FYI on methylated pro-hormones

[cranny]

For all those considering pro-hormones as a safe alternative to steroids please reconsider. We reluctantly sell these at our gym for members requesting them. One of our members did so and as a result has been in the hospital for 3 wks. w/ jaundice. He told us his billy-rubin count was 35. I believe normal is around .2. I could be wrong on the normal range but irregardless he's in bad shape. I just hate how people jump on the bandwagon bashing steroids but have no problem using so-called legal gear for their gains. Yes, you can gain size and strength using them but at what price will you pay as far as your health? After this situation I don't think we we carry these any more.

 

[sparetire]

I guess the argument between prohormones and steroids will be a forever non-ending battle. I have used them in the past with pretty good success while I know others who have used them and have gotten nothing from them. I, personally, think, now that I have crossed over to the darkside (hehe) of steroids, prohormones are a waste of time and probably due cause more problems than the real deal. But either way, both can cause serious problems if abused. Do you know if this guy was drinking a lot or doing other substances that might have helped to bring on his jaunduce? and what was the product, btw? I was unaware that they still sold pro hormones..but then again, I haven't been looking for them for over a couple of years..
hope he gets better..

 

[Muscle Overkill]

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[needtogetaas]

Yes methylated compounds can be dangerous and should be respected. I think everyone should take this rick into consideration when taking steroids of any kind. dbol,anadrol,what ever. Oral mythelated steroids can have negative side effects. Tren can cause kidney failure and clen can cause heart attack. Any steroid can raise BP and cholesterol and as a result you can die. Any steroid can shut your natural test production down for life.

Steroids also cause abnormal nero transmission function and a whole slew of other problems. So whey the risks and do everything you can to prevent them when your run cycles. Know everything about what you are taking and what it can do. Then run something to help prevent its side effects. If its a oral steroid like dbol then run a liver support and lipid support sups. If its tren run something for your kidneys. So on and so forth.

Always stay safe.

 

[websy21]

Yes methylated compounds can be dangerous and should be respected. I think everyone should take this rick into consideration when taking steroids of any kind. dbol,anadrol,what ever. Oral mythelated steroids can have negative side effects. Tren can cause kidney failure and clen can cause heart attack. Any steroid can raise BP and cholesterol and as a result you can die. Any steroid can shut your natural test production down for life.

Steroids also cause abnormal nero transmission function and a whole slew of other problems. So whey the risks and do everything you can to prevent them when your run cycles. Know everything about what you are taking and what it can do. Then run something to help prevent its side effects. If its a oral steroid like dbol then run a liver support and lipid support sups. If its tren run something for your kidneys. So on and so forth.

Always stay safe.

Nice thread and great post as usual Needto! A good reminder to those out there that have taken it for granted and/or aren't aware. Ive had friends in the past run multiple cycles of M1T without liver care, pct, etc and get drunk regularly on it. I made them aware of what they were doing but thought I was being over cautious and didn't know anything. I stressed it multiple times but still wouldn't listen. I guess some people unfortunately have to learn the hard way. Its sad but a person can only do so much. If I am putting something into my body I research the shit out of it and make sure I've talked to somebody that has had direct experience with the product first. Even though I haven't really done much, besides the point. Stay safe and stay strong my friends if you have to run the gear!

 

[Fatboy1984]

m1t made me put on wait crazy fast at just 10mg ed i was doing 2-3 weeks on. But alot of it was sloppy weight. and i had way more sides taking the M1T than i did on AAS. Im not screwing around with M1T anymore. I felt like shit on it, and it shut me down harder than my sus/ deca cycle i just did.

 

[RagenMMA]

Yes methylated compounds can be dangerous and should be respected. I think everyone should take this rick into consideration when taking steroids of any kind. dbol,anadrol,what ever. Oral mythelated steroids can have negative side effects. Tren can cause kidney failure and clen can cause heart attack. Any steroid can raise BP and cholesterol and as a result you can die. Any steroid can shut your natural test production down for life.

Steroids also cause abnormal nero transmission function and a whole slew of other problems. So whey the risks and do everything you can to prevent them when your run cycles. Know everything about what you are taking and what it can do. Then run something to help prevent its side effects. If its a oral steroid like dbol then run a liver support and lipid support sups. If its tren run something for your kidneys. So on and so forth.

Always stay safe.

Well put. Glad somebody finally speaks out about AS. Sometimes our posts make it out to appear that nothing bad to you will happen as long as you take this or that. Bottom line - when you are using AS there will be sides and everybody reacts differently to different compounds. We aren't taking vitamin C pills here you know. I've had jaundice from Hepatitus B and it's not fun. If you like shitting what looks like clam chowder for 4 weeks and having the energy of an 90 year old man go for it. I take BP meds when i'm on and i've grown hair on my body.

 

[websy21]

m1t made me put on wait crazy fast at just 10mg ed i was doing 2-3 weeks on. But alot of it was sloppy weight. and i had way more sides taking the M1T than i did on AAS. Im not screwing around with M1T anymore. I felt like shit on it, and it shut me down harder than my sus/ deca cycle i just did.

Agreed

 

[rambleon]

Yes methylated compounds can be dangerous and should be respected. I think everyone should take this rick into consideration when taking steroids of any kind. dbol,anadrol,what ever. Oral mythelated steroids can have negative side effects. Tren can cause kidney failure and clen can cause heart attack. Any steroid can raise BP and cholesterol and as a result you can die. Any steroid can shut your natural test production down for life.

Steroids also cause abnormal nero transmission function and a whole slew of other problems. So whey the risks and do everything you can to prevent them when your run cycles. Know everything about what you are taking and what it can do. Then run something to help prevent its side effects. If its a oral steroid like dbol then run a liver support and lipid support sups. If its tren run something for your kidneys. So on and so forth.

Always stay safe.

Yes this is the bottom line. However this is also what the forum is all about no? The bros sticking together and helping each other do this as safely as possible. At least that is what I consider our mission here. Nobody carries out that mission better than you needto.

As far as prohormones are concerned i never tried them but I think that it stand to reason that if a compound is supposed to convert into a steroid inside the body, then that compound will carry both the risk of the steroid itself and whatever risk the conversion process will entail. E.g. increased stress on the liver.

Ramble

 

[eClenbuterol]

Sure prohormones are dangerous, steroids are dangerous, smoking is dangerous, drinking is dangerous, driving too fast is dangerous, using a cell phone is dangerous, taking aspirin is dangerous, and so on. Use in moderation, know the risks and never abuse, that's what I believe.

 

[Burpees]

Yes methylated compounds can be dangerous and should be respected. I think everyone should take this rick into consideration when taking steroids of any kind. dbol,anadrol,what ever. Oral mythelated steroids can have negative side effects. Tren can cause kidney failure and clen can cause heart attack. Any steroid can raise BP and cholesterol and as a result you can die. Any steroid can shut your natural test production down for life.

Steroids also cause abnormal nero transmission function and a whole slew of other problems. So whey the risks and do everything you can to prevent them when your run cycles. Know everything about what you are taking and what it can do. Then run something to help prevent its side effects. If its a oral steroid like dbol then run a liver support and lipid support sups. If its tren run something for your kidneys. So on and so forth.

Always stay safe.

trenebelone causes kidney failure?? woah!??

 

[needtogetaas]

trenebelone causes kidney failure?? woah!??

AAAHH yes it can. Is it remotely common? no but it can.

 

[RagenMMA]

AAAHH yes it can. Is it remotely common? no but it can.

That's why I run in no longer than 7 weeks and drink tons of water. I sometimes get back pumps on Tren and i'm worried it might be kidney pains instead. If having kidney problems doesn't bother you you should stop in to a dialysis center in your neighborhood and get the free tour. You will be anti-steroids in a NY second. As i say that i pop 2 proviron. lol

 

[goin on 4T]

I spent a lot of time in the dialsys room not for me but I was there 3 x week when in my 20's. Kidneys are pretty important things!

 

[dabuffguy]

Yes this is the bottom line. However this is also what the forum is all about no? The bros sticking together and helping each other do this as safely as possible. At least that is what I consider our mission here. Nobody carries out that mission better than you needto.

As far as prohormones are concerned i never tried them but I think that it stand to reason that if a compound is supposed to convert into a steroid inside the body, then that compound will carry both the risk of the steroid itself and whatever risk the conversion process will entail. E.g. increased stress on the liver.

Ramble

typically, yes the catalyst changes to take a pro-hormone to an active steroid compounds is going to bring a lot more shit to the table than an already active oral, well besides DHEA really.

But let's not mix Pro-hormone and designer steroids into the same category because they don't belong in this context. Not saying you are, but most people automatically assume legal=prohormone when that is not the case.

 

[eClenbuterol]

trenebelone causes kidney failure?? woah!??

If abused, yes. Even tylenol causes liver damage when abused.

If you take Tylenol for four days as directed you may be at risk of liver damage, says a new study. Tylenol has been on the market for decades. Previous studies had shown that Tylenol in combination with hydrocodone caused liver damage - experts had thought the liver toxicity was associated with hydrocodone. This new study clearly shows that the Tylenol poses the risk, rather than the hydrocodone.

Source: medical news today
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/46607.php

 

[websy21]

If abused, yes. Even tylenol causes liver damage when abused.



Source: medical news today

Damn, I should quit ripping rails of this shit! LOL Just kidding LOL

Funny how some people don't research something before they put it in there body.... why? I want to not only know the effects, etc but how to combat them and make it the safest, etc. Boggles my mind, some peoples kids out there.... LOL One bad cycle can leave negative effects on your body for the rest of your entire life if not done appropriately!

 

[iron irish]

what about Dieselbolan 2.0. also a prohormone but is this one likely to cause severe kidney or liver damage or is the risk low?

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

just like anything else if abused it can cause damage. Now taken the right liver care and proper cycle length you will be safe. The liver is the best at regeneration.

 

[iron irish]

right on thanks orbit.. what do you think would be the chances for any kind of gyno effects on the 2.0?

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

As with anything there is a chance to get gyno, however on the diesel 2.0 its very unlikely it will happen.

 

[needtogetaas]

That's why I run in no longer than 7 weeks and drink tons of water. I sometimes get back pumps on Tren and i'm worried it might be kidney pains instead. If having kidney problems doesn't bother you you should stop in to a dialysis center in your neighborhood and get the free tour. You will be anti-steroids in a NY second. As i say that i pop 2 proviron. lol

I used to clean the onje down in newburyport 3 times a week as a part time job at night. Fucking blood all over the place it was sick

 

[needtogetaas]

what about Dieselbolan 2.0. also a prohormone but is this one likely to cause severe kidney or liver damage or is the risk low?

tis not a pro hormone btw lololol


Deiselbolan 2.0 has both a progestrin(deca compound) and a dht (masterone/winny) compound. Sogther they work synergistic to enhance gains and lower sides. Less harsh on the liver then beast, less worry about gyno then the old deaselbolan and the combined effects of both. So its a bomb product to say the least.

Worried about kiver? take forged liver support through out the cycle.
Worried about gyno. Keep a bottle of formastane on hand get it from orbit. oral formastane is junk

 

[andrew732]

With strong pha, one MUST drink plenty of water, take in electrolytes throughout the day, realize that phs can cause quick imbalances of electroyltes which is why people get pumps, taurine is a nice way to help balance out electrolytes as well.

 

[iron irish]

Oh ok good info as always.. So you say oral formestane isnt good? I only saw oral stuff at orbit, unless I missed it?

 

[n87]

Primordial just released Oral Formestane LV, that supposedly is just as good as topical. From what I hear.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

Oh ok good info as always.. So you say oral formestane isnt good? I only saw oral stuff at orbit, unless I missed it?

Competitive Edge Labs Formestane Competitive Edge Labs Formestane [] - $36.95 : Orbit Nutrition

its a topical lotion.

 

[iron irish]

lol right onnnn, i did miss it.

ill probably get it just to have it on hand.. but probably unlikely i will need to use it