended" or make comments such as man to man sex is "clearly" not "natural". Yet you fail to back up these assertions. I suppose, like your political opinions, when you explain them they are clearly based on false notions and assumptions, and limited beliefs, so you hesitate to do so.
As for the Bill Clinton definition I wasn't actually thinking of him. (Not everything in the world revolves around the USA as so many Americans seem to think). I was simply reflecting on observations and research.
As for a man knowing whether a woman is ovulating, he could always ask her. And anyway wouldn't she know? She does have to consent to a sexual act unless it is rape does she not?
In any case if sex was only about reproduction then post-menopausal women would not have sex drives. For that matter your theory suggests that a woman would have no sex drive when she is not ovulating either.
If every sex act was supposed to lead to reproduction then we'd be totally overpopulated and women would be simply unable to carry constant pregnancies. In your sort of world the human sex drive would only be a fraction of what it is now. Any people who had sex without the purpose of reproduction would be committing an "unnatural" act.
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musclebrains said:
He did indeed try to make that point, I think Hans speaks well for himself, thank you. But by natural design sex play between heterosexuals leads to intercourse, can't say the same of homosexual sex play.
Sex occurs most of the time for pure pleasure of course, what a grand design to ensure procreation.
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
Any kid who has ever put a puzzle together can figure that one out Hans!
musclebrains
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ttlpkg said:
Or the simple pleasure of relating to another human being.
The decision that sexual pleasure is natural when it is procreative (just because it is mixed-gendered) and unnatural when it is not is purely aribtrary and in service to your personal morality. And no more rational than the Catholic Church's earlier claims that all sex except procreative sex was unnatural.
Gah, what about cloning? Oh my god, what if they clone a queer? Oh my god.
musclebrains
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ttlpkg said:
Oh yeah. The puzzle-maker -- namely you -- decided the penis doesn't fit in the mouth, the rectum, the hand, or an inflatable doll. All unnatural, thus spach ttlpkg, wannabe stripper (but only to ensure the procreative instinct).
HansNZ
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ttlpkg said:
And? But this intercourse in the vast majority of occasions never leads to procreation, so a gay sex act serves the same function.
You just keep reasserting the same opinions without explaining them. You state the obvious and then imply that it has this or that significance without proving why.
Another thought: If foreplay between heterosexuals is "natural" unlike such foreplay among homosexuals because this heterosexual foreplay leads to reproduction, then like the sex act itself this foreplay is only "natural" if the woman is ovulating otherwise they are behaving unnaturally.
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HansNZ
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One other thing, you use the terms "natural design" or "grand design" as if this has somehow been determined. Maybe this is based on some religious belief of yours (i.e. the bible says so). If this is so, to imply that these religious/philosophical opinions are the truth means that any other religions/beliefs/philosophies are wrong - and that takes us into an entirely different conversation altogether.
musclebrains
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The usual argument is that because the species depends on procreation, it's "obvious" that genital sex between the genders is "natural" whereas other forms of sex are unnatural.
In fact they are just deviations from procreative sex for the purpose of pleasure, including the pleasure of love in relationship.
Were Ttl a caveman he would have called picking up a tool unnatural because the hand is only meant for putting food in your mouth and scratching your butt.
In fact they are just deviations from procreative sex for the purpose of pleasure, including the pleasure of love in relationship.
Were Ttl a caveman he would have called picking up a tool unnatural because the hand is only meant for putting food in your mouth and scratching your butt.
musclebrains
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HansNZ said:
I understand that, but predicating an argument about the relative masculinity of gay men on the basis of penetration -- which I'm not saying you do -- often reiterates misogyny.
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musclebrains said:
This is an excellent point.
It is also interesting how straight guys will talk about how gross it is to want to have sex with a guy, i.e. "having hairy balls slapping against your chin", etc, etc. Yet they seem to forget that women have sex with men all the time. They don't seem to consider that their g/fs are being gross, LOL.
Check your PM.
casavant
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I gotta say, anybody that has ever spent any time on a farm or watching the Dicovery Channel should know that sex in the animal world (and hopefully all can agree that this is "natural" sex) is not always for procreation (dolphins, bonobos), nor is it always vaginal, nor is it always heterosexual.
Read up on the Etoro tribe of New Guinea sometime. There is a wide range of sexually accepted practices among the human species.
Read up on the Etoro tribe of New Guinea sometime. There is a wide range of sexually accepted practices among the human species.
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bikinimom said:
I know what kinda girl would get you just right. I know the type, the hair, the eyes, the body, the height and the look. Throw in a cock and look out. Tee Hee
CrimsonKing
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casavant said:
uh, huh, ok.. i guess we know what you are doing while you watch the 'discovery' channel...
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
I'm sure that you realize it is, and I would not want to open that can of worms here either. The last time you and I debated it took several days.
Longhorn85
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musclebrains said:
I'm sure it will fit in any number of places. Just like an outlet plug will fit into many types of holes, but only one type of orafice will produce an electric current. I didn't design the puzzle, but I know how to put it together. Why is my stripper post relevant here?
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ttlpkg said:
I agree we'd better not go there. But if you are a devout christian/jew/moslem, etc then that would explain why I often feel like I am hitting my head against a brick wall when debating with you. Only someone who believes that "god" somehow endorses their beliefs could be so...how should I put this....hmmm, I think i'd bettter stop right here! LOL.
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casavant said:
I have read about New Guinea tribes too. I think it is always a good idea to expose yourself to ideas and practices that are not based upon Western assumptions of how the world works.
These cultures have been distorted a great deal since the arrival of christian missionaries and this has (inevitably) created much dysfunction in these societies. The fact that outside of Christian influence homosexuality is considered completely normal is a refreshing change from Western distortions.
smallmovesal
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in some north american indian nations bisexuality is honoured greatly.
Robert Jan
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Everybody just have sex with whoever the fuck they want. why even make such a big deal out of whether your gay straight bi whatever who cares?
Stop thinking so much about that.
Except I want Magdelana to get it on with ME
Stop thinking so much about that.
Except I want Magdelana to get it on with ME
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HansNZ said:
I doubt very much that homosexuality is or will ever be considered completely normal.
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
But Hans, ignore any religious aspect. My argument is the same about the sexual interaction of human species. Many types of intimacy are possible between a man and woman, and even people of the same sex if they have the inclination. I don't see how you can argue though, that the human body is designed to reproduce through intercourse between a man and woman, and that is the original "reason" we have sex. Even if I were an atheist and believed in evolution from apes I would feel the same because evidence abounds. Someone as obviously intelligent as you can clearly see this in nature. The fact that sexual intercourse is pleasurable only makes sense. The fact that other types of intimate contact are pleasurable does not take away from this fact.
HansNZ
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ttlpkg said:
hmmm, Well reproduction is an essential reason of sexual activity, but so is intimacy. In any case, as a reproductive endeavour, it is only the motivation for a tiny fraction of sexual activity though. We are not meant to be rats reproducing hundreds of offspring. But I am not quite sure what your point is. You sound like you are coming around to our perspective.
Anyway, this thread has gone off topic and is more than 100 posts long so I think it is time to give it a rest.
Longhorn85
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HansNZ said:
Okay, I'll quit. But I'll leave you with two thoughts:
1) Meant by whom?
2) My point is unchanged about heterosexual sex being the intent/design by whoever the answer to my first question is.
Have a nice day.
smallmovesal
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68GT350 said:
....what about a finger or two?
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